jObLeSs !!!!!
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sonicworld, just curious ..why did u quit your job?
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if you are above 30 then it is difficult, otherwise enjoy your short period of rest.Originally posted by sonicworld76:Yup u r right, most of them wan fresh grad gals and pay them very low ....
No i dun know him at all ....
Hoping for the best ...... All the best to us
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Company n Boss - s u c k ......Originally posted by timble:sonicworld, just curious ..why did u quit your job? -
My take on jobs is how difficult that job task is. For some job task if it can be easily done by ppl then employer sure wan give lowest money to employ staff. I have seen some so call Uni graduates in my company whose task can be easily done by a person of diploma and ite. So tat U graduate lost his/her competitive edge. Why pay Uni pay scale when a poly pay scale can do the same job at cheaper rate rite?
Moral of story: Make sure the tasks you do are not so easily to be replaced or learned by others to safe guard your rice bowl in company -
not a very nice idea if your working for some big MNC.they frown on such behaviour and don't hesistate to fire the employee in question ..Originally posted by makiko:this is to tell u that dun resign if u haven't find a job yet -
it is not always true. i was with my company for 9 years when i quitted. to date they have yet to find someone to fill my position. when i resigned then the management couldnt even be bothered to dissuade me. i heard from my former HR manager that they have employed many young poly grads for my position but none has chosen to stay.Originally posted by sohguanh:My take on jobs is how difficult that job task is. For some job task if it can be easily done by ppl then employer sure wan give lowest money to employ staff. I have seen some so call Uni graduates in my company whose task can be easily done by a person of diploma and ite. So tat U graduate lost his/her competitive edge. Why pay Uni pay scale when a poly pay scale can do the same job at cheaper rate rite?
Moral of story: Make sure the tasks you do are not so easily to be replaced or learned by others to safe guard your rice bowl in company -
i'm working in MNC now, n many of my colleagues did that. wat is the prob??Originally posted by one-niner:not a very nice idea if your working for some big MNC.they frown on such behaviour and don't hesistate to fire the employee in question .. -
Yes i agree with dragg. Not everyone can do it .....Originally posted by dragg:it is not always true. i was with my company for 9 years when i quitted. to date they have yet to find someone to fill my position. when i resigned then the management couldnt even be bothered to dissuade me. i heard from my former HR manager that they have employed many young poly grads for my position but none has chosen to stay. -
Is there any industry that is not easily replacable?Originally posted by sohguanh:My take on jobs is how difficult that job task is. For some job task if it can be easily done by ppl then employer sure wan give lowest money to employ staff. I have seen some so call Uni graduates in my company whose task can be easily done by a person of diploma and ite. So tat U graduate lost his/her competitive edge. Why pay Uni pay scale when a poly pay scale can do the same job at cheaper rate rite?
Moral of story: Make sure the tasks you do are not so easily to be replaced or learned by others to safe guard your rice bowl in company
I have been thinking abt job security. Like dragg.. I need security...:I But looking at the changes over the past few years, nothing is secure. Everyone is dispensible. Outsourcing is so common. :I -
u spell my name wrongly.. i like pple to spell my name in fullOriginally posted by sonicworld76:Thks Sonwboy .....
No way for me to sign on ......
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i pity the next generation. at the rate we are going it will be more and more tough to get a job, let alone keep one.Originally posted by timble:Is there any industry that is not easily replacable?
I have been thinking abt job security. Like dragg.. I need security...:I But looking at the changes over the past few years, nothing is secure. Everyone is dispensible. Outsourcing is so common. :I -
So let us hope for the Best to come ........Originally posted by dragg:i pity the next generation. at the rate we are going it will be more and more tough to get a job, let alone keep one. -
Everyone is dispensible. Outsourcing is so common. :I
I think one basic rule to determine whether to outsource is look at cost. If a own company employee can help to deliver the company needs at a fraction of the cost outsourced companies demand then it make money sense not to outsource but to rely on in-house employees rite? As long as a task can be done at a cheaper cost employers will take them. Aint tat the same as we customers always source for the cheapest bargain? Business is likewise? -
Originally posted by sohguanh:
Yes of cos, most of the employer will go for the low cost employee right now. but dun forget not all of them can do the job they want them to do.
[b] Everyone is dispensible. Outsourcing is so common. :I
I think one basic rule to determine whether to outsource is look at cost. If a own company employee can help to deliver the company needs at a fraction of the cost outsourced companies demand then it make money sense not to outsource but to rely on in-house employees rite? As long as a task can be done at a cheaper cost employers will take them. Aint tat the same as we customers always source for the cheapest bargain? Business is likewise? [/b] -
really depends on the industry u tryin to work in.
like i work in the media industry, sibeh small market, u seemed to know everybody else in the circle. the smaller it is the harder it is to find a decent job.
if u wreck your name or reputation, thats it u liao liao...
