Stunning Evidence Shows That We Don't EXIST
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are you using "Proceed and Retrieve"?
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nvm that we dont exists for if we dont exists, so does the universe so nothing in this world exists so we dont stand to lose anything(Humans are greedy and wants everything remember?)
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the story who would be such an idiot to go analyse word by word and try to figure out what it means..
anyway, you would know whether we exist or not once we're dead. -
Thank you SixSentinels for sharing this valuable insight with us which I fully agree. Quantums physics and modern science has been making many discoveries lately and as people examine further into the fabric of reality they'll find that it dissolves. It is true that the entire universe is empty, all phenomenas are empty, and only our illusions and grasping that thinks otherwise.
http://www.thebigview.com/buddhism/index.html - Click on Emptiness to see the various aspects of Emptiness
The emptiness of matter.
The ancient Greeks believed that matter is composed of indivisible small elements with certain characteristics, such as the characteristics of earth, water, air, and fire. They called these elements atoms and they held that atoms were solid and fundamental, like microscopic billiard balls. Ernest Rutherford invalidated the billiard ball theory by conducting an experiment, which suggested that atoms have an internal structure. He established that atoms have a nucleus containing most of its mass and that electrons orbit the nucleus. Moreover, he established that the nucleus of an atom is only about one ten-thousandth of the diameter of the atom itself, which means that 99.99% of the atom's volume consists of empty space. This is the first manifestation of emptiness at the subtle level of matter. Not long after Rutherford's discovery, physicists found out that the nucleus of an atom likewise has an internal structure and that the protons and neutrons making up the nucleus are composed of even smaller particles, which they named quarks after a poem of James Joyce. Interestingly, quarks are hypothesised as geometrical points in space, which implies that atoms are essentially empty. This is the second manifestation of emptiness at the subtle level of matter.
The terms "quarks" and "points in space" still suggest something solid, since they can be imagined as irreducible mass particles. Yet, quantum field theory does away even with this finer concept of solidity by explaining particles in the terms of field properties. Quantum electrodynamics (QED) has produced an amazingly successful theory of matter by combining quantum theory, classical field theory, and relativity. No discrepancies between the predictions of QED and experimental observation have ever been found. According to QED, subatomic particles are indistinguishable from fields, whereas fields are basically properties of space. In this view, a particle is a temporary local densification of a field, which is conditioned by the properties of the surrounding space. Ergo, matter is not different from space. This is the third manifestation of emptiness at the subtle level of matter.
An important class of phenomena in the subatomic world is defined by the various interactions between particles. In fact, there is no clear distinction between the notions of phenomena, particles, and interactions, although interactions can be described clearly in mathematical terms. For example, there are interactions between free electrons by means of photons that result in an observed repelling force. There are also interactions between the quarks of a nucleon by means of mesons, interactions between the neighbouring neutrons or protons, interactions between nucleus and electrons, and interactions between the atoms of molecules. The phenomena themselves -the nucleon, the nucleus, the atom, the molecule- are sufficiently described by these interactions, meaning by the respective equations, which implies that interactions and phenomena are interchangeable terms. Interestingly, the interrelations of quantum physics do not describe actual existence. Instead they predict the potential for existence. A manifest particle, such as an electron, cannot be described in terms of classical mechanics. It exists as a multitude of superposed "scenarios", of which one or another manifests only when it is observed, i.e. upon measurement. Therefore, matter does not inherently exist. It exists only as interrelations of "empty" phenomena whose properties are determined by observation. This is the fourth manifestation of emptiness at the subtle level of matter.
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Likewise, since it is a group of fingers,
The hand itself is not a single entity.
And so it is with fingers, made of joints;
And joints themselves consist of many parts.
These parts themselves will break down into atoms,
And atoms will divide according to direction.
These fragments, too, will also fall to nothing.
Thus atoms are like empty space—they have no real existence. - Shantideva
I would also like to share another insightful and interesting article: The Universe as a Hologram - Holographic Reality -
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Originally posted by charlize:10 .... words ... or ... less ...
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ASHIENE WOULD YOU JUST SHUT THE F*CKING HELL UP ABOUT THE UNIVERSE AND YOUR ATHEISM?
We get it! You have some weird ideas that are just totally f*cked up!
First you tell me that we come from some primordial soup sh!t and you say that we humans react on instincts and other crap and NOW you say that we don't exist?
F*CK!
LISTEN buddy. If I didn't exist then would I still be here to type this thing?
If we didn't exist then WTF is this all about?
You are just FULL OF CRAP...
People like you destroy imagination, crush morals, and ruin the uniqueness of the human race.
U belong together with the Kumars and Laotaozi.
U disgust me. I have no more to say.
PS: For plagiarism you can get into deep sh!t. Just letting you know. Things like copyrights DO exist, you know? -
harnorOriginally posted by charlize:10 .... words ... or ... less ...
Please.
I read until my eyes protuding liao
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SixSentinels, which is the original version? yours or MATRIX? Make into a movie like MATRIX can make a lot of $$$ you know? Anyway, I did not finish your story...very loso
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interesting leh...
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He's ashiene!?!?Originally posted by gr2012:ASHIENE WOULD YOU JUST SHUT THE F*CKING HELL UP ABOUT THE UNIVERSE AND YOUR ATHEISM? -
I think you misunderstood it. It means that ultimately there is no independant inherently existing entity. Therefore in fact it is not you who are typing this thing, and only appears that it is an entity called 'I' that is typing. There is no contradictions. Then how can typing occur without someone typing.. there is no why, it simply is, and appeared to be an I typing. In reality there is only typing and no typer. It is really simple but only appear difficult to understand when you are attached to a particular idea or concept. We are too often obsessed with our thoughts and think that there is truly an existing self. But it does not mean that everything is a void, emptiness does not mean non-existence. It means all is dependantly arisen with no inherent existence.
