Stunning Evidence Shows That We Don't EXIST
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what we know and believe now may not be what we know and believe in the future. as time passes, new theories are formed, old theories are being thrashed aside, new discoveries are being made. you have to understand that all the information we have now makes up less than 1% of the total amount of information still awaiting us to discover in this vast universe(s)
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I realize that Singaporeans are developing a shorter attention span, while most people are becoming very ignorant to the fact that the world is not as simple as it seems.
Give me a break! Wait up! Hello, are you there???
No offence, I think you must be very free (same as me lah!), has lots of time to burn...er I mean "think". I am sure you will "wake up" one day and realize every thing around you is real! Wow, very cruel you know?
I was wondering if everybody think like you, what would happen to the World. But again...we don't exist anyway. Wah liao! I am confuse! Can somebody wait me up!!! Just plug the damn $@%$!^ out from my brain! -
i think alot of scientists r utter quacks. loonies hahahahahaha.
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alot of the theories that scientists come up with r utter nonsence.
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The emptiness of matter? being empty doesnt mean you dont exist. just like you say a house is empty but it doesnt mean the house doesnt exist -
see... unknowingly, you have already acknowledged that "I" exist. Hence we do exist. Not like wat the title says.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:I think, therefore I am still does not answer the question as to WHO this 'I' is.
If you practise Zen, you are given a koan by your zen master. And you constantly keep this koan in mind, keep on investigating...
WHO is chanting the Buddha? WHO.... investigate until you reach a breakthrough and realise your 'Original Face'.
your concern is with "who is [I]?" not "do [I] exist?" -
even though i agree that we are all forms of emptiness, i think we should stop talking about all these things here, this is not the correct place to. if ppl here can't accept wat these things are, talking about emptiness will only result in anger
but of course...anger does not truely exist
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smlj...
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tryin 2 act pro sia..
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Really sorry for bumping this up, but I did not realise you have replied.Originally posted by acrunius:see... unknowingly, you have already acknowledged that "I" exist. Hence we do exist. Not like wat the title says.
your concern is with "who is [I]?" not "do [I] exist?"
Same investigation. But why not 'Do I exist'? Because if you ask 'do I exist', there is still a conceptual answer 'YES' or 'NO'. During realisation it is intuitive and direct, no need for conceptual answer, the realisation will reveal to you the innermost reality that trascends the self and all conceptuality and perceptions. Logical reasoning cannot lead to an answer, it only leads to assumptions and self delusion.
You need to find out what this "I" is, the practise of constantly investigating the koan eventually it will bring the mind beyond conceptuality and a breakthrough, and you will realise that the ego is illusional. Am I the body? If the hand is me, then if I cut it away where is the I? Keep on investigating, you will realise the 5 senses and the mind you use to perceive, there is no I, no perceiver, only the awareness remains.
This is just one of the zen approaches and you need to receive instructions from a teacher. For me I do not practise this particular method. -
cogito ergo sum
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From: The Universe as a Hologram - Holographic Reality
The above article is a rather interesting read, from a scientific point of view, that explains how we are illusioned to think of ourselves as being individual and seperate entities.
a friend Longchen:Thanks Ashiene for the very interesting articles. Smile
I also too feels that our perception of the universe is a hologram... and that the hologram itself is thoughts.
As individual selfs, we only perceive our own thoughts... or rather we are these thoughts.
My opinion is that all of us are individual containments within a vast/infinite 'body' of All that is. We are all one... and are different expressions (reciever) of the ONE.
When thinking, we perceive ourselves as separate beings. When the thinking mind is stilled (no thoughts/Now), we realised what emanated the thoughts... It appears to me as a 'bright' energetic vastness. This infinite vastness is us... we all meet here.
Suffering appears to me to be the thoughts... that creates a 'personalised sense of self'. It is the personalised sense of self that gave 'meaning' to the invisible vastness. In the vastness, there appears to me ... 'no meaning'.
I must say... I have not entered into these experiences long enough to give more concrete answers....
so these are just my understanding at current stage. -
If we don't exist how can we post now...... Tio bo?
I think u REALLY need professional help la boy! -
It is really an assumption, because we are so used to thinking that there is an 'I' that is doing the posting.Originally posted by Komon:If we don't exist how can we post now...... Tio bo?
I think u REALLY need professional help la boy!
It doesnt mean all are void and a blankness, but it just means that it is not what we think is the 'self' that is typing.
as i posted previously: I think you misunderstood it. It means that ultimately there is no independant inherently existing entity. Therefore in fact it is not you who are typing this thing, and only appears that it is an entity called 'I' that is typing. There is no contradictions. Then how can typing occur without someone typing.. there is no why, it simply is, and appeared to be an I typing. In reality there is only typing and no typer. It is really simple but only appear difficult to understand when you are attached to a particular idea or concept. We are too often obsessed with our thoughts and think that there is truly an existing self. But it does not mean that everything is a void, emptiness does not mean non-existence. It means all is dependantly arisen with no inherent existence.
Another analogy, you think that 5 seconds ago, it was the same YOU. You think there is a same thing that is continuing but in reality... it is not. It is ungraspable, from the day you start walking you are taught your name was "... ..." and everytime identify yourself with the name. But -
Life (Self) is nothing other than the continuous flow of the Now Moment.
The Now Moment ceases as it arises. This moment must completely ceased
and serves as the CAUSE for the next moment to arise.
Therefore Self is a process of series Self1, Self2, Self3, Self4, Self5, Self6...etc
A fixed entity 'Self' does not exist, what really exists is a momentary Self.
Under deep meditation, one is able to observe and sense the karmic and mental factors from moment to moment,
it is these factors that are succeeded from moment to moment and life and life but not a fixed entity.
