Views on Gays???
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there's nothing wrong with being either physically or mentally challenged.Originally posted by HENG@:u're saying they're crazy abnormal people then? which cave did u crawl out from?
u know what? I think bigoted people are even more mentally challenged. They seem to have trouble understanding simple concepts or be open minded about them. They must be all retarded, bigots.
they just happen to be created different from the way nature intended.
homosexuals should be asserting along these lines to save themselves from discrimination.
not try to suggest that homosexuality should be considered a choice -
its not a choice, but its neither considered physically or mentally challenged, any more than being born tall or short, black or white, is. It just is. U can no more do anything about being gay than u can do about being chinese.Originally posted by boy in blues:there's nothing wrong with being either physically or mentally challenged.
they just happen to be created different from the way nature intended.
homosexuals should be asserting along these lines to save themselves from discrimination.
not try to suggest that homosexuality should be considered a choice -
but their reproductive functions are disabled.Originally posted by HENG@:its not a choice, but its neither considered physically or mentally challenged, any more than being born tall or short, black or white, is. It just is. U can no more do anything about being gay than u can do about being chinese.
that's different from the other natural variations mentioned -
I don't understand what u mean by this statement, but humans go beyond the need for just reproduction. Humans LOVE.Originally posted by boy in blues:but their reproductive functions are disabled.
that's different from the other natural variations mentioned -
opps, you left out charity!!Originally posted by ShutterBug:Ok people, here is a list of topics that will always go into an infinte loop:
>> Religion
>> Race
>> Gays/Lesbians
Pointless debates. They are all people.
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not there yetOriginally posted by Mr Fugue:opps, you left out charity!!
must have some more NKFs like company than charity will become super hot topic... -
anything more than 5 pg is something alreadi.........Originally posted by laurence82:not there yet
must have some more NKFs like company than charity will become super hot topic... -
what i mean is,Originally posted by HENG@:I don't understand what u mean by this statement, but humans go beyond the need for just reproduction. Humans LOVE.
it's basic requirement for all living beings to be capable of reproduction.
how else to gurantee the continued existance of the species? -
its a basic requirement for SOME members of any given species to be able to reproduce. In the wild, only the dominant males reproduce. Other males don't. Some living beings such as bees and ants, only the queen is capable of reproduction, not the worker or soldier bees. Even in humans, there are naturally infertile humans.Originally posted by boy in blues:what i mean is,
it's basic requirement for all living beings to be capable of reproduction.
how else to gurantee the continued existance of the species?
Survival of the species used as an argument against gay sexuality is totally untenable, because altho there will be homosexuality present in any given species, there will never be 100% homosexuality occuring in any given species. Highest I know of are the giant gorillas at 94%. Giraffes, if i did not remember wrongly, are around90% homosexual. In any case I doubt if humans will ever reach that percentage, and even if only 10% of humans are reproducing, due to the amount of humans in the world, that is more than enough to ensure the continued existance of our species, barring any sort of man made apocalypse-scale disaster. -
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can you lead me to the references where you derived those 2 figures of 94% and 90%?Originally posted by HENG@:its a basic requirement for SOME members of any given species to be able to reproduce. In the wild, only the dominant males reproduce. Other males don't. Some living beings such as bees and ants, only the queen is capable of reproduction, not the worker or soldier bees. Even in humans, there are naturally infertile humans.
Survival of the species used as an argument against gay sexuality is totally untenable, because altho there will be homosexuality present in any given species, there will never be 100% homosexuality occuring in any given species. Highest I know of are the giant gorillas at 94%. Giraffes, if i did not remember wrongly, are around90% homosexual. In any case I doubt if humans will ever reach that percentage, and even if only 10% of humans are reproducing, due to the amount of humans in the world, that is more than enough to ensure the continued existance of our species, barring any sort of man made apocalypse-scale disaster.
i need to see to believe.
in social mammals,
only the alpha male or female mate.
but the others aren't there for show.
they're always giving the leader a run for his money by trying to oust him from supremacy.
that's natural selection.
gays don't do that.
if you're talking about social insects, they're segregated into queens, drones, soldiers and workers with specialized functions. they aren't even individuals capable of independent survival -
I read about it on an animal behavioural website several months back. Unfortunately I don't think I booked marked the site but I'll go and check. In any case, heres another interesting article by the National Geographic:Originally posted by boy in blues:can you lead me to the references where you derived those 2 figures of 94% and 90%?
i need to see to believe.
in social mammals,
only the alpha male or female mate.
but the others aren't there for show.
they're always giving the leader a run for his money by trying to oust him from supremacy.
that's natural selection.
gays don't do that.
if you're talking about social insects, they're segregated into queens, drones, soldiers and workers with specialized functions. they aren't even individuals capable of independent survivalHomosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate
James Owen in London
for National Geographic News
July 23, 2004
Birds do it, bees do it, even educated fleas do it. So go the lyrics penned by U.S. songwriter Cole Porter.
