Did the U.S. government attacked its own country on 9/11?
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maybe it happened.
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moon landing fake
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They have no incentive to catch osama at all even if they know where he is hiding.Originally posted by sinicker:so please remember, where is osama?
where is the WMD?
With osama around somewhere, there is justification in invading other countries for the sake of stopping terrorists. Kinda like creating a boogeyman.
Without him, how to "bomb first, talk later"?
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maybe mushariff is deliberately thwarting the americans from finding osama.
the americans pay a lot just to use the pakistan parking lot, with the americans around it provide a good livelihood for the people of pakistan. Not to mention better water and sanitation when before it was non-existent.
Pakistani extremists and terrorists now have a reason to operate
Americans have a reason to catch them so also need to stay in pakistan
Pakistani opium growers now improve better customer relations, before they need to ship it, now they just need to deliver it on a bicycle and save the shipping cost.
If the americans caught osama then they would all go home and there will be many poorer pakistani's around.
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so i should assume u like to punch urself ?? use ur brain to tink before u postOriginally posted by Lim Wei Ming:---
Before you judge this topic, you must watch the whole video.
I know it's a big task to ask anyone to sit down and watch a one hour documentry. But this is one of the more interesting documentries I have seen.
In the beggining it may seem like this stuff is just made up because the videos and images are blur but wait until they start explaining things about the "plane" crashing into the Pentagon and thats where it gets interesting and thats where I realized that this stuff might actually be true.
If anyone would like to watch the video, the link is below. And thank you for taking the time to watch it! It's a great video if you have the patience.
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194&pr=goog-sl
There is a second video too.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=Loose+Change+2nd+edition&pl=true -
why are u flaming him?he is doing the right thing....by showing this things he is making loopholes in the govt of states obvious?Originally posted by driversports:so i should assume u like to punch urself ?? use ur brain to tink before u post
i suppose u did not watch it at all and belive everything the press tells u?the vid points out many questionable areas that i belive should be answered by their govt.. -
bump for u. anyway dont flame anyone la. he's just presenting the other side of the story that the tv didnt present. after u watch it u will have your own conclusion. but others will haf their own conclusions too. so why scold each other? i've seen the moon fake video but its not convincing enough due to the fact that video was not very good back then so the quality was bad. also, the clip was short as it was a small shot on fox news. and the moon is too far to make any tests. however, things like mobile phones cannot have network coverage high in the air is true and one can ownself try this on a plane.
the photographs are real. the data on the various website links are real. the flight numbers stuff are all real and readiliy available. also, today's good technology produces good cameras, good quality images videos etc. so its not like one can attribute anything to quality in the image. so this video to me is convincing enough. but once again that's MY opinion. i believe 9/11 is a hoax. =) -
Poor Osama
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Why? maybe he really is living in luxury.Originally posted by ToffeeClub1929:Poor Osama -
have you guys seen FAHRENHEIT 9/11? Michael Moore dug up every dirty secret. Here're some interesting facts:
- President Bush listened to 18 Booker Elementary School second-graders read a story about a girl's pet goat Tuesday before he spoke briefly and somberly about the terrorist attacks.
- [H]e lingered in the room for another six minutes [after being informed of the second plane]Â… [At] 9:12, he abruptly retreated, speaking to Mr. Cheney and New York officials.
More can be found here..
http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/f911notes/index.php?id=16
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hmm... what you says make more sense..... no wonder osama was still not caught. haiz.... american are so stupid to spend so much $$$ on the arabia scam. And also donated so much $$$ to them.Originally posted by four-niner:maybe mushariff is deliberately thwarting the americans from finding osama.
the americans pay a lot just to use the pakistan parking lot, with the americans around it provide a good livelihood for the people of pakistan. Not to mention better water and sanitation when before it was non-existent.
Pakistani extremists and terrorists now have a reason to operate
Americans have a reason to catch them so also need to stay in pakistan
Pakistani opium growers now improve better customer relations, before they need to ship it, now they just need to deliver it on a bicycle and save the shipping cost.
If the americans caught osama then they would all go home and there will be many poorer pakistani's around.
Just like philipines, japan and korea..... they dont like american even until ppl are protesting but government dont care and still lend them the airbase, military base and dock so that they can earn $$$ out of the rental and american soldiers. (smart move by the government)
Yeah, even spore wanted to make the dock nice nice and welcomes american warship(oops shall i say american bills) -
If you have'nt watched this, go get it. There are quite a number of shocking details unveiled.
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seen de video a mth ago...de 2nd edition...after watchin the video they almost 100% convinced me that US is behind the attack...but im still waitin for the US government's judgement and their side of the story 1st before jumin 2 conclusions
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Hi everyone..
Li Ka Shing, you are right on your point but take note on one thing though. What may seems far-fetched to most and to you may not be the same for others and what seems close-fetched to others may not be as such for you. Just as much as how some evidence are pointing towards the Arabs and other terrorists, now surfaces some evidence that are pointing towards the US government. What actually happened? Who is the real mastermind? We might never know the answer.
