Australia treating Nguyen like a martyr
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Australian's find capital punishment barbaric. But then we are a civilised country..with freedom of speech and a government which does not prop up the drug lords of BurmaOriginally posted by Simon Dean:Like he fought for the rights of Australia or something, he brought vice and they still pray for him.
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well at least da govt still bother to support their citizen...even if they r in da wrong...just like parents n kids...if here..nobody cares...mind ur own business
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There
You have got yourself a government with a wrong focus 
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suicide bombers are also thought of as "martyrs"
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Australians cannot write proper English.
but then, think about this... what have australians done for the bloody druglords? buy their drugs?
now.. who's supporting whom?Originally posted by Kiwioz:Australian's find capital punishment barbaric. But then we are a civilised country..with freedom of speech and a government which does not prop up the drug lords of Burma -
The other overseas forums, especially all the military and political ones, all say hang him till he's dead.Originally posted by Pitot:+1, present at other forums are australians thinking that they can try to interfere and convert with our laws.
You can obeject all you want, but he jolly well knew that he was facing the death sentence and he took the risk. Now its time for him to face the consequences, he try to run away.
He broke the law. He must face the consequences. Period.
And they have many vile words for the Liberal wussies in Melbourne. -
It's a joke
It really..... a case of wrongly placed sympathy.... clouded minds.... one directional view.
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that belongs to them. They have to consume less as they short 400 grams.Originally posted by Pitot:In a nutshell, they are not happy that he is being executed for trafficking "just" 400 grams of drug. -
awright, maybe flags burning tomorrow?
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I think next time we catch any smuggler we ask if they are bound for australia. If no we hang em, if yes we pay the airticket and send them to australia along with the drugs.
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Then we'd be accused of being self-centered.Originally posted by KumSioJui:I think next time we catch any smuggler we ask if they are bound for australia. If no we hang em, if yes we pay the airticket and send them to australia along with the drugs.
Let the aussies handle their own drug problem.
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Oh... "drug problem" seems to be a severe understatement of the drug usage Down Under, check out this report: rampant drug use exposed in under-25sOriginally posted by the Bear:Australians cannot write proper English.
but then, think about this... what have australians done for the bloody druglords? buy their drugs?
now.. who's supporting whom?
Some very tantalising stats...
ALMOST half of all Australians aged under 25 have used illicit drugs and view their use as acceptable, a new survey shows.
Although possession or use of most illicit drugs could result in a jail sentence, research shows more than six million people of all ages were undeterred.
Almost half of them took illicit drugs other than marijuana and 2.5 million in total had used illicit drugs of some kind in the past year.
One in three Australians have tried marijuana at least once. ...
Australia has one of the highest rates of illegal substance abuse in the world...
More info from a wikipedia article:
There is a movement in Australia to make some narcotics decriminalised, particularly marijuana, the possession of such, in most states being a non-convictable offence (the definition of what constitutes possession differs however). ...
As a result of the decriminalisation, the punishments for drug use and drug dealing in Australia are typically very small, with many convicted small-time drug dealers not having to spend any time in jail.
There is an associated pro-drugs culture amongst a minority of the youth of Australia. The popular national youth radio station, Triple J radio often refers to drug use with a nuetral sentiment, rarely discouraging their use. Many take this nuetrality as an encouragement to use drugs, and a feeling of drug abuse being acceptable in Australia. -
I think the main problem most Australians have with this case is that the sentence is mandatory. It's hard to understand why that would be the case if Singapore truly wants to stop drug trafficking. Nguyen helped the police and pleaded guilty, and risked the safety of his family in doing so. But he was killed anyway.
Why would any future defendants ever do this?
Killing this kid will do precisely nothing to curb the flow of drugs through Changi airport, but dealing with him and future traffickers might at least go some way to getting to source of this evil drug. -
the purpose is only to elevate our status.
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That's what it looks like Dragg.
It's also particularly insulting to the judges of such cases. It assumes they can't be trusted to hand down an appropriate judgement. -
extracted from ST forum.
Nguyen pushed drugs despite twin's addiction
AS AN American who has accepted my country's use of the death penalty to punish murderers, I hope to offer a relatively objective view of the controversy over Singapore's execution of Australian heroin trafficker Nguyen Tuong Van.
I find the mandatory death sentence for the non-violent crime of drug trafficking to be incredibly harsh. I therefore would expect Australia to plead for clemency, and I support its efforts in doing so. Yet, I do not think that disputing the death penalty should devolve into attacks on Singapore.
Some Australian clemency sentiments have morphed into unfair and witless attacks on Singapore: Official calls for trade bans; threats of long-term resentment; a union's talk of refusing to service Singapore Airlines planes at Australian airports; and even the insulting characterisation of Singapore as a 'rogue Chinese port city'.
These attacks on Singapore lack the perspective of Nguyen's culpability and forget that Singapore did not instigate the present controversy - rather, Singapore is reacting to a crime with good-faith application of its long-established laws.