Porter, who first hit it big in the 1920s, wouldn't risk parading his homosexuality in public. In his day "the birds and the bees" generally meant only one thing—sex between a male and female.
But, actually, some same-sex birds do do it. So do beetles, sheep, fruit bats, dolphins, and orangutans. Zoologists are discovering that homosexual and bisexual activity is not unknown within the animal kingdom.
Roy and Silo, two male chinstrap penguins at New York's Central Park Zoo have been inseparable for six years now. They display classic pair-bonding behavior—entwining of necks, mutual preening, flipper flapping, and the rest. They also have sex, while ignoring potential female mates.
Wild birds exhibit similar behavior. There are male ostriches that only court their own gender, and pairs of male flamingos that mate, build nests, and even raise foster chicks.
Filmmakers recently went in search of homosexual wild animals as part of a National Geographic Ultimate Explorer documentary about the female's role in the mating game. (The film, Girl Power, will be screened in the U.S this Saturday at 8 p.m. ET, 5 p.m PT on MSNBC TV.)
The team caught female Japanese macaques engaged in intimate acts which, if observed in humans, would be in the X-rated category.
"The homosexual behavior that goes on is completely baffling and intriguing," says National Geographic Ultimate Explorer correspondent, Mireya Mayor. "You would have thought females that want to be mated, especially over their fertile period, would be seeking out males."
Well, perhaps, in a roundabout way, they are seeking males, suggests primatologist Amy Parish.
She argues that female macaques may enhance their social position through homosexual intimacy which in turn influences breeding success. Parish says, "Taking something that's nonreproductive, like mounting another female—if it leads to control of a resource or acquisition of a resource or a good alliance partner, that could directly impact your reproductive success."
On the other hand, they could just be enjoying themselves, suggests Paul Vasey, animal behavior professor at the University of Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada. "They're engaging in the behavior because it's gratifying sexually or it's sexually pleasurable," he says. "They just like it. It doesn't have any sort of adaptive payoff."
Matthew Grober, biology professor at Georgia State University, agrees, saying, "If [sex] wasn't fun, we wouldn't have any kids around. So I think that maybe Japanese macaques have taken the fun aspect of sex and really run with it."
The bonobo, an African ape closely related to humans, has an even bigger sexual appetite. Studies suggest 75 percent of bonobo sex is nonreproductive and that nearly all bonobos are bisexual. Frans de Waal, author of Bonobo: The Forgotten Ape, calls the species a "make love, not war" primate. He believes bonobos use sex to resolve conflicts between individuals.
Other animals appear to go through a homosexual phase before they become fully mature. For instance, male dolphin calves often form temporary sexual partnerships, which scientists believe help to establish lifelong bonds. Such sexual behavior has been documented only relatively recently. Zoologists have been accused of skirting round the subject for fear of stepping into a political minefield.
"There was a lot of hiding of what was going on, I think, because people were maybe afraid that they would get into trouble by talking about it," notes de Waal. Whether it's a good idea or not, it's hard not make comparisons between humans and other animals, especially primates. The fact that homosexuality does, after all, exist in the natural world is bound to be used against people who insist such behavior is unnatural.
In the U.S., in particular, the moral debate over this issue rages on. Many on the religious right regard homosexuality as a sin. And only this month, President Bush vowed to continue his bid to ban gay marriages after the Senate blocked the proposal.
Already, cases of animal homosexuality have been cited in successful court cases brought against states like Texas, where gay sex was, until recently, illegal.
Yet scientists say we should be wary of referring to animals when considering what's acceptable in human society. For instance, infanticide, as practiced by lions and many other animals, isn't something people, gay or straight, generally approve of in humans.
Human Homosexuality
So how far can we go in using animals to help us understand human homosexuality? Robin Dunbar is a professor of evolutionary psychology at the University of Liverpool, England. "The bottom line is that anything that happens in other primates, and particularly other apes, is likely to have strong evolutionary continuity with what happens in humans," he said.
Dunbar says the bonobo's use of homosexual activity for social bonding is a possible example, adding, "One of the main arguments for human homosexual behavior is that it helps bond male groups together, particularly where a group of individuals are dependent on each other, as they might be in hunting or warfare."
For instance, the Spartans, in ancient Greece, encouraged homosexuality among their elite troops. "They had the not unreasonable belief that individuals would stick by and make all efforts to rescue other individuals if they had a lover relationship," Dunbar added.