Do not underestimate the americans especially the government. What they can do under the tables is beyond our ordinary imagination. -
Hi everyone, I'm an American but I did not see the video, I'm not keen on downloading things. Anyways what I wanted to say was this. I have heard in America about this such theory and I don't believe it to be true because Al Qaeda has claimed responsibility for it and no one would say they did something so horrible that they didn't do. As for us being in Iraq for oil I disagree with that also. That theory however is very very widespread here in America. The real reason we are in Iraq is because in the late 1970s Israel attacked Lebanon and destroyed two of their buildings with aircrafts given to them by America; we give Israel 5 billion United States dollars a year. Israel is our largest recipentant of foreign aid. Also Saddam Hussein launched missles at Israel in 1991 and when the infatada began he was paying the families of suicide bombers large sums of money for these attacks against Israel. Saddam had weapons of mass destruction because America gave them to him to attack the Iranians in the early 1980s and it was believed he would use them against Israel not the USA. They said the USA was in danger because we would have gotten even less support for the war in Iraq had the truth been told to the people. The weapons of mass destruction were definitely moved, most likely by the Russians, as they had spies on the ground up to 2003 in Iraq aiding Saddam.
This war is really unpopular here in America and yes our president is dumb and I wish we would stop relying on oil and use environment friendly cars. I just thought that I should explain the real reason why we are there and not other reasons which sound conspiratorial or are from the American liberal media. My side of the story is not liberal or conservative it is the truth. And one last thing I'm not saying anyone is crazy for believing that our government did the attacks or that we are there for oil. The latter is a very popular notion and the other is something that has been floating around for a while now but I am not sure if anyone here is aware of the Israeli side of the story. -
The simplest arguement is usually the one which is correct.
Ask yourself which is more likely, terrorist hijacking planes or a government with using a immense secret arm orchestrating an attack on its on people?
Anyway, 9/11 can be said as a blessing in disguise. Think of all the contracts that resulted with all the military operations that followed. Who gets rich in the end? Bush and his pals definitely did not attack their own people, but they sure knew how to look on the bright side of things. -
Actually in spook world such things are not wholly impossible.
Remember story of the chambermaid and the bomb?
In the book Gideon Spies, the british were cosy with the libyans so mossad hatch a plot by getting one of it's paid palestinian moles or double agent with ties to libyan extremist groups to trick his own pregnant english girlfriend who worked as a chambermaid to carry a bag full of explosives on to an EL Air commercial airliner.
She was made pregnant by her boyfriend and thought she was really going back to visit her boyfriend's parents to discuss marriage, her mind was conjured up with images of the holy land where baby jesus was born. He had told her to go ahead first and that he would join her later in palestine after he finished up some business.
The palestinian mole(boyfriend) didn't know that his handler was jewish and thought he was really getting his girlfriend to bomb a jewish target.
EL Air officials were tipped off and that english girl was apprehended before the check-in when her bag was searched. It made headlines around the world, and the british government kicked the libyans out for good.
In chinese saying we call it jie4 tao1 sha1 ren2 aka using somebody's hand/knife to kill another. I really won't be surprised if they found out later that 9/11 was instigated by a foreign power allied to the USA. Or maybe for some reason the CIA bombed it's own people to rally behind bush. Don't forget Bush Snr was head of CIA once before he ever became president, and junior won his presidency by the merest margin so there could be some link there. The idea would be perverse but not wholly impossible. -
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and the israeli side of the story is? btw there's no 'download' for the video technically. it's streamed online through google video. i'm sure u trust google.Originally posted by Lorenzo2:Hi everyone, I'm an American but I did not see the video, I'm not keen on downloading things. Anyways what I wanted to say was this. I have heard in America about this such theory and I don't believe it to be true because Al Qaeda has claimed responsibility for it and no one would say they did something so horrible that they didn't do. As for us being in Iraq for oil I disagree with that also. That theory however is very very widespread here in America. The real reason we are in Iraq is because in the late 1970s Israel attacked Lebanon and destroyed two of their buildings with aircrafts given to them by America; we give Israel 5 billion United States dollars a year. Israel is our largest recipentant of foreign aid. Also Saddam Hussein launched missles at Israel in 1991 and when the infatada began he was paying the families of suicide bombers large sums of money for these attacks against Israel. Saddam had weapons of mass destruction because America gave them to him to attack the Iranians in the early 1980s and it was believed he would use them against Israel not the USA. They said the USA was in danger because we would have gotten even less support for the war in Iraq had the truth been told to the people. The weapons of mass destruction were definitely moved, most likely by the Russians, as they had spies on the ground up to 2003 in Iraq aiding Saddam.
