If feelings are...

• the Bear

  23 May 05, 01:12

  if you have to ask, you'll never know...
  
  hint: do you want to be doped into being the lover of someone whom, without drugs, you would not give the time of day to?
  
  

  Originally posted by Ayukat:

  Wats the difference? She will still feel she wants to be by ur side.

• Tuatau

  23 May 05, 01:14

  Originally posted by Ayukat:
  Does it matter, as long as u get wat u want she loves u back?

  If she has to take drugs to love you back, can you be happy with her love? What if one day you want to make out, and she says, "Wait... I need my medication if not I can never force myself to have sex with you"?
• Ayukat

  23 May 05, 01:14

  Originally posted by Ito_^:

  dats why we can't say everyone is wrong. everyone have different opinions and places their priorities themselves. wus more important imo is the right for an individual to choose their choices themselves, and not forced by others.
  
  thats what i was more worried of if someone decides to drug another person to love him or her. like the movie.

  However, I am toking about tweaking ur system to make the person like u... not tweak hers to make her like u.
  
  Technically, U r only changing urself to make her like u lye wat most people are doing. But tis change is internal and chemically which means it will work most or all of the time.
• Ito_^

  23 May 05, 01:16

  Originally posted by the Bear:

  if you have to ask, you'll never know...
  
  hint: do you want to be doped into being the lover of someone whom, without drugs, you would not give the time of day to?
  
  

  oh how about for refinement? i mean there are couples who obviously love each other but just can't get along or something? at least they don't have to burn any scented oils to get into the mood.
• Ayukat

  23 May 05, 01:16

  Originally posted by Tuatau:

  If she has to take drugs to love you back, can you be happy with her love? What if one day you want to make out, and she says, "Wait... I need my medication if not I can never force myself to have sex with you"?

  Erm, I mean tweak urself...not hers...
• Ito_^

  23 May 05, 01:17

  Originally posted by Ayukat:

  However, I am toking about tweaking ur system to make the person like u... not tweak hers to make her like u.
  
  Technically, U r only changing urself to make her like u lye wat most people are doing. But tis change is internal and chemically which means it will work most or all of the time.

  technology are bound to be abused.
• the Bear

  23 May 05, 01:17

  again, it's just hiding problems that will blow up one day
  
  

  Originally posted by Ito_^:

  oh how about for refinement? i mean there are couples who obviously love each other but just can't get along or something? at least they don't have to burn any scented oils to get into the mood.

• sleepycat

  23 May 05, 01:21

  Originally posted by Ayukat:

  Erm, I mean tweak urself...not hers...

  tweaking yours or hers aside, are we talking about obsession / addiction or an ambition?
  
  These... are different from the amazing fuzziness one affectionately calls love.
  
  
• Ayukat

  23 May 05, 01:22

  Originally posted by sleepycat:

  tweaking yours or hers aside, are we talking about obsession / addiction or an ambition?
  
  These... are different from the amazing fuzziness one affectionately calls love.
  
  

  I see no difference... How is this different from dolling urself up to make the one u like, like u back, except that this change is guranteed to product results?
• Ito_^

  23 May 05, 01:24

  Originally posted by sleepycat:

  tweaking yours or hers aside, are we talking about obsession / addiction or an ambition?
  
  These... are different from the amazing fuzziness one affectionately calls love.
  
  

  like scented candles? is it an obsession or addiction?
• the Bear

  23 May 05, 01:26

  we tried to explain but you did not understand..
  
  what you want is not a relationship... what you want is a robot.. or a prostitute..
  
  

  Originally posted by Ayukat:

  I see no difference... How is this different from dolling urself up to make the one u like, like u back, except that this change is guranteed to product results?

• Ayukat

  23 May 05, 01:27

  Originally posted by the Bear:

  we tried to explain but you did not understand..
  
  what you want is not a relationship... what you want is a robot.. or a prostitute..
  
  

  Does it matter? She'll love u back all the same like normal couples.
• the Bear

  23 May 05, 01:28

  c'mon.. scented candles just add to something the couple already wanna do
  
  

  Originally posted by Ito_^:

  like scented candles? is it an obsession or addiction?

• Ayukat

  23 May 05, 01:29

  What the heck, till now, I dun even see why stealing is wrong? It doesn't hurt anybody. Can't everybody just take everything and anything they want? Won't this make the world wonderful?
• Tuatau

  23 May 05, 01:30

  Originally posted by Ayukat:
  Erm, I mean tweak urself...not hers...

  So you mean if I want the girl to like me, I take the drug, right?
  
  It still doesn't solve the problem. The drug is "tweaking" me into an image that the girl wants to love, but that image is not me, not the original me. While the effects of the drug last, she loves me. Once the effects are gone, she loves me not. How can that be love?
  