Another suggestion is that homosexuality is a developmental phase people go through. He said, "This is similar to the argument of play in young animals to get their brain and muscles to work effectively and together. Off the back of this, there's the possibility you can get individuals locked into this phase for the rest of their lives as a result of the social environment they grow up in."
But he adds that homosexuality doesn't necessarily have to have a function. It could be a spin-off or by-product of something else and in itself carries no evolutionary weight."
He cites sexual gratification, which encourages procreation, as an example. "An organism is designed to maximize its motivational systems," he adds.
In other words, if the urge to have sex is strong enough it may spill over into nonreproductive sex, as suggested by the actions of the bonobos and macaques. However, as Dunbar admits, there's a long way to go before the causes of homosexuality in humans are fully understood.
He said, "Nobody's really investigated this issue thoroughly, because it's so politically sensitive. It's fair to say all possibilities are still open." -
1stly, who are u? if i dunno u, would u be on my friendster?Originally posted by NT2: -
neonOriginally posted by HENG@:1stly, who are u? if i dunno u, would u be on my friendster?
mai kay siao hahha -
good reply blueboy.....
I have always find it strange to find justification of homosexuality in animals in order to make it right for humans.
The animal kingdom is markedly different from the human species in that there are also other deviant practices not acceptable to the human society, eg infanticide, genocide, cannabalism being some of them. Why highlight homosexuality only???? -
another interesting report on an investigation done into relationship between the cranial structure of animals and their sexuality
According to a study of sheep at the University of Oregon's school of medicine, in the U.S. northwest, animal sexuality could be determined -- among other variables -- by a network of nerves located in the hypothalamus (a region of the brain responsible for the production of several hormones), which conditions sexual behavior.
In the study published in 2004, physiologist Charles Roselli and his team said they discovered groups of brain cells that were different amongst the sheep and that showed a strong correlation with their sexual preference. Roselli dubbed this knot of nerve cells ''ovine sexually dimorphic nucleus, oSDN.
The team examined 27 adult sheep, four years old and of different breeds, raised on an agricultural research station in the northwestern state of Idaho. The sample included eight males who manifested heterosexual behavior, nine with homosexual behavior and 10 females.
The research determined that the oSDN of the males who preferred females was considerably larger and contained many more neurons than in the other 19 sheep.
''Ours and other similar studies strongly suggest that the sexual preference among animals is biologically determined,'' Roselli told a press conference. When he presented the report the physiology and pharmacology professor added, ''This possibility is also valid for humans.'' -
well, we are evolved from monkeys, so any behaviours found in monkeys logically can be expolated to humans.Originally posted by Chin Eng:good reply blueboy.....
I have always find it strange to find justification of homosexuality in animals in order to make it right for humans.
The animal kingdom is markedly different from the human species in that there are also other deviant practices not acceptable to the human society, eg infanticide, genocide, cannabalism being some of them.
oh wait. u believe we were made from mud and what not. in an instant. poof. just like that.
1 thing i dun like about some Xtians, are that they believe animals are below us, that we're the single supreme top lifeform, so we can anyhow tread on other animals, or that whatever applies to them cfm dun apply to us. This demonstrates a very narrow minded thinking. -
oh its you. the extremist ah.Originally posted by NT2:neon
mai kay siao hahha -
ya...so sadist...is tt u?Originally posted by HENG@:oh its you. the extremist ah. -
back in 2002, Channel 4 aired a program called:
The Truth About Gay Animals
A "light-hearted" factual programme, presented by the gay comedian Scott Capurro, part of a season of programmes about homosexuality. It explores the thesis that homosexuality occurs naturally among animals, and features gay monkeys, sheep and a threesome of swans in Dorset. -
what do u think?Originally posted by NT2:ya...so sadist...is tt u? -
hw i knw la.....look abit like u and yet noOriginally posted by HENG@:what do u think?
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Originally posted by NT2:hw i knw la.....look abit like u and yet no
u ownself guess lo. im not saying anything. -
say lehhOriginally posted by HENG@:
u ownself guess lo. im not saying anything. -
Even if love exist between gays, it is quite impossible that a sexual relationship is never involved.
I have never heard of a gay couple remaining celibate. I mean it is all for sex isn't it? Sex between a man and a man. It is not natural and normal.
Just like the female human's body is designed for expecting only a maximum of one to two fetus in its 9 months of gestation, a male and female human body are designed by nature to fit each other.
Yes, there are other animals which has a heterosexual nature. But we are humans. Unusual sex disease is one of the result of going against the nature.
Gay or lesbians, I believe this thinking can be reversible and nurse their minds back to where they should be and where they are originally - if they are willing. A normal human being is physically and mentally balanced.