SPH WILL be the cause of the second racial riot in SG.
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refering to fenixfireOriginally posted by Nelstar:Your entitlement.
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The roots goes back to prehistoric times.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Thats where it started from , you don't even know who instigated the 1964 in SG and 1969 riots in KL.
Thats where the roots of it began. -
Originally posted by fenixfire:No one made much noise when Durai got publicly destroyed, realise that Durai was in general doing good, gaining donations and stuff,this mistake was getting a ludicrous pay. Airing out these racists is a similar action, and undoubtedly a deserving one, realise that these racists have done only harm to the fabric of the nation.
Sorry to sidetrack abit , would you pay $100 to recruit someone who can raise $1000 for your charity or pay $10 for someone who an raise $100 for your charity?
I have explained in another similar post on this issue, that education cannot be blamed for these simpletons, as no one can gauge an education system based on the few that go awry. There is always going to be a few that go astray, the education system has guided an overwhelming majority to stay within reasonable confines, these racists have themselves to blame.
Education is the only way to help people like them.
If they go into jail , they will still hate people.
Just like the former CEO , he must realise he has took too much benefits.
Through education , putting the former CEO in jail isn't going to change anything
If the CEO got removed from his position without knowing what went wrong with him , what's the actual point then?
Their mistake is hardly small as mentioned by SMAPguy, they are sowing the seeds of discontent between races, and their "minor" indiscretion could lead to disasterous ramifications.
Hence, well, this SMAPguy should cease with his numerous posts regarding the issue as whichever angle he wishes to defend the racists from, there is simply no way that their actions are excusable, and a deterrent punishment is the only way to do it. Public shaming of litterbugs via CWO has been done,this racists behaviour is so much more serious, hence the public shaming they are getting is pretty acceptable in my viewpoint. Now we can see for ourselves how strong their confidence in their racist opinions would be when no longer hidden behind the Internet.
Aren't you even a little concerned about those kids?
17 years old and you are putting his personal life at risk!INHUMANE!
Mind you , 17 years old kid and he's like so young and vulnerable.
He's too young to even know what is the harm of racism.
And a kid's life gets destroyed because of it?
Hello ? Then what's with the yellow ribbon project?
How are you going to put offenders back into society after you have destroyed their name?
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Thats where racism begin , between the two races.
Racism is the cause of racial riots.
We must identify the cause , seek out the solution.
The solution is to let them fully integrate themselves as singaporeans.
There should also be full equality
Jobs for malays/indians in sensitive areas in SAF. More jobs for them. playing a bigger part in our community. we should identify people by their nationality , and not by the colour they were born with. -
fenixfire , imagine that when you were young , and you made a bad remark about a person.
The person happened to be powerful. He reports you to this person B
Person B wrecks your reputation , shows your name everywhere ,
and when next time you have changed into a new person , society refuses to integrate back with you , and the person refuses to make friends with you.
i surely dissapprove against the publishing of names.
Some people deserve a 2nd chance , humans do make mistakes
A possible racial riot might have resulted from it.
But the fact is that seditious event has not taken place.
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Just because i disagree with you views doesn't mean im dumb or anything.
it shows that your views are not accepted by me.
to fenixfire -
i don't get it , NEWSPAPERS OFTEN PUBLISH NAMES OF OFFENDERS.
NOW , THEY ARE TRYING TO PROMOTE THE YELLOW RIBBON PROJECT.
SO WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO DO? -
Racism also occurs because of differences.
Thats where the education of sg is clearly shown to be at a disadvantage.
CME teachers should teach about the religion individually , why they are different , more special then others.
Just because people are of different colour doesn't mean they are not humans. -
Firstly, how many million posts do you need to make?just make one and consolidate your points..keep repeating...Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart: Racism between chinese and malays started from Country M's history Durai deserves to be forgiven despite his wrong-doings , now the problem is , for a high performing executive , is it wrong to draw high pay? public shaming of CWO is different.
what im concerned is about what happens after the racist postings .
Racism dear kid, is a result of people unable to coexist with differences,the 17yr old kid was not even born at that point of racial riots and stuff, hence what feeling of anger and distaste should he have against malays? Why do whites, hispanics, blacks and asians have differences overseas?The issue is racism is an overreaction to one's lost of familiarity. Like i have mentioned, the majority has no issues between races, its just the handful..if it was true as you mentioned, racism is caused by the history so called, then would it be a more public issue?
