Poly and JC students come in~~
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these poly jc differences have been around for a very very long time already. like whats said the story Animal Farm... " all men are equal, but some men are more equal than others"
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not only the unfairness of the system...as early as secondary school...you can tell whether those who go jc and those who go poly...some of them have very diverse views on different situation...Originally posted by shade343:Animosity? What animosity? Maybe its because of the unfairness of the system...
the student who asked the qns,"how can jc and poly students interact so there can be more compromise and understanding between both sets of students"
Dr Vivian responded by saying there is not difference between jc and poly students...why shld there be more understanding...seriously...this comment is either very shallow or he doesn't noe the reality in singapore education nowadays... -
SMRT once said in the newspaper that they cant give discount indiscriminately as they are still answerable to their shareholders...Originally posted by DriftingGuy:Its the way the system group fares... Poly and Unis are classified under tertiary education so they are subjected to "tertiary" fees.. while JC is "pre-tertiary"... -
How do you defining being not fair?Originally posted by R3SsH|n:exactly...our parents oso contribute to the financial standpoint of the government...yet their children go not get equal fairness with regards to education and transport...
If you talk about education opportunities... Every student out there fights on equal grounds for their O levels. Maybe certain schools prepare their students better for the Os but we have seen time and time again that there are top students from neighborhood schools..
If you talk about the unfair transport system then its all about how they classify what is "tertiary" and what is not -
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ok. whatever. i really hope that there will not be any hatred between the 2 grps just because of the stupid comment made by the minister from ACS. i can truly understand how u guys feel right now as i exp it during the period of PAE when not in jc. if u guys need any signature for petition or what, feel free to ask me. ciao now.
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JCs are considered as post-secondary educationOriginally posted by supremebull:So it's just a matter of the Government's classification that has caused this bus fare issue to be raised again?
Let's ponder over this question(s)
Why are Polys considered as tertiary education?
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i think u miss out on this...Originally posted by sinicker:hello, i'm a JC student. the reason as to why jc students pay student fares is simple.
JC students are ALL in a 2-year range. afterwhich, they may quit aft As (not suggested) or go to a local uni (where they pay adult fares).
try to look at it this way. see "how near you are to entering the workforce". a jc student, upon embarking jc education has abt 6yrs (gals)/8yrs (guys) b4 they start working if they take the jc
uni route. when these jc students are in uni/NS, they are already paying adult fares. thus, they pay 4yrs/6yrs of adult fare b4 they start working!
a poly student, if they start work aft obtaining their diploma, has only 3yrs (gals)/5 yrs(guys) b4 entering the workforce. they pay 3yrs/5yrs of adult fare b4 they start working!!
poly students are at an advantage? it's evident.
if jc students can take the jc ---> uni route...
y cant poly students take the poly ---> uni route...?
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Seriously if you work hard enough there is a chance you can go JC instead of poly. Did you read today's news? A guy who failed his psle TWICE ended up in chemical engineering in NUS.. because he perservered..Originally posted by R3SsH|n:not only the unfairness of the system...as early as secondary school...you can tell whether those who go jc and those who go poly...some of them have very diverse views on different situation...
the student who asked the qns,"how can jc and poly students interact so there can be more compromise and understanding between both sets of students"
Dr Vivian responded by saying there is not difference between jc and poly students...why shld there be more understanding...seriously...this comment is either very shallow or he doesn't noe the reality in singapore education nowadays...
Yes, JC students and Poly students have different mindsets. And its not easy to overcome these differences just by mere "interaction". More likely Dr Vivian also dunno the answer... -
Well, IMO, diversity is good for our education. It exposes us to different views and teaches us that there is always room for many opinions.Originally posted by R3SsH|n:not only the unfairness of the system...as early as secondary school...you can tell whether those who go jc and those who go poly...some of them have very diverse views on different situation...
the student who asked the qns,"how can jc and poly students interact so there can be more compromise and understanding between both sets of students"
Dr Vivian responded by saying there is not difference between jc and poly students...why shld there be more understanding...seriously...this comment is either very shallow or he doesn't noe the reality in singapore education nowadays...
But Diversity should not lead to a class system.
I think VB's point was JC and Poly students has always been equal, as such, both set of students share the same thinking and thoughts.
But then again, I beg to differ. If both educational institues churns out uniformed students, why not call poly and ITE JCs as well? Why is there a need for the institutes to be named differently? -
Agree with you.Originally posted by stellazio:wtf..some people pay less some people must pay more to cover up..why can't they make a standard amount so that in the end its equal..I used to respect him but after this comment i think he's getting himself into alot of hatred by the poly students..what have we done to warrant us paying more for public transport fares..just because our ezlink is red in colour? -
education in the sense that poly do not get edusave subsidies...lol...i wanted to go overseas for community work in my poly...but the cost was too high...thus changing my mind...their school fees(jc) is oso much lesser compared to poly(you can read it in the previous respond)...thus...how can u put it as fair for tertiary education?Originally posted by DriftingGuy:How do you defining being not fair?
If you talk about education opportunities... Every student out there fights on equal grounds for their O levels. Maybe certain schools prepare their students better for the Os but we have seen time and time again that there are top students from neighborhood schools..