If I didn't exist then would I still be here to type this thing?
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...As individual selfs, we only perceive our own thoughts... or rather we are these thoughts.
My opinion is that all of us are individual containments within a vast/infinite 'body' of All that is. We are all one... and are different expressions (reciever) of the ONE.
When thinking, we perceive ourselves as separate beings. When the thinking mind is stilled (no thoughts/Now), we realised what emanated the thoughts... It appears to me as a 'bright' energetic vastness. This infinite vastness is us... we all meet here.
Suffering appears to me to be the thoughts... that creates a 'personalised sense of self'. It is the personalised sense of self that gave 'meaning' to the invisible vastness. In the vastness, there appears to me ... 'no meaning'.
I must say... I have not entered into these experiences long enough to give more concrete answers....
so these are just my understanding at current stage... - longchen -
Again this is a misconception... emptiness does not mean we are all void... and do not think therefore there is no more moral obligations, because the cause and effect still occurs.Originally posted by Gasfene:nvm that we dont exists for if we dont exists, so does the universe so nothing in this world exists so we dont stand to lose anything(Humans are greedy and wants everything remember?)
And if one can perceive the emptiness of phenomena then he will not be vexed by craving and desires for things and shall remain liberated. Getting rid of all this illusions is to become liberated and experience this bliss. Doesnt mean everyone become monks and nuns because I personally know of many disillusioned, enlightened people who are also very rich.. but they are not obsessed over these, they are constantly liberated and if they lose their money they will not suffer either.
They see things as they truly are - empty of substance, therefore he is the winner among the winners, having money yet not entangled by them. In this way there is naturally no lose, because if these are empty, he did not felt he has 'gained' anything. -
YAY. we don't exist.
hm... well, this is quite a deep topic. personally i think... we're not totally non-existant. because, if we are, then, the illusion is pointless.
why illuse something that isn't there?
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It can't be! My whole life is a LIE! Its a LIE ALL ALONG! My whole life is a freaking ILLUSION!! I DON't EXIST and NEVER did! OMGWTFLOLBBQ..
Happy now six sentinels?
On a more serious note to An Eternal Now, i kinda get what you mean on the emptiness part. Thing is its hard to convince people that everything is an illusion. Some people will think that its just some crackpot theory. Even for those who believe, most likely they won't find a use for it... -
omg all these bullsh1t. really they watch too much matrix. even if we dont exist, WTF U GONNA FUKIN DO ABOUT IT???
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we might not exist...
bt since we feel we exist...
why dun we make the best out of our false existance if the writer were to meant. -
That is sadly because they have forgotten their true nature and forgotten what it means to be blissful. They are ignorant and lost themselves in samsara seeking and craving endlessly and even doing immoral acts.Originally posted by DriftingGuy:On a more serious note to An Eternal Now, i kinda get what you mean on the emptiness part. Thing is its hard to convince people that everything is an illusion. Some people will think that its just some crackpot theory. Even for those who believe, most likely they won't find a use for it...
In time to come society will be seeking ways to find bliss and liberation because they cannot find it from the things they sought for.
All the things I said may sound very theoretical but if we can truly perceive and practise emptiness it has a world of its own. Don't wait until disaster strikes or you're lying on death bed to 'ling2 shi2 bao4 fo2 jiao3'. If we cannot be liberated now don't see death as a liberation cos it won't be.
Buddhists 'really are happier
"We can now hypothesise with some confidence that those apparently happy, calm Buddhist souls one regularly comes across in places such as Dharamsala, India, really are happy," said Professor Owen Flanagan, of Duke University in North Carolina.
"There is something about conscientious Buddhist practice that results in the kind of happiness we all seek"
Paul Ekman,
University of California San Francisco Medical Centre
Why? Because Nirvana is the highest bliss as the Buddha has said.
I am not promoting religion here, because everyone is able to be liberated. Everyone can live blissfully as long as they are disillusioned. -
lucky im becoming a buddhist soon...
cos i believe in buddha...
and what they teach, last minute hug buddha leg... -
haiyo...
10 words or less --- "I think, therefore I exist" - Descartes (2nd Meditation)
Put it simply, if "I" am thinking, "I" am the author of that thought. Hence "I" exist! -
I think, therefore I am still does not answer the question as to WHO this 'I' is.Originally posted by acrunius:haiyo...
10 words or less --- "I think, therefore I exist" - Descartes (2nd Meditation)
Put it simply, if "I" am thinking, "I" am the author of that thought. Hence "I" exist!
If you practise Zen, you are given a koan by your zen master. And you constantly keep this koan in mind, keep on investigating...
WHO is chanting the Buddha? WHO.... investigate until you reach a breakthrough and realise your 'Original Face'. -
Hmm... is that what Buddha taught..?Originally posted by eClipseRain:lucky im becoming a buddhist soon...
cos i believe in buddha...
and what they teach, last minute hug buddha leg...
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I do not see why does Heisenbergs Uncertainty Principle makes us all an illusion.
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Hi,
I respectfully request for a summation, please.
Executive Summary.
Sorry, I'm not able to allocate my scarce resource of limited brain power.
Your kind help is much appreciated, sir. -
I realize that Singaporeans are developing a shorter attention span, while most people are becoming very ignorant to the fact that the world is not as simple as it seems.