I personally have no issue with Durai earning big bucks considering he was doing a great job getting money in for the kidney patients..the point was that Durai was publicly shamed, and well so are these racists. And given the nature of the offences, i don't see why you should complain against the racists being shamed, when even durai was potrayed on the newspapers.
Public shaming for litterbugs..hmm..well, they litter,they get caught, they get shamed.Public shaming for racists, they make racist statements,they get caught, they get shamed. I do not see littering as a big big issue, but racism..hello?!! Given the severity of their actions, they should face up to the punishment.
The beauty of the release of their photos is that, these individuals made public announcements of their racist opinions, being public, they were drawing attention to themselves. They have gotten what they wanted, more public attention, and what better than to be showcased on the national papers.
SPH has done no wrong,their duty is simply to report, and well the mistakes were done by the racists themselves,there were no court injunctions to prevent the release of their photos,which i'm sure they could have requested if they had wanted.If they did not want their lives to be destroyed,they should have thought before they made their racists remarks.
PS. You wrote too much for me to reply to...and anyways, you are entitled to your opinions as much as me to mine,you may feel my opinions silly, just as i do to yours. I do not know if you are making arguments for the sake of it or because you feel strongly, but your opinions are basically focussed on the direct result of the whole saga on the individuals who were charged, while my opinions are that with respect to the good of society in general.Given the two views, there would be pros and cons,but yea..i prefer to screw the few for the betterment of the society at large.
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I prefer to educate the few , & also protect the society at large.
There is definitely to kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
Authorities ain't thinking. if we secretly arrest people , and corner them outside their houses , and slowly root them out and force them to counselling centers , wouldn't we be able to catch more racists? if we only get 3 racists , wouldn't that be worse off?
i believe there are more then just a mere 3 racists in singapore. jail can't help racists
The author of the second holocaust wrote the blog , but young kids aren't aware of the conseuquences.
Well , you are entitled to your own views.
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Hidden arrests create an air of mystery behind the whole saga, and well word will still go around, and in that scenario, with the mystification of these characters, they could even be seen as heroes. Making the offenders accessible to public, not only acts as a deterrent, but helps the public realise that racists exists amongsts us, and we cannot tell who they are by simply looking at them or anything.It creates a real environment , and allows for the public to realise the issue which is imbedded in the minds of some amongst us.
What we have in singapore is a case of many whom are not racists per se, but more like people with a half chance of turning out that way. The fear is that these offenders would sow the seeds of discontent amongst the silent majority, and lead to public opinion being swayed.Hence, sure we we may miss out on the very very few hardcore racists, but for those whom are swaying in the wind with regards to the issues, these government actions would be a strong gust of wind pushing them the right way. I would think this is the large proportion that the gahmen is trying to keep unpoisoned by the racists opinions.
Jail does wonders, a little jail time..even 2 weeks, would help make the realisation of the gravity of racism, especially in our multi-ethnic setting, become apparent. If jail cannot help these individuals, counselling definitely won't. Do you not remember in your schooling days how students would laugh and joke about counselling as a punishment, because it simply is not!Spare the rod and spoil the child i'd say. Counselling would work only in certain cases, when someone is really misguided, however,what if any of these three were to simply go through the motions of counselling, and eventually laugh off the whole experience and still harbour the same feelings. It would make a ridicule of the justice system, and lead young impressionable kids to feel, that racism is a minor thing, and not even deserving of a true punishment.
Of course, on a personal level, as the way you see it, jail would only cause angst and bla bla, but if one was truly repentant, he would come out better from it, and counselling would enhance his recovery from his sickness,racism. -
i don't see how isolation of thoughts in a lonely dark chamber is going to cultivate love.perhaps you could enlighten me on that.
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Number 1Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:I prefer to educate the few , & also protect the society at large.
There is definitely to kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
Authorities ain't thinking. if we secretly arrest people , and corner them outside their houses , and slowly root them out and force them to counselling centers , wouldn't we be able to catch more racists? if we only get 3 racists , wouldn't that be worse off?
i believe there are more then just a mere 3 racists in singapore. jail can't help racists
The author of the second holocaust wrote the blog , but young kids aren't aware of the conseuquences.
Well , you are entitled to your own views.
Let's keep it at that. You can't really arrest someone for what you believed without any proof. That would really make stupid even more stupid. Without any hard evidence, we're going to have a bigger problem with the Govt for such arrests.
