If feelings are...
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In scientific terms right, feelings are just chemical reactions right? So does that mean in future, if we want someone to love us, we just buy some medicine to tweak that our chemical within to react with the other person?
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there's no point in being human if tis is trueOriginally posted by Ayukat:In scientific terms right, feelings are just chemical reactions right? So does that mean in future, if we want someone to love us, we just buy some medicine to tweak that our chemical within to react with the other person? 
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what causes the chemical reactions...
buying a bunch of chemicals to tweak them, is for a while...
emotions keeps the brain going.. producing the chemicals.. -
possible, ever heard of happy drugs? those dat makes u fuzzy and nice and drowsy.. but long term feelings and emotions are harder to maintain.
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Sounds like some love potion no. 9.
If love can be compelled without a conscious choice from the subject, is it still love? -
the thing is you are gonna noe dat its drug induced. so you'll definitely feel not right about it and you will choose to reject the effects. i think MAY be possible, but i can imagine how hard it can get..Originally posted by Tuatau:Sounds like some love potion no. 9.
If love can be compelled without a conscious choice from the subject, is it still love? -
Originally posted by Ito_^:
Which begs the question: If the subject can choose to take the drug to receive its effects, why would he or she need to take the drug in the first place?
the thing is you are gonna noe dat its drug induced. so you'll definitely feel not right about it and you will choose to reject the effects. i think MAY be possible, but i can imagine how hard it can get..
Can love be induced? Can I say I want to love someone, but I need a drug to bring on the love? -
I dun mean tweak the other person... tweak urself. If u can get a strand of hair of that person, u should be able to anaylse the person's chemical perferrences, so u can tweak urs to suit her/him...Originally posted by Tuatau:Which begs the question: If the subject can choose to take the drug to receive its effects, why would he or she need to take the drug in the first place? -
suddenly, thoughts of Soma come up
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"love" itself is already an ambigous term.. shld i say.. induce the symptoms of love, but not the "romantic" idealogy of love. anyways, for yrself or others, its not guarantee people can face this issue with integrity.Originally posted by Tuatau:Which begs the question: If the subject can choose to take the drug to receive its effects, why would he or she need to take the drug in the first place?
Can love be induced? Can I say I want to love someone, but I need a drug to bring on the love? -
than why not tweak the other person to suit your own chemical preferences and make them believe that they truely love you?Originally posted by Ayukat:I dun mean tweak the other person... tweak urself. If u can get a strand of hair of that person, u should be able to anaylse the person's chemical perferrences, so u can tweak urs to suit her/him... -
Originally posted by Ayukat:
Ah, let's see if I've got this right. Imagine you like someone. You want the subject of your affections to like you as well. So you use the subject's body part to analyse his or her preferences of a mate. And the drug... you administer the drug on the subject to change the preferences? Or you administer the drug on yourself to change your appearances and behaviour?
I dun mean tweak the other person... tweak urself. If u can get a strand of hair of that person, u should be able to anaylse the person's chemical perferrences, so u can tweak urs to suit her/him...
If you are thinking about changing yourself to suit the other person, isn't that what a lot of people are already doing now, desperately trying to fit in the ideal description their partners are expecting from them? Is it really worth losing your own identity to gain the love of another? -
i dun think he meant a complete makeover, just so he can understand her mood better. so when she feels upset he will know what to do. rather than taking years of trial and error, might as well put in some drugs?Originally posted by Tuatau:Ah, let's see if I've got this right. Imagine you like someone. You want the subject of your affections to like you as well. So you use the subject's body part to analyse his or her preferences of a mate. And the drug... you administer the drug on the subject to change the preferences? Or you administer the drug on yourself to change your appearances and behaviour?
If you are thinking about changing yourself to suit the other person, isn't that what a lot of people are already doing now, desperately trying to fit in the ideal description their partners are expecting from them? Is it really worth losing your own identity to gain the love of another? -
i wanna know how doping yourself is going to make her happier?Originally posted by Ito_^:i dun think he meant a complete makeover, just so he can understand her mood better. so when she feels upset he will know what to do. rather than taking years of trial and error, might as well put in some drugs?
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sorry to burst your bubbles guys, but feelings and love especially are much much more than chemicals. the one chemical most commonly associated to love would be oxytocin...but that gives a feeling of infatuation. its produced at the start of relationships...the whirlwind romance part. after that, different chemicals are produced, but they seem more of a marker or indication of where the relationship is heading, more than anything.
i doubt it that feelings would be as simple as we think it is, just electrical brain waves and chemicals. alot of it is over simplified, leading us to think that such chemical tweaking is possible when it truly is still quite far from inception. also, the hair starnd thing to analyse chemical patterns of people? you need a huge amount that has not been cleared up to know what "feelings" a person has. a lot of these feeling hormones are cleared up after they've had their desired effect. really a combination of nervous, endocrine and advanced brain activity than simply chemicals. also, the body has natural limits for different hormones, like feel good dopamine and serotonin. too much, and production will stop, coupled with a huge clean up operation in for that hormone in question. all to do with the body's natural regulation system.
so for now, i guess its safe to say that we cant really play God in this area yet, can we. the future is a lot brighter than we make it out to be...
