Australia treating Nguyen like a martyr
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I am not forcing my moral values on you and you're not bounded by my moral values as well. What I am asking of you is to be a little bit more sensitive when it comes to the issue of death. Maybe to you the death of someone you don't know is something which can be laughed at. Well, I can tell you that it isn't going to be funny when it hits closer to home.Originally posted by BadzMaro:why should i do humanity a lesson and be bound by ur rules and principles ? i am not bound by ur moral values. U dun like my so called humour then maybe he shouldnt post at chit-chat for me to poke fun at. If u dun like it.. why not u do me a favour and shut up.
you can think all u wnt about me being all empowerd hiding behind the screen.. i am just like u. another person behind a computer screen. but frankly.. i am not u. People die.. so what ? i dun see u crying for the somalians.
I am not crying for the Somalis (it's 'Somalis' by the way, not 'Somalians'), but I am by no means poking fun of them either.
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although i'm pretty on about the hanging.....i feel sad for the family....not for nguyen..he deserve it...but his family..they dont deserve it....
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Hi,
Nguyen was executed cos that's the law. Don't say this execution lacks compassion. Rules are rules. The law was designed deliberately without compassion for drug traffickers. It was intentional.
Should u craft a law which show compassion for drug traffickers? How would u answer this question? It is Singapore Gov's stand since long ago not to, but instead to be extra firm. Capital punishment.
This, in my opinion is what makes Singapore what it is today.
Australia on the other hand is different. Some think the death penalty is outdated no matter what the crime is. And some think individuals are responsible adults free to excercise their own choices including on drugs.
This is why their society is more permissive towards drugs. And why many are angry on this Nguyen getting the death penalty. Of course, firstly he is just a drug trafficker, a rather tolerated crime. Secondly he is punished with the barbaric outdated death penalty. The punishment didn't fit the crime. They are outraged. Plus of course he is punished in a foreign land and his mother is very saddened on TV all the time.
What they seem to forget, is that different societies install different laws. Who are they to judge that Nguyen is getting an excessive punishment? Are they the ones who install such rules? It's another society altogether! Different society with different values. Who are they to say it's barbaric and unfitting the crime? Who the hell are they?!
You come to my house, u obey my house rules. I come to your house, I obey your house rules. It's a simple principle observed everywhere by everyone in this world. You don't come to my house and break my rules and then say I am barbaric.
To have sympathy is good. But misplaced sympathy is not. If you have sympathy for Nguyen or his mum, don't let it distort your brain. The law must take its course. If not, might as well conduct trials in TV studios, not courtrooms, and let the public decide through SMS votes. Whoever has the most sorry looking Mum will get the lightest sentence. -
Damn true about the first part.There is too much jingoism and extremism.The guy is dead and people can still dick around like it's the joke of the day.Originally posted by Weirdo80:Ugh, reading these forums really shows the horrible side of Singaporeans. No compassion, joking about death. Makes me sick to the stomach and damned ashamed to be called a Singaporean.
People are not pissed off about the hanging so much as being dulan about the lack of compassion that this horrible speck in the ocean has.
I tell you, someday all this will come back and bite Singapore. What makes it even worse is the fact that I spent 2.5 yrs serving the regime that funds Burmese drug lords. And here the politicians are, trying to be all high and mighty while stuffing their coffers with drug money. Sickening!
Barbaric?Some of the black sheep in our nation certainly gave that to us. -
"The law must take its course. If not, might as well conduct trials in TV studios, not courtrooms, and let the public decide through SMS votes."
If the death sentence is mandatory, and he pleaded guilty, why have a trial at all? -
Because otherwise we would sink to the level of vigilantism. Even though he pleaded guilty and the sentencing is mandatory, he still has to be put through a proper trial in order to get all the facts of the case right and to listen to his side of the story in order to show fairness on our part.Originally posted by wallabyBob:"The law must take its course. If not, might as well conduct trials in TV studios, not courtrooms, and let the public decide through SMS votes."
If the death sentence is mandatory, and he pleaded guilty, why have a trial at all?
You may say that the death penalty isn't fair, but hey, that was the path he chose. -
our economic success apart we have a damn bad reputation in this region.Originally posted by Weirdo80:Ugh, reading these forums really shows the horrible side of Singaporeans. No compassion, joking about death. Makes me sick to the stomach and damned ashamed to be called a Singaporean.
People are not pissed off about the hanging so much as being dulan about the lack of compassion that this horrible speck in the ocean has.
I tell you, someday all this will come back and bite Singapore. What makes it even worse is the fact that I spent 2.5 yrs serving the regime that funds Burmese drug lords. And here the politicians are, trying to be all high and mighty while stuffing their coffers with drug money. Sickening! -
Hmm.
Morality in the present vs Future international security.
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Li ka shing, I agree with you.
I particularly like the "You come to my house, u obey my house rules. I come to your house, I obey your house rules. " part.
No one can say one is totally right or wrong but if you choose to come to Singapore with drugs on you, get ready to face the consequence. Be man enough. -
Totally untrue. I disagree with you.Originally posted by dragg:our economic success apart we have a damn bad reputation in this region.
My colleagues in Asia disagrees too
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I dont think he had a trial at all. He just pleaded guilty if I'm not wrong. And if you look at the Misuse of Drugs Act, it's mainly based on presumptions. So there appears to be a reversal of the burden of proof. That's generally abhorrent in the civilised world. Really, the Prosecution should ideally have to work a lot harder for some of the convictions they secure - based on guilty pleas. They do seem to get these too cheaply, through the use of presumptions instead of actually having to prove their case in Court.Originally posted by wallabyBob:"The law must take its course. If not, might as well conduct trials in TV studios, not courtrooms, and let the public decide through SMS votes."
If the death sentence is mandatory, and he pleaded guilty, why have a trial at all? -
I dont think he had a trial at all. He just pleaded guilty if I'm not wrong. And if you look at the Misuse of Drugs Act, it's mainly based on presumptions. So there appears to be a reversal of the burden of proof. That's generally abhorrent in the civilised world. Really, the Prosecution should ideally have to work a lot harder for some of the convictions they secure - based on guilty pleas. They do seem to get these too cheaply, through the use of presumptions instead of actually having to prove their case in Court.Originally posted by wallabyBob:"The law must take its course. If not, might as well conduct trials in TV studios, not courtrooms, and let the public decide through SMS votes."
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Actually that's not quite correct. There is a lot of coverage in the Australian press about the American death row. Not a lot of it is supportive and some is quite critical. Might be a good idea to take the head out of the *** and have a look at what's going on before jumping to that conclusion.Originally posted by Simon Dean:they IRA or something?they pray for someone attempting to send drugs to harm people.
U.S also executes people but i dont see them making a chicken shit outta it, bloody bootlickers