When the karmic and mental factors subsides, it is known as "The True and Only (and Inherently egoless) Conscious Light (Itself)".
- Thusness
Similarly, you might think there is really a thing called an "ICE CUBE". It has a definite shape of a Cube. It looks very real and solid - like its a seperate entity from the rest. Let's do an experiment. Put it the ice cube into the water, after some time, help me find back the Ice Cube. Is it somewhere in the water? Where is it? Can you find it out for me now?
Written by longchen too:In one 'awakening' meditation, I came to a state of no thoughts. Such experiences are very hard to describe. This is because the explanation process itself, is within the medium of thoughts and concepts. It is impossible to describe a state of no thoughts using thoughts! Anyway, in the void of no thoughts, one naturally assume that everything must be an unconscious blank. However, that was not the case! What came next was quite a revelation to me. In the void of no thought, I realise myself to be an omni Presence... Here's how I will describe him.
"The Presence is all pervasive, yet un-intrusive. IT seems to be in all things and observes with utter passiveness. IT exists beyond concepts, beliefs and do not need any form. Therefore, I understand IT as eternal. IT also seems to be the subtler state of myself. I also got the feeling that IT existed in all my lifetimes or even more. If I were to name IT, I will describe IT as The Eternal Presence."
I believed the Eternal Presence is the God/Source Presence within oneself. This Presence is also called the Absolute, Dharmakaya. The paradox of it, is that is this not an object and is absolutely material-less.
About the Presence, it is ever present for it is us beyond the mind. You didn't see it doesn't means it is not there.
The God Presence is within us and more and IS us; always, even at this moment. This is the part that is simply pure awareness. -
And so we lived happily ever after.
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Hmm...Originally posted by An Eternal Now:I think you misunderstood it. It means that ultimately there is no independant inherently existing entity. Therefore in fact it is not you who are typing this thing, and only appears that it is an entity called 'I' that is typing. There is no contradictions. Then how can typing occur without someone typing.. there is no why, it simply is, and appeared to be an I typing. In reality there is only typing and no typer. It is really simple but only appear difficult to understand when you are attached to a particular idea or concept. We are too often obsessed with our thoughts and think that there is truly an existing self. But it does not mean that everything is a void, emptiness does not mean non-existence. It means all is dependantly arisen with no inherent existence.
...As individual selfs, we only perceive our own thoughts... or rather we are these thoughts.
My opinion is that all of us are individual containments within a vast/infinite 'body' of All that is. We are all one... and are different expressions (reciever) of the ONE.
When thinking, we perceive ourselves as separate beings. When the thinking mind is stilled (no thoughts/Now), we realised what emanated the thoughts... It appears to me as a 'bright' energetic vastness. This infinite vastness is us... we all meet here.
Suffering appears to me to be the thoughts... that creates a 'personalised sense of self'. It is the personalised sense of self that gave 'meaning' to the invisible vastness. In the vastness, there appears to me ... 'no meaning'.
I must say... I have not entered into these experiences long enough to give more concrete answers....
so these are just my understanding at current stage... - longchen -
X 2.Originally posted by tIfosI:I do not see why does Heisenbergs Uncertainty Principle makes us all an illusion.
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And just how do you know that it's the latter and not the former which might leads you to assumptions and self delusion...?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Really sorry for bumping this up, but I did not realise you have replied.
Same investigation. But why not 'Do I exist'? Because if you ask 'do I exist', there is still a conceptual answer 'YES' or 'NO'. During realisation it is intuitive and direct, no need for conceptual answer, the realisation will reveal to you the innermost reality that trascends the self and all conceptuality and perceptions. Logical reasoning cannot lead to an answer, it only leads to assumptions and self delusion.
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Hmm... It's not a purely 'scientific' point of view, but rather a hypothetical one.... Likewise, there're many of such other articles which exist around... Nonetheless, I agree with you that it can be quite an interesting read... (provided that you don't get too carried away by the possible implications of it...?)Originally posted by An Eternal Now:From: The Universe as a Hologram - Holographic Reality
The above article is a rather interesting read, from a scientific point of view, that explains how we are illusioned to think of ourselves as being individual and seperate entities.
a friend Longchen: -
Hmm... Can I ask a question?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
So in your opinion, what is the 'absolute'? -
WTF?!?!?! You copied and pasted an article in this thread, made no references to the original author, and never stated your intentions of this thread until your quote above many replies down.Originally posted by SixSentinels:this thread has been started to bombard the writer (not me) with insults and criticisms. of coz i dont believe everything he writes, coz hes assuming EVERYthing he says is right, which is NOT true. Its 12 noon, have you woken up yet? -
So since you are dead and don't exist, please try to convice as many people as possible but more importantly ask these people to donate all their assets to my name: casino_king of sgforums.Originally posted by SixSentinels:[b]Where do things go when they ?wink out?? Nowhere! They cease to exist!
When the scientist do the experiments, it is not to support any religious theory. So don't be too happy and too quick to use it.
If you tellme that worrying is not going to change anything, that might be useful information. Just as I will tell you, knowing quantum physics theories will not change reality until such time as when a quantum computer comes into existence and we have a new toy to play with. -
Originally posted by casino_king:So since you are dead and don't exist, please try to convice as many people as possible but more importantly ask these people to donate all their assets to my name: casino_king of sgforums.
When the scientist do the experiments, it is not to support any religious theory. So don't be too happy and too quick to use it.
If you tellme that worrying is not going to change anything, that might be useful information. Just as I will tell you, knowing quantum physics theories will not change reality until such time as when a quantum computer comes into existence and we have a new toy to play with.