How does PRC who cant talk proper english......
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EDIT: nvm
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I beg to differ. I believe a major part of education is to bring out the full potential of a mind, be it great or not is not the issue. I also believe that education is supposed to teach you principles and skills so that you can translate your ideas into messages for recipients.Originally posted by CoolMyth:They have great minds, just that they cannot speak English.
Even US students are saying that, it's the same thing here....education is not all about being able to speak proper English, but having great minds.
The most powerful weapon in the world is useless if you do not know how to fire it.
Plus in my opinion, the crucial part of presentations to get company contracts are done verbally, seldom will a client read through your entire report no matter how wonderful one might think it to be.
I once saw this sentence taped to my aunt's wall in her home. "You must first be educated so that people will not look down on you, and then educated further so you will not look down on people."
Perhaps irrelevant here, but..I think it holds a lesson for quite a lot of people, inclusive of myself.
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no lar..Originally posted by iveco:Meaning we should teach mathematics using Chinese or worse, adapt the PRCs' teching material for our use? Our kids have already lost much of their childhood no thanks to the PRC invasion of local schools. Don't let them lose the last vestiges of childhood. They'll turn into zombies for sure.
just wanna prove a point.. they are just not as good as maj of the local students when it comes to the english language.
but heck. a rather big percentage speaks as poorly, or even worse >.< -
ever been to a local primary school lately?
they even dare to fight with the teachers without thinking.
Teachers cannot even scold them if they never do homework.
come on lar
lost of childhood? kidding me rite? -
those PRC students might not be able to speak English nicely and Fluently, but try talking to them on MSN, you will be surprise at their English standard, so much so that i use mandrine to talk to my ex-classmate from PRC, and English on MSN, they have much Sharper mind then us, and yes, their math is God-like, althou there is a few singaporean that is above those standard, but generally their math is much above our standard, which makes them excel in Engineering course
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ya lor.. my maths sucks big timeOriginally posted by snk86:those PRC students might not be able to speak English nicely and Fluently, but try talking to them on MSN, you will be surprise at their English standard, so much so that i use mandrine to talk to my ex-classmate from PRC, and English on MSN, they have much Sharper mind then us, and yes, their math is God-like, althou there is a few singaporean that is above those standard, but generally their math is much above our standard, which makes them excel in Engineering course
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I studied with them before. And I was surprised that even though they can't speak well, their command of English of reading and writing Essays are quite good.
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Verdict:
About A GaL doesn't know squat. -
does he know what is a Mothballz.
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their math and sciences are GODLIKE!! just because they are not good at one thing, doesn't make them worthless, especially if they can excel in so many other areas that we can't.
but not all of em lar. dun be so they and us and they and us like they are aliens from some other planets. humans too right. -
one of the top 'a' levels students this year was a mainland chinese. she can hardly understand the lessons taught in english. she came to singapore equipped with only pronounciation knowledge of A-Z. but within a year or two she beat most, if not all the students island wide.
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BCOS....PO LAN PA
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lolx, an inspiration for most students...foreigner or not.Originally posted by dragg:one of the top 'a' levels students this year was a mainland chinese. she can hardly understand the lessons taught in english. she came to singapore equipped with only pronounciation knowledge of A-Z. but within a year or two she beat most, if not all the students island wide. -
according to ppl in china, only those who study very well get the chance to come to singapore to study, it seems that you see a lot of them in sg, but that's one in a thousands chance for students in china(maybe some of them who are rich like hell can get the chance by other means).
sg govt only "import" the best. they will come here to study and sign contract that they will work in sg for a few years after they graduate. And most likely they will stay and become PR for the following reasons.
1. the salary they get in sg is a few times more than in china.
2. At this age they may already have a stable gf/bf, so probaly they will get married here.
3. After working a few yrs(they must work a few yrs bcos of the contract) in a company, they may have gain some position which they may not want to give up and go back china start again.
4. After so many yrs living in sg studying and working, they already get used to the life here, and the homesick feeling not so strong already.
For english standards, they have to pass TOFEL in china before going to english speaking countries for studies. This exam is mostly on grammar, listening comprehension, etc. So they may speak very bad english, but they can at least understand the books and wat the lecturer says. -
Are you sure about that? All the Chinese classmates I know say the government tries to keep the best students in the country for their Beijing University and such. Maybe there's some exceptions here and there.Originally posted by mochou:according to ppl in china, only those who study very well get the chance to come to singapore to study, it seems that you see a lot of them in sg, but that's one in a thousands chance for students in china(maybe some of them who are rich like hell can get the chance by other means).
sg govt only "import" the best. they will come here to study and sign contract that they will work in sg for a few years after they graduate. And most likely they will stay and become PR for the following reasons.
1. the salary they get in sg is a few times more than in china.
2. At this age they may already have a stable gf/bf, so probaly they will get married here.
3. After working a few yrs(they must work a few yrs bcos of the contract) in a company, they may have gain some position which they may not want to give up and go back china start again.
4. After so many yrs living in sg studying and working, they already get used to the life here, and the homesick feeling not so strong already.
For english standards, they have to pass TOFEL in china before going to english speaking countries for studies. This exam is mostly on grammar, listening comprehension, etc. So they may speak very bad english, but they can at least understand the books and wat the lecturer says.
I took TOEFL before. It's not a demanding test. Neither is IELTS from what I heard of it. The Chinese students in my school have to take the IELTS before they go to Australia and many of them signed up for courses helping them pass.
This is how the course is structured:
They give you the answers, no questions (You can't predict which questions you'll be asked to answer, but they figure you can memorize all the answers to the questions asked in the past so you memorize them all)
During the exam, you vomit the answers.
If you fail the exam, you can retake the course for free until you manage to regurgitate the correct answers and pass.
To me, that's like telling someone who has never seen any plant life and telling him/her to remember "Apple, Orange, Durian, Tree"
What if the question is, "What is not a fruit?"
A) Apple
B) Orange
C) Tree
D) Durian
From my experience, the PRC citizens can really do a good job knowing the whole text inside out but when it comes to hands on or practical it's not as smooth flowing. There are exceptions though, but in my situation it is not as common.
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Not really. Based on conversations with some China students I had, they are the normal bunch of their cohort. Not the real "Sen Tong".Originally posted by mochou:according to ppl in china, only those who study very well get the chance to come to singapore to study, it seems that you see a lot of them in sg, but that's one in a thousands chance for students in china(maybe some of them who are rich like hell can get the chance by other means).
sg govt only "import" the best. they will come here to study and sign contract that they will work in sg for a few years after they graduate. And most likely they will stay and become PR for the following reasons.
All the "Sen Tong" are mostly in China or US studying. The ones that come to Singapore are the "normal" ones....
So, imagine, if we are treating the "normal" ones as Gods (I myself acknowledged some of them are damn good), think of the real deal.... Scccarrryyy..... -
I am one of those shen tongs lor
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we must remember that just 1% of talented mainland chinese is enough to beat us.
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if u ask me, most singaporeans' command of English is not that good either, be it spoken or written.
so please do not look down on other people. we must all learn to be humble and understanding. help them in areas they are weak in, not criticise them or make fun of them. -
Can you "ki dang" and give me 4 digits?Originally posted by the.raven:I am one of those shen tongs lor -
I don't mind helping them, but not to the point of strengthening them over ourselves.Originally posted by Gordonator:so please do not look down on other people. we must all learn to be humble and understanding. help them in areas they are weak in, not criticise them or make fun of them.