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Just steal back lor...Originally posted by Tuatau:If we place no value on our possessions, then the act of stealing is no crime.
However, the motive of stealing is mostly greed, which stems from the desire to gain more possessions. And since possessions now have a value, the act of stealing becomes a crime.
Put it this way: The thief who steals, would he want his belongings to be stolen from too? If he thinks others stealing from him is wrong, then he should not expect others to accept he stealing from them as right. -
true, but so far we are all taught those accepted values. its nothing right or wrong, but what we accept as. you can't change us into your version of love either can you?Originally posted by Ayukat:Put it this way, people are thinking this is wrong because they grew up with people teaching them correct values.
BUT...
If we live in a world where... for eg... people are taught stealing is a correct value, and one day we tell them not to steal, they will think not stealing is wrong right?
so forth and on, this will go on forever. -
you're right here. our code of ethics and morals actually come from a lot of input from us. we actually have 2 genral codes of morals, one is called utilitarian and i forgot the name of the other. but neither is right, nor wrong as they are made by us for us.Originally posted by Ayukat:Put it this way, people are thinking this is wrong because they grew up with people teaching them correct values.
BUT...
If we live in a world where... for eg... people are taught stealing is a correct value, and one day we tell them not to steal, they will think not stealing is wrong right? -
so, if it was the convention that it's not wrong to murder people, i can murder you?
you'd not resist?
would the world keeping mum about it, make it any less wrong?Originally posted by Ayukat:Put it this way, people are thinking this is wrong because they grew up with people teaching them correct values.
BUT...
If we live in a world where... for eg... people are taught stealing is a correct value, and one day we tell them not to steal, they will think not stealing is wrong right? -
Originally posted by Ayukat:
Are you sure she can't run away even after she has married you and has had kids with you?
Simple, make the drug permenant then... or just take the drug long enough till u confirm u already got her over to ur side and she can't run away anymore..ahem*Kids/Married*ahem... -
why is it i'm thinking, ayukat would fit right in the world as described by Aldous Huxley?
that in itself is scary... -
I actually wanted to quote murder in my example... but murder hurts someone physically and hurt is a feeling of uncomfortable and murder leads to the end of the person's existance. So in my context, hurting someone is wrong, its never going to be correct, no matter wat kind of values is instilled in people. People have to right to choose to live....Originally posted by the Bear:so, if it was the convention that it's not wrong to murder people, i can murder you?
you'd not resist?
would the world keeping mum about it, make it any less wrong?
Of course, u would argue people would have the right to choose to love too? But how it is changing to suit a person not love? As long as he loves u and u loves him back whole heartedly...thats all thats matters. -
The drugs may have worn off... but dun 4get the happy memories are still there.Originally posted by Tuatau:Are you sure she can't run away even after she has married you and has had kids with you? -
Originally posted by Othello_Red:
The other school of thought is egoism.
you're right here. our code of ethics and morals actually come from a lot of input from us. we actually have 2 genral codes of morals, one is called utilitarian and i forgot the name of the other. but neither is right, nor wrong as they are made by us for us. -
Originally posted by Ayukat:
Happy memories induced by drugs? Isn't that self-delusion?
The drugs may have worn off... but dun 4get the happy memories are still there. -
The 2 main codes of moral reasoning are:
Kantian
Pure reason could lead us to moral truths. Puts whats right before whats good.
This modern theory was derived by Immanuel Kant.
Utilitarianism
The rules of right and wrong should above all else acheiev the greatest good for the greatest number of people, even though paticular individuals may be worse off as an effect. Puts whats good before whats right.
This modern theory was derived by John Stuart Mill. -
Originally posted by Othello_Red:
I stand corrected.
The 2 main codes of moral reasoning are:
Kantian
Pure reason could lead us to moral truths. Puts whats right before whats good.
This modern theory was derived by Immanuel Kant.
Utilitarianism
The rules of right and wrong should above all else acheiev the greatest good for the greatest number of people, even though paticular individuals may be worse off as an effect. Puts whats good before whats right.
This modern theory was derived by John Stuart Mill.
Why would you say that both are neither right nor wrong? Isn't Kant supposed to be right since his theory is based upon what is universally "right"? -
End of the day it is up to an individual to decide which code of morals to follow. We are quite usually a mixture of both, rarely have there been people who have followed one code of morals. Kantian is more pre-dominat perhaps because scientist believe that a code of morals identified by Kant is wired into our systems through evolution. In the end though...its a never ending argument.