Australian are too emotional and irrational
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To get rid of drugs - hang the smuggler. What else could be simpler?
Take the case of Nguyen Tuong Van, everyone in Australia is so worked up because Singapore is about to hang him. This Austrailian Vietnamese was forced by the triads to smuggle drugs to help his twin brother who is in debt.
If he is a Singaporean nobody would have cared, time is just too precious to fight for a criminal, Singaporeans has many other more important things to do like shopping, tours and karaoke.
Something is really wrong with Australians, why bother with Singapore hanging one of their citizens, they have 20 million people more than us. They should understand Singapore is helping them to get rid of one of their criminals - they should thank us, for their nation is now safer.
Nguyen Tuong Van will obviously endangered the lives of people by his crime, why else would a "rational country" like Singapore want to hang him? These Australians and human rights group are acting so emotionally and irrationally over this.
We singaporeans are really lucky that we have such a unique and wonderful system in place. However, not many ang moh countries appreciate the beauty behind our beloved PAP Logic. -
only a handful is worked up.
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maybe they do not want singapore to kaypo,as in like their own criminal,they will ownself settle?
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Because we are not used to the concept of a state raising a hoo-ha over their own citizens' fate.Do you see our beloved state doing so?No.Hell will freeze over first.
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so u suggest the government shld tell the australians that they are too emotional and irrational?
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x2Originally posted by LazerLordz:Because we are not used to the concept of a state raising a hoo-ha over their own citizens' fate.Do you see our beloved state doing so?No.Hell will freeze over first. -
i'm not sure i quite agree with this,Originally posted by LazerLordz:Because we are not used to the concept of a state raising a hoo-ha over their own citizens' fate.Do you see our beloved state doing so?No.Hell will freeze over first.
remember the flor contemplacion case, someone in the Phillipines govt actually raised the possibility of striking a deal to exchange prisoners, that is, return a few Singaporeans (a few rapist and a robber or something, if i recall) languishing in their jails in exchange for flor, i think LKY said "siao !" to them, or something to that effect ....
We must not be so gullible as to misplace our sympathies with a criminal ....
if one of our chaps say, got kidnapped by insurgents in Iraq while on a UN aid mission or something, i'm sure our goverment's response would be different (though they did state that they would never negotiate with terrorists, but that's fodder for another thread .. ) ....
just don't expect the govt to make a hoo haa over you if you commit a crime in another country ...... -
Again, it is our mindset.What if a Singaporean was caught for a crime that is not so in Singapore?Do we let him rot?So much for every citizen matters.Let's just say that sovereignty is no absolute excuse for cross border criminal legislative issues anymore.Those who fail to accept it will suffer.Originally posted by Fatum:i'm not sure i quite agree with this,
remember the flor contemplacion case, someone in the Phillipines govt actually raised the possibility of striking a deal to exchange prisoners, that is, return a few Singaporeans (a few rapist and a robber or something, if i recall) languishing in their jails in exchange for flor, i think LKY said "siao !" to them, or something to that effect ....
We must not be so gullible as to misplace our sympathies with a criminal ....
if one of our chaps say, got kidnapped by insurgents in Iraq while on a UN aid mission or something, i'm sure our goverment's response would be different (though they did state that they would never negotiate with terrorists, but that's fodder for another thread .. ) ....
just don't expect the govt to make a hoo haa over you if you commit a crime in another country ...... -
Its only his handful of girlfriends getting worked up over his fate in Singapore. Even the politicians know very well there is close to no chance asking for a pardon. Just look at how many australians are in trouble with the law over drug smuggling in bali now. They're affectionately named the Bali Nine. They make an appearance in every channel's news telecast every single night without fail.
If singapore is going to pardon every drug trafficker's fate just because their loved ones ask for it, then what the hell is the singapore law in place for? Go ahead and smuggle in, I'll just ask for a pardon, it worked for them, it should work for you too, go right ahead. -
Mother begs Queen to help save her son
By Mark Russell
October 30, 2005
THE mother of condemned Melbourne man Nguyen Tuong Van has written a letter to the Queen in a desperate last-ditch bid to save her son from being executed in Singapore.