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Originally posted by the Bear:i wanna know how doping yourself is going to make her happier? no idea, dats why its so dammm hard. im not gonna do dat for sure, but i might do the opposite on impulse.
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True Love is weird... I mean TRUE love without condition... when looks, money character does not matter at all. How does this happen? Its when the internal chemical of 2 person fits like a jigsaw puzzle. So if u can tweak ur chemical to fit the other person, "true" love can be created.
Chaning urself physical and mentally without such drugs do not change the fact that the chemical produced inside you is still not compaticble with the other pary. -
ya and the world was a paper plate... just this part.. if can we, the world is a lot brigter than we make it out to be.. if we could actually do it, the world will be brighter?Originally posted by Othello_Red:can we. the future is a lot brighter than we make it out to be... 
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maybe if she doesn't like you, doping yourself with arsenic may make her happier?
people ought to stop looking for happiness and love in a bottleOriginally posted by Ito_^: no idea, dats why its so dammm hard. im not gonna do dat for sure, but i might do the opposite on impulse. -
Originally posted by Ito_^:
Of course, I agree different people would have different definitions of love.
"love" itself is already an ambigous term.. shld i say.. induce the symptoms of love, but not the "romantic" idealogy of love. anyways, for yrself or others, its not guarantee people can face this issue with integrity.
Yes, the biochemical effects of love can be induced, but is only manifested on the body as physical actions like sex. Huxley's "A Brave New World" has touched on a similar subject. Like what you said, there is no "romantic" ideology of love, no spiritual aspect of the relationship as we know it. It's purely the physical manifestations of love that the drug can bring about.
However, that brings us back to my original question: Can such an effect brought about the drug still be considered as love? If we require drugs to bring about and/or sustain the relationship we have with another person, can it still be love, according to your definition of love? -
Does it matter, as long as u get wat u want and she loves u back?Originally posted by Tuatau:Of course, I agree different people would have different definitions of love.
Yes, the biochemical effects of love can be induced, but is only manifested on the body as physical actions like sex. Huxley's "A Brave New World" has touched on a similar subject. Like what you said, there is no "romantic" ideology of love, no spiritual aspect of the relationship as we know it. It's purely the physical manifestations of love that the drug can bring about.
However, that brings us back to my original question: Can such an effect brought about the drug still be considered as love? If we require drugs to bring about and/or sustain the relationship we have with another person, can it still be love, according to your definition of love? -
my definition har.. nope. cuz its depandent on an direct external influence, it feels like an arranged marriaged which your families would like to see and would benefit both parties.Originally posted by Tuatau:Of course, I agree different people would have different definitions of love.
Yes, the biochemical effects of love can be induced, but is only manifested on the body as physical actions like sex. Huxley's "A Brave New World" has touched on a similar subject. Like what you said, there is no "romantic" ideology of love, no spiritual aspect of the relationship as we know it. It's purely the physical manifestations of love that the drug can bring about.
However, that brings us back to my original question: Can such an effect brought about the drug still be considered as love? If we require drugs to bring about and/or sustain the relationship we have with another person, can it still be love, according to your definition of love?
not that we can do anything much if society goes this way. i can't even definite love with confidence, so my definition of love isn't important in this matter. -
the ends does not justify the means...
she is by my side because she wants to be by my side and chose to be... not because she was doped into it...
that would be getting a puppet, a zombie or a doll..
you want a doll?
not me..Originally posted by Ayukat:Does it matter, as long as u get wat u want she loves u back? -
Wats the difference? She will still feel she wants to be by ur side.Originally posted by the Bear:the ends does not justify the means...
she is by my side because she wants to be by my side and chose to be... not because she was doped into it...
that would be getting a puppet, a zombie or a doll..
you want a doll?
not me.. -
dats why we can't say everyone is wrong. everyone have different opinions and places their priorities themselves. wus more important imo is the right for an individual to choose their choices themselves, and not forced by others.Originally posted by the Bear:the ends does not justify the means...
she is by my side because she wants to be by my side and chose to be... not because she was doped into it...
that would be getting a puppet, a zombie or a doll..
you want a doll?
not me..
thats what i was more worried of if someone decides to drug another person to love him or her. like the movie.