Pay rise, then sacked for poor performance when pregnant
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2 weeks liao and no reply from MOM.
This must be a tough case! -
very normal lah... in sg is like that one lah.. the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer....get used to it and buy more ToTo lah
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I understand your anxiety on this particular matter and whether it will be deal with fairly. But do note that MOM might choose not to write back through the press but instead to resolve this conflict directly.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:2 weeks liao and no reply from MOM.
This must be a tough case! -
nope..Originally posted by Cindyfeh:Have your friends/colleagues/relatives suffered such treatment before?
From 25th Aug up till today(30th), there has been a number of letters appearing in Today about unreasonable sacking of pregnant mums in the workplace. It is nearly a week and yet MOM has not replied. Does it take so much time for MOM to reply? Or the issue is not important to MOM?
however, from what i know from my working friends is that the best is don't get pregnant and u are safe...
as regards to MOM, forget about it... -
Write to PM.
It works.
You think he dare not to respond? It's a matter of whether the victim or victim's spokesperson dare to write to him or not.
MOM? forget it if there is no answer after so long. We shld take it that they don't want to respond. -
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yesh man.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:Funny with the GDP growth of 6% in 2004 and the projected growth of 3-5% in 2005, we are still facing poor salaries, and high unemployment. Who pocketed the $$ from the GDP growth? Ans - Employers!
If you are a boss, would you go hire and pay an extra employee when the current staff is doing fine doing 2 person job?
The gov and the employers forever say that economy not good, must cut cut cut salaries, must work free OT, must go for retraining, must increase job scope, must do contract work, and other employee-detrimental activitives. If 6% and 3-5% growth are considered bad, then what % is considered good? 100%?
Garment, ST, Temesak are the leaders here.
i doubt SME can afford such benefits, and desruption.
but if its an established corporate, they have to provide the benefits.
I expect the garment to come out w some packages to help.
Good good, more compliants to the media is good,
its meant to bring out issues.
I have bad personally experiences with ST too.
I will not work for any GLC man. -
That is prob the reason. 3 months maternity leave is a problem for many employers...how do you employ a temp for 3 months, even if you can find one? By the time the worker learns the job, it's time to leave...So most employers have no choice but force the remaining workers to take over extra duties. Everytime that happens, you can expect alot of cow pei cow bu in the office...Originally posted by seancannot:with current bad shape of economy how many employer (small time ones) can afford to pay 2 month of ML only 3rd month can be claimed from garment. So no choice the only soln is garment handout 3 mths of ML loh .... from all the $$$ they can afford from $$$ made from investment mah..
Will you be willing to take over extra workload in that situation even if the boss pays you extra for overtime?
I remember when I was employing a new staff my existing staff urged me not to employ young, newly married women 'cos they are likely to take maternity leave and not to take Singaporean males 'cos they have to do ICT. That is plainly ridiculous but people tend to be selfish. -
the growth meant when compared to the previous year i believe.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:Funny with the GDP growth of 6% in 2004 and the projected growth of 3-5% in 2005, we are still facing poor salaries, and high unemployment. Who pocketed the $$ from the GDP growth? Ans - Employers!
If you are a boss, would you go hire and pay an extra employee when the current staff is doing fine doing 2 person job?
The gov and the employers forever say that economy not good, must cut cut cut salaries, must work free OT, must go for retraining, must increase job scope, must do contract work, and other employee-detrimental activitives. If 6% and 3-5% growth are considered bad, then what % is considered good? 100%?
it's bad. they're usin a particular year as a benchmark of what is good.
think it used to be 1998. if the gdp is not on par, then it isn good.
but compared to previous years, it's growing, so it's a good sign. -
then take in lao auntie n lao uncle?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:That is prob the reason. 3 months maternity leave is a problem for many employers...how do you employ a temp for 3 months, even if you can find one? By the time the worker learns the job, it's time to leave...So most employers have no choice but force the remaining workers to take over extra duties. Everytime that happens, you can expect alot of cow pei cow bu in the office...