The two-page letter, written in Vietnamese and addressed simply to Queen Elizabeth, was sent to Nguyen's Melbourne legal team with instructions to forward it on to Buckingham Palace.
The Sunday Age believes Nguyen's mother, Kim, pleads with the Queen in the letter to personally intervene in the case and ask the Singapore Government to spare her son's life.
The letter was translated yesterday but Mrs Nguyen's lawyers did not want to release it publicly until they had had time to discuss it thoroughly with her.
An emotional Mrs Nguyen is not coping well with the situation.
"She's found it all incredibly hard," a family friend told The Sunday Age.
"She has suffered a lot. .. She suffers intensely.
"She's an intensely loving mother. She looks like her heart is breaking."
Nguyen's lawyers believe the execution, if it goes ahead, will not take place for several weeks. Executions are usually carried out at 6am on Fridays.
In other developments:
Melbourne lawyer Lex Lasry, QC, confirmed that he would meet the Singapore high commissioner, Joseph Koh, in Canberra at 3.30pm tomorrow to plead Nguyen's case. Mr Koh said last week Singapore would not back down on plans to execute Nguyen. Mr Lasry also hopes to meet Prime Minister John Howard and Foreign Affairs Minister Alexander Downer to discuss the case.
Students from secondary schools, community groups and religious leaders will light 3000 candles today for Nguyen and his family in Brisbane.
Nguyen, 25, a sales executive from Glen Waverley, has been on death row since March last year when given a mandatory death sentence after being caught carrying 396.2g of heroin.
Nguyen, who had no previous criminal convictions, had been acting as a drug mule to help pay off his twin brother Khoa's legal debts after being pressured by loan sharks.
Khoa, a convicted heroin trafficker, is living in Western Australia and has not been to visit his brother since his arrest in Singapore.
A prayer service will be held at St Patrick's Cathedral at 2.30pm next Sunday to pray that Nguyen's life be spared. -
Funny how people are begging for a criminal. I don't see such a reaction when the poor Iraqis (innocent ones) are getting ripped off by missiles.
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shd ask them to use christmas island to exchangeOriginally posted by Fatum:i'm not sure i quite agree with this,
remember the flor contemplacion case, someone in the Phillipines govt actually raised the possibility of striking a deal to exchange prisoners, that is, return a few Singaporeans (a few rapist and a robber or something, if i recall) languishing in their jails in exchange for flor, i think LKY said "siao !" to them, or something to that effect ....
We must not be so gullible as to misplace our sympathies with a criminal ....
if one of our chaps say, got kidnapped by insurgents in Iraq while on a UN aid mission or something, i'm sure our goverment's response would be different (though they did state that they would never negotiate with terrorists, but that's fodder for another thread .. ) ....
just don't expect the govt to make a hoo haa over you if you commit a crime in another country ...... -
They make it sound so big. Really, its only Kelly Ng and his many girlfriends.
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He was said to be smuggling in drugs so he could pay off his brother's debts. But that's up to you people to decide.
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And those drugs would have gone on to Australia and maybe some in Singapore,and people potentially would have gotten addicted to them,ruining their lives and destroying their bonds with family and friends,perpetuating a vicious cycle.
By intercepting those drugs,we potentially stopped that cycle from affecting innocent people,something that this fellow probably wasn't thinking about,how he was going to ruin the lives of others.
I truly sympathise with him if he was truly going to try to sell those drugs to try and bail out his brother,but there were other methods available,and probably less harmful though no less illegal substances he could have trafficked in.
I am not saying whether he deserves to die or not,but he knew the laws of Singapore,and he wilfully violted them.Those laws demand that their breaking results in the deaht penalty.That is a fact.