  An analogy. If a girl loves a guy when he is rich and ditches him when he is poor, can you say that the girl loved the guy? Or did she just love his money?
• the Bear

  23 May 05, 01:30

  i guess you see no point in dignity, in humanity, respect or in life itself?
  
  then what the heck do you think love is??
• ditzy

  23 May 05, 01:31

  Hmmm, interesting, I'll read it at breakfast.
• Ayukat

  23 May 05, 01:31

  Originally posted by Tuatau:

  So you mean if I want the girl to like me, I take the drug, right?
  
  It still doesn't solve the problem. The drug is "tweaking" me into an image that the girl wants to love, but that image is not me, not the original me. While the effects of the drug last, she loves me. Once the effects are gone, she loves me not. How can that be love?
  
  An analogy. If a girl loves a guy when he is rich and ditches him when he is poor, can you say that the girl loved the guy? Or did she just love his money?

  Simple, make the drug permenant then... or just take the drug long enough till u confirm u already got her over to ur side and she can't run away anymore..ahem*Kids/Married*ahem...
• Ito_^

  23 May 05, 01:32

  Originally posted by the Bear:

  we tried to explain but you did not understand..
  
  what you want is not a relationship... what you want is a robot.. or a prostitute..
  
  

  he meant, changing himself for his loved ones.. not brainwashing others. but i think thats abit too extreme too, as in changing oneself completely for others, but i think its not what his intentions are either.. self-brainwashing.
  
  edit: ok, he meant self-brainwashing. NO WAY!
  
  i meant..
  1. the possibility to abuse such a product or technology. changing it even. so must be aware..
  2. i would imagine its alright for small refinements or as casual as scented candles so the couple can "feel" for each other emotionally. but not long term of course. face it, most couples aren't exactly picturing the perfect romance from novels and movies. its important for a lil perks from time to time, perhaps this can be the next generation of such tools?
• Ayukat

  23 May 05, 01:33

  Originally posted by the Bear:

  i guess you see no point in dignity, in humanity, respect or in life itself?
  
  then what the heck do you think love is??

  Dignity, humanity, respect? Wat the hell r all these 4 when people keep preaching about equality?
• sleepycat

  23 May 05, 01:33

  Originally posted by Ayukat:

  I see no difference... How is this different from dolling urself up to make the one u like, like u back, except that this change is guranteed to product results?

  .. i'm in no position to deem your equation of obsession/ambition with love as warped but experiences doubled with close studies of such view will inevitably lead to delusion / dissatisfaction / destruction, if one is unfortunate. In worse scenario, the object is hurt irrevocably with the subject.
  
  should u impede or take away the free will to choose and turn it into programmed codes, u take the divinity out of love and search your feelings, if you will, do you still call it love?
  
  doing things in the name of love doesn't justify everything.
  
  moreover, let's not further give love a bad name esp. in this day & age?
  
  i see deep pain in your posts.
  
  i am no Yoda but override it, you will.. change it, you can't.
  
  
• the Bear

  23 May 05, 01:34

  don't think so.. he wants a magic potion..
  
  oh.. "feel" there's pheremones
  
  but they only work when the couple actually feels for each other
  
  

  Originally posted by Ito_^:

  he meant, changing himself for his loved ones.. not brainwashing others. but i think thats abit too extreme too, as in changing oneself completely for others, but i think its not what his intentions are either.. self-brainwashing.
  
  i meant..
  1. the possibility to abuse such a product or technology. changing it even. so must be aware..
  2. i would imagine its alright for small refinements or as casual as scented candles so the couple can "feel" for each other emotionally. but not long term of course. face it, most couples aren't exactly picturing the perfect romance from novels and movies.

• Ayukat

  23 May 05, 01:37

  Put it this way, people are thinking this is wrong because they grew up with people teaching them correct values.
  
  BUT...
  
  If we live in a world where... for eg... people are taught stealing is a correct value, and one day we tell them not to steal, they will think not stealing is wrong right?
  
  
• Ito_^

  23 May 05, 01:37

  Originally posted by the Bear:

  don't think so.. he wants a magic potion..
  
  oh.. "feel" there's pheremones
  
  but they only work when the couple actually feels for each other
  
  

  i see what you meant now. he meant self-brainwashing, i disagree to that too. and yes, in ideal situations but abuse is always possible..
• Tuatau

  23 May 05, 01:38

  Originally posted by Ayukat:
  What the heck, till now, I dun even see why stealing is wrong? It doesn't hurt anybody. Can't everybody just take everything and anything they want? Won't this make the world wonderful?

  If we place no value on our possessions, then the act of stealing is no crime.
  
  However, the motive of stealing is mostly greed, which stems from the desire to gain more possessions. And since possessions now have a value, the act of stealing becomes a crime.
  
  Put it this way: The thief who steals, would he want his belongings to be stolen from too? If he thinks others stealing from him is wrong, then he should not expect others to accept he stealing from them as right.