If you talk about the unfair transport system then its all about how they classify what is "tertiary" and what is not -
Yes poly --> uni is not only possible but increasingly common nowadays.. but perhaps the government is thinking that the majority wont be going to NUS/NTU and are entering the workforce directly.. they are not taking into account those who go SMU/SIM/other tertiary institutes or even overseas...Originally posted by GHoST_18:i think u miss out on this...
if jc students can take the jc ---> uni route...
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wat if my interest is not GP or economies...my interest is nursing and only poly can give me my interest...this is not a matter of whether i can go jc or not...its a matter why jc and poly pay different fees?Originally posted by DriftingGuy:Seriously if you work hard enough there is a chance you can go JC instead of poly. Did you read today's news? A guy who failed his psle TWICE ended up in chemical engineering in NUS.. because he perservered..
Yes, JC students and Poly students have different mindsets. And its not easy to overcome these differences just by mere "interaction". More likely Dr Vivian also dunno the answer... -
Like what I said earlier a diploma >> A level cert.. You can find a job much much easily with a diploma versus an A level cert.. A diploma is a tertiary qualification.. an A level cert is just a piece of paper only..Originally posted by R3SsH|n:education in the sense that poly do not get edusave subsidies...lol...i wanted to go overseas for community work in my poly...but the cost was too high...thus changing my mind...their school fees(jc) is oso much lesser compared to poly(you can read it in the previous respond)...thus...how can u put it as fair for tertiary education?
Once those A level students go into Uni.. they will start paying tertiary fees like the poly students -
he is trying to say that people who go poly doesnt work hard enough to get into jc
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Meaning of students: One who is enrolled or attends classes at a school, college, or university.Originally posted by stellazio:its the simple fact that jc students doesn't support our view on this matter,don't support nvm but instead gives us stupid answers like,your complain soo much for what,your where home clothes can wake up late,wear slippers to school of course your are not real students la..
So, we are students and we should be paying kids' fare. Got difference? JC students, take out dictionary and check it out. If we are not students, then you are meh?
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Going by that same theory then those in Uni should also be paying student fees then.. they are also students but they end up paying tertiary faresOriginally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Meaning of students: One who is enrolled or attends classes at a school, college, or university.
So, we are students and we should be paying kids' fare. Got difference? JC students, take out dictionary and check it out. If we are not students, then you are meh? -
i don't think that is justified...so many of my friends work damn hard...yet they DON'T wanna go jc...just so that they can pursue the course of their dreams...not because they wanna go jc...Originally posted by Mariner:he is trying to say that people who go poly doesnt work hard enough to get into jc -
actually i'm one of them...in fact alot of people does this. i have a friend who got 13 points L1r5 for o levels and is from maris stella...ended up in the same course as me and he did not even fail any subjects. its just about being able to pursue one's dreams and interest. do not tell me that pursuing your own dream is not justified...Originally posted by R3SsH|n:i don't think that is justified...so many of my friends work damn hard...yet they DON'T wanna go jc...just so that they can pursue the course of their dreams...not because they wanna go jc... -
anyway...
just to add on...
i once apply for a place in a local uni at a study fair...
i spoke to this guy whom i supposed is from the admission office...
he looked at my transcript and told me...
i think u shld give the A levels grads a chance...
u had yr fair share of education...
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so that means it is justified that they can get spoon-fed for 2 years?Originally posted by DriftingGuy:Like what I said earlier a diploma >> A level cert.. You can find a job much much easily with a diploma versus an A level cert.. A diploma is a tertiary qualification.. an A level cert is just a piece of paper only..
Once those A level students go into Uni.. they will start paying tertiary fees like the poly students
some poly students work their @ss off during part-time just to be able to pay for the gigantic school fees and transport...whereas jc students pay $40 each month and still get edusave for their enrichment courses...why can't jc students too work their way for that transport fee? -
I have friends who score 6 points for their O levels. They take 10 subjects with A1s in all. Some go overseas, while others go poly. The reason? They want to enjoy a more rounded education.. and in the end they end up in either local or overseas uni...Originally posted by R3SsH|n:i don't think that is justified...so many of my friends work damn hard...yet they DON'T wanna go jc...just so that they can pursue the course of their dreams...not because they wanna go jc...
Anyway the point is A level Cert is quite worthless as an employment cert.. Diploma is a tertiary cert as compared to A level Cert which isnt.. -
In fact if you are willing to work hard and study hard, there is almost no difference now between the poly route and the JC route except for the fact that you have to do 1 extra year.
The advantage that JCs seem to offer over poly (i.e easier access into University) seems to be eroding rapidly.
We are now seeing more O lvl takers entering poly by CHOICE and not due to their results.
So are we saying that because of the better employment opportunities for Poly students they are treated like adults and hence the adult fare?
Anyway the point is A level Cert is quite worthless as an employment cert.. Diploma is a tertiary cert as compared to A level Cert which isnt..
Seems like the higher education costs for Poly suggest that the Government treats Poly as better education than the JCs however most Singaporeans seem to think otherwise with the JCs being the most prestigious post-secondary one can receive.
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I went for the forum today. Boring! Basically he was beating around the bush and confusing everyone.Originally posted by 798:i also dunno wat it mean! damnit! he's mastered at confusing pple.
We did applause 3 times when the guy from TP (I think) asked the question.