Water Margin (Chinese Robin Hood)
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i got the book but i never read it..
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Originally posted by babymac13:
"The Water Margin" is a story of outlaws, hence it is unlikely there would be any officially documented history about the characters. Most of the events in the book are passed down as common folklore by word of mouth (hence perhaps the addition of some mumbo-jumbo to make things more interesting to mainstream listeners at that time), while the rest came from the writers themselves.
It might be true story or frictional i dun really know, but i did came across some of other classic like Yang Warriors or Taiping Kingdom, they did say about the descendent of some of the Water Margin's heros.
Chao Kai move around the entire china to fight war? Well, I always thought they stay in Liang Shan Po as a self-ruling teritory, i dun think they move around to fight wars, unless u r talking to about the final war where they help to fight for govt.
Realistic fiction would omit the "magic" by luo zhen ren and that courier guy (tai zong i i remember correctly). I don't remember who Luo Zhen Ren, maybe u can update me on this. But i do remember there's a emperor called Tang Tai Zong in Tang dantasy.
Well, suddenly came across my mind and i feel that it was not a frictional story as i remember there's a documentry about this water margin, where their fort and houses are preserved for historical value.
Though there could be some historical authenticity in the locations and characters like Song Jiang mentioned in the book, these are still being questioned by historians as uprisings and rebellions were common during the tumultuous end of the Northern Song dynasty, so the presence of outlaw forts could not really prove that the events in the book actually took place.
Personally one would rather think of it as a partially-fictitous story set in a historical background. Maybe half of the things in the book could really have existed and did happen, so the other half would have to come through using creative license, either by the writers or by the folks who passed down the stories. -
Take a flight to HK and look for charlieOriginally posted by nightzip:So where's Zhu Ying Tai?
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hahahahhaha
are u all reading the original??? -
Originally posted by Icemoon:
"The Golden Lotus" was written later than "The Water Margin". It originated from a chapter "Wu Song kills sister-in-law" in the earlier book.
Part of the Jin Ping Mei story is subsumed into the Water Margin. We find Simon, Pan and Wu Dalang in the latter.
Jin Ping Mei's author had a funny name - Lan2 Ling2 Xiao4 Xiao4 Sheng1. Xiao4 Xiao4 is laugh laugh in chinese.
Due to its risque content, the book was banned when it was first published. Officials tried to track down the author, and Lan Ling Xiao Xiao Sheng was a pseudonym the latter used to protect his identity at that time. -
I read it bout 10 yrs ago .....Originally posted by FireIce:hahahahhaha
are u all reading the original???
wish i still have such time to read all this again.
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Y not post this book in "market place"Originally posted by stellazio:i got the book but i never read it.. -
the shi nai'an original script?
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Fireice.. what is considered the original?? haha
As far as I know, in REAL history, there is a person called Song Jiang and they were bandits at Liang Shan Po. However, the REAL history is actually a group of about 10-30 men unlike 108 as mentioned in Water Margin. How real this real history is i also dunno. haha
If you look at it, lots of stories occur during the Song Dynasty but if you read them, they have conflicting mentions of one another.
Yang Warriors occur early Song.
Water Margin later Northern Song. There is some mention that Yang Zhi is the descendant of the Yang Warriors.
Legend of the Condor Heros, supposedly happening around the same time there was Yue Fei. But this is a purely fiction story.
Yue Fei, there are some mention of Water Margin heros helping out while the Northern Song is in trouble. BUt how could this happen when Water Margin is fiction??
Bao Gong (Justice Bao). The stories of Bao Gong spans over 3-4 emperors. How did Justice Bao maintain his "youth" through out?
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i edited this post....
did not know chinese simplified is not supported. haha. -
Originally posted by Ponders:
The venerable monk Ji Gong lived during the Southern Song dynasty. Yes, he was a real person, though his legendary powers could have been exaggerated in folklore.
Is Ji Gong during Song too?? -
imo, the whole liang shan is let down by song jiang...
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well never got around to read this book but played the game by koei a long time ago. Really nice game and most of the characters have pretty nice and interesting nick name like eg Song Jiang :Ji shi yu (The welcome rain)
And liang Shan Po is an island?
I thought it is some hill/mountain region that the bandits settled upon to plan their uprising? -
water argin?funny.sucks
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I prefer watching Romance of the 3 Kingdoms! My favourite character is Guan Kong! (though I like to use Zhuge Liang in the Knights of Valour game ). Too bad he met with a sad ending!
Zhang Fei is very strong and fierce too, but he's more towards the barbaric side. Guan Kong is like the Chinese equivilent of a samurai! -
ya the game by koei, simple yet nice to play, unlike the present complicated games, i still play whenever i was bored, but i hate the part that you have to execute gao qiu before the year the northern babarians invade....Originally posted by Aveme:well never got around to read this book but played the game by koei a long time ago. Really nice game and most of the characters have pretty nice and interesting nick name like eg Song Jiang :Ji shi yu (The welcome rain)
And liang Shan Po is an island?
I thought it is some hill/mountain region that the bandits settled upon to plan their uprising? -
Is 3-4 emperors meh? I always tot it is around the time of Renzong.Originally posted by Ponders:Bao Gong (Justice Bao). The stories of Bao Gong spans over 3-4 emperors. How did Justice Bao maintain his "youth" through out? -
sorrie.... moi mistake... mixed up with Yang Yan Zhao. hahahOriginally posted by Icemoon:Is 3-4 emperors meh? I always tot it is around the time of Renzong.
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the series on tv ended last week, quite facinated by the story but i think lots of parts are missing and there are some not entirely true. So went to the library to look for that pictorial series of water margins but cant find it anymore. Think i will make a visit to shan dong, china soon, some tour packages offer a trip to this liang shan marsh, so whether its fiction or non fiction, i will know it after the tour...