Will you be willing to take over extra workload in that situation even if the boss pays you extra for overtime?
I remember when I was employing a new staff my existing staff urged me not to employ young, newly married women 'cos they are likely to take maternity leave and not to take Singaporean males 'cos they have to do ICT. That is plainly ridiculous but people tend to be selfish.
they won't get pregnant, and they dun have to do ict. -
Can i ask if there is anything like a redundancy pay-off here in singapore?
something like if the company decides to use redundancy instead of retrenchment? -
a company can just axe an employee by giving him one month's compensation.Originally posted by Kermadec:Can i ask if there is anything like a redundancy pay-off here in singapore?
something like if the company decides to use redundancy instead of retrenchment? -
Research and experience indicate that in the vast majority of cases, unfair dismissal could have been prevented. An investigation of dismissal case studies indicate that most difficulties are associated with poor personnel management policies and practices. Inadequate workplace communication also contributes to employment difficulties.
If poor performance is an issue, develop an appropriate job description. That is vital. In many cases employees are unclear as to the scope of responsibilities. Quantify performance requirements whenever possible i.e. a data entry clerk could have requirements such as keystrokes per minute and entry accuracy rates. Update job description where work requirements are altered.
Consider a trial period for new employees or employees assigned to new roles and responsibilities. Monitor performance and provide written feedback during this period. Employees should communicate to management any difficulties they are facing during this time. Managers should make and be seen to be making every reasonable effort to assist employees with any difficulties they experience in their new roles. This should include training if appropriate.
In many cases, employees terminated on the basis of alleged poor performance are unaware that their employers are unhappy with aspects of their work. Above all, employers have a moral obligation to act in good faith i.e. not restort to unfair dismissal on grounds of pregnancy in avoidance of giving employees statutory maternity pay. -
but i have seen case when a company makes an employee redundant, they just paid that poor fellow his/her notice...that's all...Originally posted by dragg:a company can just axe an employee by giving him one month's compensation. -
Sigh... what to do?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:That is prob the reason. 3 months maternity leave is a problem for many employers...how do you employ a temp for 3 months, even if you can find one? By the time the worker learns the job, it's time to leave...So most employers have no choice but force the remaining workers to take over extra duties. Everytime that happens, you can expect alot of cow pei cow bu in the office...
Will you be willing to take over extra workload in that situation even if the boss pays you extra for overtime?
I remember when I was employing a new staff my existing staff urged me not to employ young, newly married women 'cos they are likely to take maternity leave and not to take Singaporean males 'cos they have to do ICT. That is plainly ridiculous but people tend to be selfish.
On one hand, the gahmen is desperate for all citizens to produce and multiply.
But on the other hand, the gahmen can do nothing to secure everybody's job.
So the best thing is don't respond to the gahmen's call for more babies. I am not telling everyone to be selfish. But at the end of the day, if you and the kids starve to death, the gahmen can't do anything.
The bullcrap about the baby bonus is really a bull. Yes, you get the money. But a simple mathematics will tell you that the bonus is nothing compare to what you need to pay for the kid. Even with the baby bonus, you will still burn a hole in the pocket. apart from the milk powder and food, medication fee is a killer. Trust me. Many working mothers are working their butts out just to pay for the medications. The bad news is : All kids will fall sick. The only way out is to buy heavy insurance for the kid (money again!).
The wiser thing for the gahmen to do is to pay the bonus to the employers rather than the employees. At least this will encourage the employers keeping young mothers in their company.
Also the gahmen will prioritise their duty in pleasing the employers rather than protecting the employees. This is sad for all working ppl, but is realistic. The gahmen's biggest nightmare is to see companies moving out of Sg. -
sigh....
whos goin to employ locals when FTs :
1) are willing to accept lower n longer hours
cos they can back in their country, and have no life outside work, cos not frens
2) have no NS reservist ICT.