I do wonder though,since the trafficker is Australian Vietnamese,what if it had been an Australian of Caucasian descent?What would the reaction be then? -
hmmm .... good point bro ...Originally posted by LazerLordz:Again, it is our mindset.What if a Singaporean was caught for a crime that is not so in Singapore?Do we let him rot?So much for every citizen matters.Let's just say that sovereignty is no absolute excuse for cross border criminal legislative issues anymore.Those who fail to accept it will suffer.
but whatever the case, a sovereign nation must respect the right of another to enforce it's own laws, of course each country has it's own moral and ethical standards, and i don't entirely agree with some of our laws (and some of our judicial functionaries ), but for us to allow our judiciary to be influenced by another country smacks of the bad old colonial days of extra-territorial rights .... if this is the case, would it be appropriate for our goverment to speak out then ? ... when we ourselves expect to be able to enforce our own laws independently ? ...
Like i said, if you're a victim, say .... i'm sure our goverment's response would not be one of apathy .... and in any case, i do believe that even if you're charged with some crime overseas, the nearest consulate or embassy would probably be informed, and they'll send someone to attend to your case (as long as it's not, for example, a malaysian traffic summon perhaps ... ) ... this is par for the course, and quite SOP for the diplomatic mission of any country i believe .....
I do feel sad that we are forced to snuff out a young man's life ..... let it be known that I'm against the death penalty myself ... i've said before in previous posts, crimes bring pain to a lot more people beyond the direct victims, i can only imagine the grief that chap's mother must be feeling right now ... but I believe in the supremacy of the law ... and where drugs are concerned, i have to say it's a neccessary evil ... -
ya he shd just come to singapore be gigolooOriginally posted by Sardaukar:And those drugs would have gone on to Australia and maybe some in Singapore,and people potentially would have gotten addicted to them,ruining their lives and destroying their bonds with family and friends,perpetuating a vicious cycle.
By intercepting those drugs,we potentially stopped that cycle from affecting innocent people,something that this fellow probably wasn't thinking about,how he was going to ruin the lives of others.
I truly sympathise with him if he was truly going to try to sell those drugs to try and bail out his brother,but there were other methods available,and probably less harmful though no less illegal substances he could have trafficked in.
I am not saying whether he deserves to die or not,but he knew the laws of Singapore,and he wilfully violted them.Those laws demand that their breaking results in the deaht penalty.That is a fact.
I do wonder though,since the trafficker is Australian Vietnamese,what if it had been an Australian of Caucasian descent?What would the reaction be then? -
I agree that we should expect our govt to negotiate on our behalf when we have committed a crime overseas but for the above scenerio...I think U have too much faith in our govt...I dont think they will make any hoo haa in any case...maybe hide behind the @ss of UN and whine a little...Originally posted by Fatum:if one of our chaps say, got kidnapped by insurgents in Iraq while on a UN aid mission or something, i'm sure our goverment's response would be different (though they did state that they would never negotiate with terrorists, but that's fodder for another thread .. ) ....
just don't expect the govt to make a hoo haa over you if you commit a crime in another country ......
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You let one go, you let everybody go and the law crumbles.Originally posted by targa2:fcuking hell.. if they hang all the drug dealers.. where am i gonna get my next fix?
I agree with the australians.. let that poor man go! -
I agree with the australians.. let that poor man go!
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It is sad that he was forced into smuggling drugs and got caught for it, of all places in Singapore. However, laws are laws, and in Singapore, the anti-drug laws are tough and effective. We should not bow down to a vocal minority of bleeding heart liberals and back down on the execution of drug traffickers. We should never compromise against those who wilfully or otherwise attempt to taint our society with the specter of drug addiction. For these reasons, Nguyen has to face the due punishment of law.
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this thread needs this:
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Agreed..except it's 'spectre'...Originally posted by dakkon_blackblade:It is sad that he was forced into smuggling drugs and got caught for it, of all places in Singapore. However, laws are laws, and in Singapore, the anti-drug laws are tough and effective. We should not bow down to a vocal minority of bleeding heart liberals and back down on the execution of drug traffickers. We should never compromise against those who wilfully or otherwise attempt to taint our society with the specter of drug addiction. For these reasons, Nguyen has to face the due punishment of law. -
Die!! All Die!! Drugs, Robbery, Rape, Chewing Gum or whatever, don't care all must DIE!!
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do not think the appeal if it come thru will work.
It din work for micheal fay then,likely not so now.