Did the U.S. government attacked its own country on 9/11?
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i dunno bout all the theories u guys are proposing...but i know one thing....the twin towers fell too fast for it to just be plance crashes...there was definately bombs set inside to demolish it....the first time i saw it on the news i was already thinking it looks so much like a controlled demolishing project...i mean....the thing just fell cleanly down...and only under 1 hour....
Next....the pics of the damaged section of the pentagon....theres really not many traces of an airplane crash...more of a hole in the wall...and there wasnt any other signs like wings cutting in...and its just a damned hole like a missle hit it....
Next...Cells dont work so high up....
I dunno...but im sure the US govt knows that this vid is out there but have not yet made any counter response to it....at least give some explainations for the loop holes.... -
So you are a structure engineer? As if people punching themselves isn't absurd enough, now you are suggesting they actually took the time to plant bombs into the building first. Whether it fell too fast is not for layman to tell. To me its perfectly normal, in fact amazing that the towers remained standing after the initial plane crash. One hour is a long time for such an event.Originally posted by Gladiatos:i dunno bout all the theories u guys are proposing...but i know one thing....the twin towers fell too fast for it to just be plance crashes...there was definately bombs set inside to demolish it....the first time i saw it on the news i was already thinking it looks so much like a controlled demolishing project...i mean....the thing just fell cleanly down...and only under 1 hour....
Next....the pics of the damaged section of the pentagon....theres really not many traces of an airplane crash...more of a hole in the wall...and there wasnt any other signs like wings cutting in...and its just a damned hole like a missle hit it....
Next...Cells dont work so high up....
I dunno...but im sure the US govt knows that this vid is out there but have not yet made any counter response to it....at least give some explainations for the loop holes....
Yesyes... The missile hit pentagon. Didn't bother to check out some counter-arguments didn't you? And yes, cells do work at 35000 feet.
Being a Government, I don't think they should actually refute this video openly. Doing so would admit a certain degree of impact. Its much better to just it run its course and die down, people will use their common sense. -
Gladiatos:dunno bout all the theories u guys are proposing...but i know one thing....the twin towers fell too fast for it to just be plance crashes...there was definately bombs set inside to demolish it....the first time i saw it on the news i was already thinking it looks so much like a controlled demolishing project...i mean....the thing just fell cleanly down...and only under 1 hour....
This is part of the same theory that the original poster was suggesting, that Americans blew up their own buildings. I know Americans who believe but it's not a widespread belief and more than likely it's false.
Next....the pics of the damaged section of the pentagon....theres really not many traces of an airplane crash...more of a hole in the wall...and there wasnt any other signs like wings cutting in...and its just a damned hole like a missle hit it....
Next...Cells dont work so high up....
I dunno...but im sure the US govt knows that this vid is out there but have not yet made any counter response to it....at least give some explainations for the loop holes.. -
ok...i still want to see the moon landing hoax video!!!
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so u are saying the 'facts' they presented are all bs like the scientist having 'data' of call connection chance at higher and higher lvls?Originally posted by EXCO:So you are a structure engineer? As if people punching themselves isn't absurd enough, now you are suggesting they actually took the time to plant bombs into the building first. Whether it fell too fast is not for layman to tell. To me its perfectly normal, in fact amazing that the towers remained standing after the initial plane crash. One hour is a long time for such an event.
Yesyes... The missile hit pentagon. Didn't bother to check out some counter-arguments didn't you? And yes, cells do work at 35000 feet.
Being a Government, I don't think they should actually refute this video openly. Doing so would admit a certain degree of impact. Its much better to just it run its course and die down, people will use their common sense.
So the infos that the 'documentary' presented not real?And buildings do fall so fast?I remembered that when the thing happened the theory for the collapse was the steel buckling but according to the documentry the fire should not have been hot enough to buckle the steel...so thats bull shit too?planes can burn so strongly? -
Being a Government, I don't think they should actually refute this video openly. Doing so would admit a certain degree of impact. Its much better to just it run its course and die down, people will use their common sense.
Yeah. US and EU countries dont do these. Only some Asia and Arab countries does the women-like arguing. Which is not a government or manly act.
We are talking about jet fuel on a big airplane not on small forker flagship!!!
Even car petrol can burn fast and on high temp let alon jet fuel.
Unless the jet is powered by diesel where it burns slowly and slowly.
Also those steel structure are linked together by nuts & bolts and concrete. And not a super 100 over metres piece of steel.
If the same size plane ram into and of the building in raffles place, the building will be smash immediately.
Frankly speaking, 4 thousand ppl are dying and they are well educated and professional like you and me. And ppl can still be joking that it was a inside hand done!!
Terrorist are mad as they already extreme. But some people study too much and the brain too much bookworms in it also become stupid which led them to believe the crap story.
One day if spore got hit by terrorist and ppl will start thnking it was done by PAP. -
Originally posted by FireIce:yah yah yah
land on the moon oso fake one
911 oso fake one
wat else?
clinton is gay?
cannot...monica already prove he's not... -
one hour is long? i agree with the video because I have seen past news on other plane crashes into buildings and stuff but none of them fell! skyscrapers too! seriously i cant believe the planes brought the building down. i believe its a controlled demolition. however - it is still doubtful WHO was in charge of the controlled demolition la.. could be bush administration could be the terrorists.. but either way - i dont believe it collapsed due to the plane crashing into it.Originally posted by EXCO:So you are a structure engineer? As if people punching themselves isn't absurd enough, now you are suggesting they actually took the time to plant bombs into the building first. Whether it fell too fast is not for layman to tell. To me its perfectly normal, in fact amazing that the towers remained standing after the initial plane crash. One hour is a long time for such an event.