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the problem is employers dont care how work is done and who is doing it as long as it is doneOriginally posted by sonicworld76:Yes of cos, most of the employer will go for the low cost employee right now. but dun forget not all of them can do the job they want them to do. -
Nowadays Employers s u c kOriginally posted by dragg:the problem is employers dont care how work is done and who is doing it as long as it is done
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Yes of cos, most of the employer will go for the low cost employee right now. but dun forget not all of them can do the job they want them to do.
If an in-house employee cannot do the job employer want them to do then employer every month feed the employee money for wat? Feed them to do nothing? Feed them to help co-ordinate with outsourced vendor which implies pay one salary to in-house employee and one much bigger sum to vendor wow... so lugi leh......Hmmmm.... muz be a very rich company indeed -
Originally posted by sohguanh:
Agreed that we are all looking for lowest costs. But organizations are different from consumers.
[b] Everyone is dispensible. Outsourcing is so common. :I
I think one basic rule to determine whether to outsource is look at cost. If a own company employee can help to deliver the company needs at a fraction of the cost outsourced companies demand then it make money sense not to outsource but to rely on in-house employees rite? As long as a task can be done at a cheaper cost employers will take them. Aint tat the same as we customers always source for the cheapest bargain? Business is likewise? [/b]
There are certain learnings that organizations need to keep and maintain. Outsourcing, if determined by cost, might not do much good. For instance, IT, some companies left everything to the outsourcing company. (e.g. inventory control, licensing etc). At the end of the day, the outsourcing company(if unprofessional) will not be bothered with the up keeping of records. Same for marketing. If the task is entirely outsourced for a certain period, each vendor advises differently. Eventually a company would be experiencing lots of changes but where is it heading?
Having a hard time managing vendors because they keep charging at every small thing. Also, they tend not to spend time understanding business objectives but have the do-and go attitude. They dun really care if they have made a mess out of it while the one managing them would have to pick the bits and pieces... shang nao jing
Which jobs are indispensible?
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IMO ... if you are above 35 and pay is above 3k and you are a generalist, you are a liabiltiy to your compnay...unless you have strong link with management and a list of clientel support ...you are excess fat to them
If you are the employer you will say y dun I just employ a typical young fresh grad and pay him 1.3 K since he can do the job as well and demand less
...with all teh Msian,Indian, chinese flooding in... our government are grooming these FT with our money in poly and Uni. Remember some time ago one chinese student wrote an article insulting our garment for being so stupid... -
there is only one type of position that is indispensible in singapore.Originally posted by timble:Agreed that we are all looking for lowest costs. But organizations are different from consumers.
There are certain learnings that organizations need to keep and maintain. Outsourcing, if determined by cost, might not do much good. For instance, IT, some companies left everything to the outsourcing company. (e.g. inventory control, licensing etc). At the end of the day, the outsourcing company(if unprofessional) will not be bothered with the up keeping of records. Same for marketing. If the task is entirely outsourced for a certain period, each vendor advises differently. Eventually a company would be experiencing lots of changes but where is it heading?
Having a hard time managing vendors because they keep charging at every small thing. Also, they tend not to spend time understanding business objectives but have the do-and go attitude. They dun really care if they have made a mess out of it while the one managing them would have to pick the bits and pieces... shang nao jing
Which jobs are indispensible? -
Having a hard time managing vendors because they keep charging at every small thing. Also, they tend not to spend time understanding business objectives but have the do-and go attitude. They dun really care if they have made a mess out of it while the one managing them would have to pick the bits and pieces... shang nao jing
Hahhahaa.... now companies tat outsource feel the pain already huh? Correct. Charge for all changes hahahaha...... maybe it is better to get a talented employee then do outsourcing but the problem faced by employers is how to land that so called talented employee? Nowadays vendor try to keep their best to their side henceby deprive other companies and then they LL have to engage the vendor to do the job for them
It is the employees that make a company. Company alone without talent is nothing..... tat is why there is talent scouting going on throughout all industries.... heard M$ has a fulltime job just to do talent scouting and then lure those potential employee of their current employer and join the redmond gang hahaha -
LKY or president
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Originally posted by makiko:LKY or president
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the ministers.
they wont be outsourced.
they wont be retrenched.
they pay themselves big bugs.
their job is not affected by age.