Number 2 There are more, but you might have to jail half the country.
Number 3 It'll make them re-think about flouting the rules and definitely it will make MANY others re-think about flouting the rules.
THE key is to warn many others not to do it again.
If we go on.... everyone will be laughing at your ludicrous claims. -
Indians are allowed to work in sensitive areas in the army, at least that's what I saw when I was doing my NS.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Thats where racism begin , between the two races.
Racism is the cause of racial riots.
We must identify the cause , seek out the solution.
The solution is to let them fully integrate themselves as singaporeans.
There should also be full equality Jobs for malays/indians in sensitive areas in SAF. More jobs for them. playing a bigger part in our community. we should identify people by their nationality , and not by the colour they were born with.
As for your first post about the SAF's forward defense strategy, if you feel its a bad idea, the alternative is worse. If we simply allow neighbouring countries to invade sg island first, THEN defend ourselves, we might not have enough land to stage a massive retaliation.
Imagine a certain country, let's say J, attacking from the north. According to plan, we would let them reach woodlands before counter attacking and pushing them back out of our soverign space. Now, assume that J soldiers were more successful than we expected, by the time we gathered our troops, submitted a diplomatic protest with the UN, they might have captured 1 reservior and perhaps an airbase... Our troops would be deprived of those resources and be hindered to a certain extent. And isn't it racist to allow the Chinese singaporeans to suffer the toils of war since we refuse to fight on malaysian soil? Are we not protecting the malaysians to the north at the expense of our own taxpayers and voters? -
I noticed that most of the time, we get so excited about racist remarks against the Malays. Say something bad about Islam or against the malays, go straight to jail.
Say something bad about the indians, ppl get mildly irritated.
If the malays say something bad about the chinese, no problem. Who cares right? Have you noticed? -
hi silverpal,
thats life. in US also same. say any comments on that one race, trouble, LA in riots or NY in riots. even in England. simply because of opportunitists.
Everybody notice and knows eversince races co-exists, but nobody is allowed to say it. not even mention a word.
i think can be charged under sedition act even to utter it.
however for your case silverpal, not to offend you, it should best stop there , maybe edit/delete posts and nobody allowed to mention it and follow up and discuss. it stop in the last riots and end there. it must never be mention again.
May never know what evil opportunitists are up to. Deny them this chance and they will have no chance forever.
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Well, i would not say jail helps cultivate love. What i am saying is that if the fella wants to repent from his misttakes, and actually realises the wrong he has done, some jail time would help serve as a strong reminder to him that what he has done was indeed wrong. However, maybe i'm simply cold, but i doubt that racism is something you can either beat out of someone,or talk out of someone. It is all just to utopian, i feel the three will remain having feeling of discontent towards malays, but since that were the case, punish them so that they remember that it is wrong. And even if they have the racism within them, they would learn not to act on their racist intentions. This is very much like teaching an animal a trick,you could reward them when they do good, or punish them when they do bad, eventually they will learn..Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:i don't see how isolation of thoughts in a lonely dark chamber is going to cultivate love.perhaps you could enlighten me on that. -
as for indians , i was referring to the higher ranks beyond COLOriginally posted by SilverPal:Indians are allowed to work in sensitive areas in the army, at least that's what I saw when I was doing my NS.
As for malays, perhaps there is a sensible reason why they are unsuitable for certain vocations? Maybe they do not want to work in those sensitive vocations? I'm not too sure about this and I'll go read up more.
As for your first post about the SAF's forward defense strategy, if you feel its a bad idea, the alternative is worse. If we simply allow neighbouring countries to invade sg island first, THEN defend ourselves, we might not have enough land to stage a massive retaliation.
Imagine a certain country, let's say J, attacking from the north. According to plan, we would let them reach woodlands before counter attacking and pushing them back out of our soverign space. Now, assume that J soldiers were more successful than we expected, by the time we gathered our troops, submitted a diplomatic protest with the UN, they might have captured 1 reservior and perhaps an airbase... Our troops would be deprived of those resources and be hindered to a certain extent. And isn't it racist to allow the Chinese singaporeans to suffer the toils of war since we refuse to fight on malaysian soil? Are we not protecting the malays to the north at the expense of our own taxpayers and voters? -
FYI, Indians have ever served as Army RSM. That is quite a big appointment.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:as for indians , i was referring to the higher ranks beyond COL -
my ex-camp number one rsm was a malay and his superior SWO is also malay. both control the camp. That was like ten years ago. Even Col and officers have to be below them in the camp.Originally posted by iveco:FYI, Indians have ever served as Army RSM. That is quite a big appointment.
its an honourable top of SAF appointment. Damn powerful, one word from them, extra guard duty or detentions.