Have some Australians forgotten that Nguyen carried out an activity whose only possible outcome would be to harm the people of Australia? The country is his adopted homeland, it is the place that welcomed and supported his family fleeing Vietnam.
What makes his crime even more egregious is that he knew, first-hand, the harm that heroin can inflict on a family because his twin brother Khoa was an addict - yet he sought out the trafficking job, knowing full well that he would facilitate the pain of drugs he experienced upon other families.
Compare Nguyen's intended harm to Australia with Singapore's law enforcement: Looking at it with emotional detachment, Singapore's mandatory death penalty for drug trafficking, if anything, helps Australia.
By deterring traffickers from going through Singapore, a major transit point between heroin-growing regions and Australia, drug suppliers would have a much more difficult time distributing their poisons.
Singapore did not start the controversy, Nguyen did. Singapore has had its death penalty on the books for the past few decades. The country is enforcing the death penalty on Nguyen just as it had for hundreds of other criminals. This is nothing new.
Yet only now are some Australians attacking Singapore at a fever pitch-when the law is being enforced against an Australian.
Warren K. Woo
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As for this...
Well I just hope you never make a stupid mistake Simon.Originally posted by Simon Dean:
bye bye -
adios Nguyen..
lets hope he dies fast with his neck bone cracked.. dun want to see those failed attempts n he slowly suffocates to death look on the bright side...mmm... gee.. cant think of any.. lol -
RIP to the fellow.If he has repented, he will find salvation.
Anyway, it is interesting to note that the Misuse of Drugs Act has no heading in the law that says
" Be it enacted by the President with the advice and consent of the Parliament of Singapore, as follows."
Under Article 60 of our Constitution, any law to be deemed valid in Singapore is required to have this header.
Every statute enacted by Parliament is required to have this header and it is highly debatable whether this law, without an authorising header, is actually even Constitutional.It's important that this issue be addressed, because we have been arresting and executing people under a law that does not even have a header that should basically empower the Act.
Quite a few other laws also lack this header.Can anyone well-versed in law explain why this so?
Also see
Article 60 Singapore's Constitution
http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/non_version/cgi-bin/cgi_getdata.pl?actno=1999-REVED-CONST&doctitle=CONSTITUTION%20OF%20THE%20REPUBLIC%20OF%20SINGAPORE%0a&date=latest&method=part&segid=931158660-001483#931158660-001899
Misuse of Drugs Act
http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/non_version/cgi-bin/cgi_getdata.pl?actno=2001-REVED-185&doctitle=MISUSE%20OF%20DRUGS%20ACT%0a&date=latest&method=part&segid=997496625-000004#997496625-000004
Lawyer who attempted to use this evidence to block the hanging,
http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,17435230%255E421,00.html -
Is that supposed to be funny???Originally posted by BadzMaro:
adios Nguyen..
lets hope he dies fast with his neck bone cracked.. dun want to see those failed attempts n he slowly suffocates to death look on the bright side...mmm... gee.. cant think of any.. lol
It's sad to see a young life put to an end. It's also sad to see why he did it in the first place.
But knowing very well the consequences of his actions, is not forgivable. I do not understand why the Australians can't see why the death sentence was imposed for drug offenses. For them, maybe a wrecked family is a normal thing.
Countries such as Singapore imposed the mandatory death sentence mainly as a deterent. However, some idiots still try their luck. Never, did we proclaim that the population here is drug-free. But certainly it's much better than in countries where drug related problems are viewed with a closed eye.
Would be interesting to see what the layperson of Australia thinks of the death sentence for drug offences. Would also be interesting to know their feelings if someone in their family was involved in drugs. How would they handle such situation? -
Australia is a beautiful country with wonderful people.
They condone the young fooling around with drugs, becoming addicts, and drug mules. And when caught, the countrymen will be up in arms and demand that the other country change their law to suit their countrymen's mentality of the world.
And when the other country does not change its ruling, they will make a hero and martyr of the criminal.
I don't really care if Aussies change their minds about Singapore because my opinion of the these Aussies is of an all time low.
No wonder so many drug couriers in the region are Australians! -
Yeah, now even teachers from Australia are bringing drugs.
Well done Australia! -
What a disgusting piece of so-called humour. I am highly revolted by this piece of crap which you posted.Originally posted by BadzMaro:
adios Nguyen..
lets hope he dies fast with his neck bone cracked.. dun want to see those failed attempts n he slowly suffocates to death look on the bright side...mmm... gee.. cant think of any.. lol
Poking fun at the execution of a person is not a joke, regardless of the fact that Nguyen is a drug trafficker. You may feel safe and empowered saying all this while hiding behind that computer screen of yours.... well, try telling that to Nguyen's loved ones in the face.
Bet you don't have the gonads to do that. So please do humanity a favour and shut up. -
Who's talking about theirs? Its ours, Singapore's one we're talking about.Originally posted by Simon Dean:i dont trust their local media
infact i pry into their forums and read their disgusting comments
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I was hoping for a rally or something so I can take the morning off due to bad traffic.Originally posted by yourma:awright, maybe flags burning tomorrow?