3) complain less since they shud already be happy to get a job here.
now another maternity leave issue.
if i were an employer , i will jus get 'FTs'.
so is it worth it being a Singaporean??? -
employer Hiam they work slow....Originally posted by shinta:then take in lao auntie n lao uncle?
they won't get pregnant, and they dun have to do ict.
and high medical fees and more medical leaves....
I think sg employers need to employ robots
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if i were an employer , i will jus get 'FTs'.
so is it worth it being a Singaporean???
Well spore govt is a pro-foreigner policy. By allowing them in, he is in fact asking we local singaporeans to compete with them. Only when you can do some thing they cannot do or do well can you hope to excel and secure a rice bowl. It is like wat they claim meritocracy. Those who can will be rewarded.
Look at other country govt where they have more pro-local policy. Msia govt intend to lower the toll charges and road tax cuz recent oil price has risen so high. This is just an example of their pro-local policy. Note they already have a deficit budget and to have this new scheme will sink the country into more debts. The people rejoice of course but then on the big picture the country cannot progress very far due to their mountain high debts to clear.
Ever wonder why our spore government foreign debts is N.A and the reserves run into billions? Hahahaha..... look at the policies they implement it is usually win win situation for them. Lose then think of new policies to take more money from us.
Conclusion: Spore good place to earn money but not so ideal for retirement -
sg employer and employment is too regulated and inflexible. Therefore the penality falls on the employee. Indeed the bb-bonus is crap but many people are short term oriented and get themselves lock into piling debts from their daily lives as well as now paying high prices for kids.Originally posted by Honeybunz:Sigh... what to do?
On one hand, the gahmen is desperate for all citizens to produce and multiply.
But on the other hand, the gahmen can do nothing to secure everybody's job.
So the best thing is don't respond to the gahmen's call for more babies. I am not telling everyone to be selfish. But at the end of the day, if you and the kids starve to death, the gahmen can't do anything.
The bullcrap about the baby bonus is really a bull. Yes, you get the money. But a simple mathematics will tell you that the bonus is nothing compare to what you need to pay for the kid. Even with the baby bonus, you will still burn a hole in the pocket. apart from the milk powder and food, medication fee is a killer. Trust me. Many working mothers are working their butts out just to pay for the medications. The bad news is : All kids will fall sick. The only way out is to buy heavy insurance for the kid (money again!).
The wiser thing for the gahmen to do is to pay the bonus to the employers rather than the employees. At least this will encourage the employers keeping young mothers in their company.
Also the gahmen will prioritise their duty in pleasing the employers rather than protecting the employees. This is sad for all working ppl, but is realistic. The gahmen's biggest nightmare is to see companies moving out of Sg.
Now all developed countries has low birth-rates. Scandinavian countries beat the trend but its because govt heavily subsidised the parents and kids in many many ways so as to encourage them to have kids. Employers are flexible and allow for 1 year maternity and 6 months parternity. The employment of temps/stand-in is possible. Sometimes the work around would be to have the mother cover half day or work from home. In Australia, there are people who "share" a job. Meaning 2 persons is employed for the same job but each work only half a day. The salary is of course based on that as well. All these countries use creative solutions to solve the issues ie; Germany beat peak hour traffic by staggering work hours, Italy use the car number plates to determine the day of week the car can be driven.
There is no perfect solution but at least it gives people an alternative to consider.
Garmen biggest nightmare started way back in 80s. Factories back then realised sg factory space rental is too high esp from JTC. I used to work in these factories myself. The end result is these factories secure cheap and good space as well as low labour cost over in M'sia/Thailand and subsequently china and vietnam etc and they of course moved. Back then JTC used to rent out to big companies such as Tomy, Triumph, MNB, Seagate, and all sorts. MM Lee himself came down to the factory to speak with the Tomy director (and other Jap big shots) but these people told MM they are set on their decision cause SG got nothing to offer. Discounts on the factory rental rate is still not as cheap as M'sia or anywhere.. so we had priced ourselves out of competition since the 80s. Therefore, every year I hear the garbage from the current party... I can only feel that the people are blamed for the bad decisions and management pratices of our garmen. Our employers are doing monkey see, monkey do...