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Why bother to highlight the fact that we do have Indians holding high positions in the army when the kid does not even know how the M16S1 smells like after live firing?Originally posted by AF2005:my ex-camp number one rsm was a malay and his superior SWO is also malay. both control the camp. That was like ten years ago. Even Col and officers have to be below them in the camp.
its an honourable top of SAF appointment. Damn powerful, one word from them, extra guard duty or detentions.
SAF have one indian BG general.
His loads of hearsay and beliefs are in serious doubt even before the issue was discussed. He was trying to unite all the races together and then he smacks himself on the pole when he goes on about things he rarely even knows about?
Does he know how many Indians are on army payroll as a regular? No. Does he know all the people holding high positions in the army? No. What he does for the past few months in forums was giving comments when all the information he had on hand were just rumours. I knew that long time ago.
As a friend I hate to strongly put him down, but it's about time. There are times when we need more facts than senseless emotions running through your heads. We do not need another spawning of iveco, who keeps on harping on political issues instead of having serious information about it.
Facts, our friends, are what we ask for. Not some load of crap you heard from braggers. -
got your point.
ah, love the smell of M16 gas. with color tracers even more fun.
but have to strip and clean like hell after the range. -
Yeah... not to mention scraping the bloody cauliflower with those lousy tweezers they give us. Urgh.
Besides the point.
SAF's forward Defense doctrine is needed cos we have very limited battlespace. If we allow the enemy into Singapore, no matter where we call for artillery bombardment, we will still eventually be bombarding our own soil. Our own HDB estates, our own CBDs. The enemy is not gonna stay in forested areas for us to shell. With little room to maneuver, chances are, every move u make will be a frontal attack on another enemy position, causing even more casualties.
Besides this has nothing to do with Racism. Or SPH for the matter.
Will SPH cause a second racial riot? No. Why? Well, their Top guys at SPH or any of their papers are allegedly usually former gahmen employees, former cabinet ministers, or having worked in various ministries..
Would people formerly from a gahmen entities try to cause racial riots? I think they've got more social responsibility than that. -
SPH also published the book "LKY memoirs"Originally posted by Shotgun:Yeah... not to mention scraping the bloody cauliflower with those lousy tweezers they give us. Urgh.
Besides the point.
SAF's forward Defense doctrine is needed cos we have very limited battlespace. If we allow the enemy into Singapore, no matter where we call for artillery bombardment, we will still eventually be bombarding our own soil. Our own HDB estates, our own CBDs. The enemy is not gonna stay in forested areas for us to shell. With little room to maneuver, chances are, every move u make will be a frontal attack on another enemy position, causing even more casualties.
Besides this has nothing to do with Racism. Or SPH for the matter.
Will SPH cause a second racial riot? No. Why? Well, their Top guys at SPH or any of their papers are allegedly usually former gahmen employees, former cabinet ministers, or having worked in various ministries..
Would people formerly from a gahmen entities try to cause racial riots? I think they've got more social responsibility than that.
on the last page of the book , it contains a phrase
"We are a chinese island in a malay sea , how could we ever survive in such a hostile environment?"
i got the book with me.
Isn't SPH subtly hinting ?? a ...hint of r******? -
Originally posted by Nelstar:Why bother to highlight the fact that we do have Indians holding high positions in the army when the kid does not even know how the M16S1 smells like after live firing?
His loads of hearsay and beliefs are in serious doubt even before the issue was discussed. He was trying to unite all the races together and then he smacks himself on the pole when he goes on about things he rarely even knows about?
Does he know how many Indians are on army payroll as a regular? No. Does he know all the people holding high positions in the army? No. What he does for the past few months in forums was giving comments when all the information he had on hand were just rumours. I knew that long time ago.
As a friend I hate to strongly put him down, but it's about time. There are times when we need more facts than senseless emotions running through your heads. We do not need another spawning of iveco, who keeps on harping on political issues instead of having serious information about it.
Facts, our friends, are what we ask for. Not some load of crap you heard from braggers. smell before went into MINDEF's website and seen before