This war is really unpopular here in America and yes our president is dumb and I wish we would stop relying on oil and use environment friendly cars. I just thought that I should explain the real reason why we are there and not other reasons which sound conspiratorial or are from the American liberal media. My side of the story is not liberal or conservative it is the truth. And one last thing I'm not saying anyone is crazy for believing that our government did the attacks or that we are there for oil. The latter is a very popular notion and the other is something that has been floating around for a while now but I am not sure if anyone here is aware of the Israeli side of the story.
anyway even if that is the real reason, the bush administration did not reveal that. instead, it went in for WMD among other reasons. I'm sure if those "real" reasons u highlighted were put forth by the bush admin. for the attack on iraq - we would have accepted it more than we do.
however, this is not the case. the attack went ahead without approval from the rest of the world and the UN (that's point 1). point 2 it seem like revenge for 9/11 (which seems to not have been Iraq's fault). point 3 the bush administration was SOOO confident it WILL DEFINITELY get the WMD. but oh let's see they couldn't find any? the russians removed it? etc.? Why so cocky in the first place? etc. etc.
aiya. just watch the video and post ur view after the video. the issue in this thread is the 9/11 attack. the iraq war etc. are just what happens after and everything else are just related. the main issue here is the 9/11 attack which your post is hmm off-topic.
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Your point which is, the Al Qaeda has claimed responsibility, is a weak one. Why? Because it is easy for anyone to just say that they are from Al Qaeda and declare responsibility, imagine what a super power organization can do?Originally posted by Lorenzo2:Hi everyone, I'm an American but I did not see the video, I'm not keen on downloading things. Anyways what I wanted to say was this. I have heard in America about this such theory and I don't believe it to be true because Al Qaeda has claimed responsibility for it and no one would say they did something so horrible that they didn't do. As for us being in Iraq for oil I disagree with that also. That theory however is very very widespread here in America. The real reason we are in Iraq is because in the late 1970s Israel attacked Lebanon and destroyed two of their buildings with aircrafts given to them by America; we give Israel 5 billion United States dollars a year. Israel is our largest recipentant of foreign aid. Also Saddam Hussein launched missles at Israel in 1991 and when the infatada began he was paying the families of suicide bombers large sums of money for these attacks against Israel. Saddam had weapons of mass destruction because America gave them to him to attack the Iranians in the early 1980s and it was believed he would use them against Israel not the USA. They said the USA was in danger because we would have gotten even less support for the war in Iraq had the truth been told to the people. The weapons of mass destruction were definitely moved, most likely by the Russians, as they had spies on the ground up to 2003 in Iraq aiding Saddam.
This war is really unpopular here in America and yes our president is dumb and I wish we would stop relying on oil and use environment friendly cars. I just thought that I should explain the real reason why we are there and not other reasons which sound conspiratorial or are from the American liberal media. My side of the story is not liberal or conservative it is the truth. And one last thing I'm not saying anyone is crazy for believing that our government did the attacks or that we are there for oil. The latter is a very popular notion and the other is something that has been floating around for a while now but I am not sure if anyone here is aware of the Israeli side of the story. -
Omg.....
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i really wanna see the monn landing hoax video...
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zzz my mom don believe this video....
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Tayysj"and the israeli side of the story is?
I explained the Israeli side of the story in the post.
Tayysj:"btw there's no 'download' for the video technically. it's streamed online through google video. i'm sure u trust google.
No I don't trust google because the US government forces them to handover lists of searches that they deem unacceptable like child porn and anti USA material and bomb making. It's not the personal owners of the site I don't trust it's my government, they force the owners to turn that stuff over.
Tayysj:"anyway even if that is the real reason, the bush administration did not reveal that.
Ofcourse not because if they did then we would have had even less support for the war. It's not that Americans are anti semitic it's the fact that you need a more plausible reason than Israel being threatened to get support for thousands of our troops to be killed. Jews are less than 5% of the American population yet they are in control of our country. Osama bin Ladin know's this very well and so do many other Arabs, that is another reason he ordered attacks against us. I did mention this in my last post about this not being acceptable to our people.
Taysj:"2 it seem like revenge for 9/11 (which seems to not have been Iraq's fault).
Right it's not Iraq's fault. The bombers were Egyptian and Saudi Arabian but I explained why we went to Iraq in my last post.
Tayysj:"point 3 the bush administration was SOOO confident it WILL DEFINITELY get the WMD. but oh let's see they couldn't find any? the russians removed it? etc.? Why so %$$$y in the first place? etc. etc.
There was a report out that the Russians helped move the weapons but regardless of who did help him the fact of the matter is that he succeeded. Our president gave Saddam to many chances to surrender and Saddam played Bush for the fool that he is. You don't tell someone I'm coming to invade your country for WMD and I'm coming on this day and time. Ofcourse the guy is going to do everything to get the weapons out of his country. Do people really think he is going to use them or just let them sit around? That would prove Bush right for invading and the whole war would be justified in American and most of the world's eyes. -
dinky1409:"Your point which is, the Al Qaeda has claimed responsibility, is a weak one. Why? Because it is easy for anyone to just say that they are from Al Qaeda and declare responsibility, imagine what a super power organization can do?
True but it is proven that they were from Al Qaeda, the world has translators. If they weren't from that organization then there would have been reports out saying that the USA was lying. I have not heard of any country, and believe me there are many, claiming that those men were not from Al Qaeda.