Now Seagate is planning to move to Thailand in a couple more years... so the factories will be pretty much empty... soon lots of people will again be retrenched....
The policies, economics and social environment has created such a situation where people are not left with any choice but not to reproduce because the environment is unable to support these new generation. If it does reproduce, it will be at a great costs to the persons who choose to do so. In addition, with such open FT policies..... its just means the extinction of the local people is simply something along the pipeline... -
Originally posted by sohguanh:
not billions - trillions
[b]if i were an employer , i will jus get 'FTs'.
so is it worth it being a Singaporean???
Well spore govt is a pro-foreigner policy. By allowing them in, he is in fact asking we local singaporeans to compete with them. Only when you can do some thing they cannot do or do well can you hope to excel and secure a rice bowl. It is like wat they claim meritocracy. Those who can will be rewarded.
Look at other country govt where they have more pro-local policy. Msia govt intend to lower the toll charges and road tax cuz recent oil price has risen so high. This is just an example of their pro-local policy. Note they already have a deficit budget and to have this new scheme will sink the country into more debts. The people rejoice of course but then on the big picture the country cannot progress very far due to their mountain high debts to clear.
Ever wonder why our spore government foreign debts is N.A and the reserves run into billions? Hahahaha..... look at the policies they implement it is usually win win situation for them. Lose then think of new policies to take more money from us.
Conclusion: Spore good place to earn money but not so ideal for retirement [/b]
retirement.... look at the old folks cleaning tables, washing toilets and toiling away under the hot sun picking drink cans... I weep for them silently
I see my future is going to be worse them these current group... -
Another thing about FT. Certain FT are better at giving praise to certain people, which our locals are not so capable of. Take musakazim in his a Tribute to ..... thread for example.Originally posted by NuLife:sigh....
whos goin to employ locals when FTs :
1) are willing to accept lower n longer hours
cos they can back in their country, and have no life outside work, cos not frens
2) have no NS reservist ICT.
3) complain less since they shud already be happy to get a job here.
now another maternity leave issue.
if i were an employer , i will jus get 'FTs'.
so is it worth it being a Singaporean???
"i Shaikh musaKazim Qureshi, am a Software Engineer (Indian citizen) working in Singapore since last 7 years.
Coming from India i realize the hardships in life and therefore appreciate the efforts by government of Singapore to make life worth living in Singapore - It is Worth it, when We REALISE.[/b]"
I do not blame musakazim for his love for Singapore though for indeed, the Singapore gov really made it worth living in Singapore, for FT that is. -
..and employers don't have to pay FTs any CPF.Originally posted by NuLife:sigh....
whos goin to employ locals when FTs :
1) are willing to accept lower n longer hours
cos they can back in their country, and have no life outside work, cos not frens
2) have no NS reservist ICT.
3) complain less since they shud already be happy to get a job here.
now another maternity leave issue.
if i were an employer , i will jus get 'FTs'.
so is it worth it being a Singaporean???
The one that has fewer overheads, better work experience and cheaper gets the job. LTs really need to bear that in mind to beat the competition or else competition beats them blue black. -
I have a friend... a Singapore citizen who went to USA to do a degree.
Last year he's been offered a job there. He shared with me that he was going to carry on working there until he gets a USA passport. Then he will come back as a FT. Smart huh? -
Why is that so? As long as you do not raise children I think you should be fine? And yes it is quite sad to see these old folks reaching into garbage cans for soft drink cans(I see this every day now).Originally posted by mistyblue:not billions - trillions
retirement.... look at the old folks cleaning tables, washing toilets and toiling away under the hot sun picking drink cans... I weep for them silently
I see my future is going to be worse them these current group...
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The SG Govt sometimes reminds me of a prostitute and SPG combined. Likes to sleep with foreigners.Originally posted by Honeybunz:I have a friend... a Singapore citizen who went to USA to do a degree.
Last year he's been offered a job there. He shared with me that he was going to carry on working there until he gets a USA passport. Then he will come back as a FT. Smart huh?