Yesyes... The missile hit pentagon. Didn't bother to check out some counter-arguments didn't you? And yes, cells do work at 35000 feet.
Being a Government, I don't think they should actually refute this video openly. Doing so would admit a certain degree of impact. Its much better to just it run its course and die down, people will use their common sense.
cells work at 35000 feet?! like HOW?! and i mean in 2001. but anyway even now when i take the plane and its flying at 31000 feet there's no chance to get even a tiny bar of reception..
ya agreed even if the government knows they would pretend it doesn't exist and hope it dies down and stuff. -
Its bloody obvious you didn't even watched the video at all.Originally posted by EXCO:So you are a structure engineer? As if people punching themselves isn't absurd enough, now you are suggesting they actually took the time to plant bombs into the building first. Whether it fell too fast is not for layman to tell. To me its perfectly normal, in fact amazing that the towers remained standing after the initial plane crash. One hour is a long time for such an event.
Yesyes... The missile hit pentagon. Didn't bother to check out some counter-arguments didn't you? And yes, cells do work at 35000 feet.
Being a Government, I don't think they should actually refute this video openly. Doing so would admit a certain degree of impact. Its much better to just it run its course and die down, people will use their common sense.
Go watch it first before you post some crap. -
Both is correct. The government recruited terrorist to orchestrate an attack on its people. Bush used FEAR as a tool to convince the american population to vote him into power. He convinced them that such an attack will happen again if he does not become president.Originally posted by tIfosI:The simplest arguement is usually the one which is correct.
Ask yourself which is more likely, terrorist hijacking planes or a government with using a immense secret arm orchestrating an attack on its on people?
Anyway, 9/11 can be said as a blessing in disguise. Think of all the contracts that resulted with all the military operations that followed. Who gets rich in the end? Bush and his pals definitely did not attack their own people, but they sure knew how to look on the bright side of things.
And 9/11 was exactly whay Bush wanted. He wanted to enrich himself and his pals at the expense of other people and the american population. That bloody fucker cause the price of oil to rise. And haliburton is reaping all the rewards. -
How do you explain the thousands of people witnessing the aircraft crashes, the calls made to their familys, the survivors. Are all of them planted evidence by the American government? Does that make sense to you?
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I'm pretty sure to crash the aircraft into buildings you have to descent quite a fair bit.Originally posted by Tayysj:one hour is long? i agree with the video because I have seen past news on other plane crashes into buildings and stuff but none of them fell! skyscrapers too! seriously i cant believe the planes brought the building down. i believe its a controlled demolition. however - it is still doubtful WHO was in charge of the controlled demolition la.. could be bush administration could be the terrorists.. but either way - i dont believe it collapsed due to the plane crashing into it.
cells work at 35000 feet?! like HOW?! and i mean in 2001. but anyway even now when i take the plane and its flying at 31000 feet there's no chance to get even a tiny bar of reception..
ya agreed even if the government knows they would pretend it doesn't exist and hope it dies down and stuff.
The hijackers are obviously minimally trained pilots. I'm pretty sure they did not know how to program the autopilot to fly towards NYC. So they shut off the AP. Now they are flying IFR (instrument flight rules) which can only bring them roughly in the direction of NYC. Apparantly they flew into Manhattan by following the Hudson river, so they must descent below cloud level, FL 80 - 100 to follow the river. At this altitude cell phones do work. Don't believe you leave your phone on as you take off and see when u lose all reception. -
In the movie V for Vendetta...the government was getting unpopular with the people real quick, so decided to release some bio-chemical nerve agent into their own country, to instill fear...soon the government comes along and acts as the "good guy" helping out everyone and earning brownie points....
I know its only a movie, but if the mind can conceive it, the body can achieve it..
And i don't think any of the Bilderbergs/Rockafellas dying in 9/11 do u?
Go read up on the New World Order, The Trilateral Comission, the Council of 300, Project Monarch, MK Ultra, of course President Bush' favourite retreat, Camp David...and tell me there's not something very wrong going on... -
bush is a skull and bones member, so maybe lor..
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Maybe this conspiracy is linked to the illuminati and the freemasons.
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Hi, gentlemen.
Before anyone says that the US would not do such things. Remember the Cuban invasion planning in the begining of the Loosechange 2nd edition video. It pretty much confirm what the extent the US might go.
Do you know that the US lied about the Gulf of Tokin attack that started the Vietnam war ?
Do you know that the US embarked on a 8 page plan to force the Japanese to attack US in WWII. (Pearl Harbour) In fact, their intelligence has been tracking the Japanese Fleet.
Do you know the the US covertly directed a korean airliner, with innocent and unknowing passenger, on a spy mission, and was shoot down by the Russian.
On the WTC twin towers.
There were actually altogether 3 towers. While tower 1 & 2 has the limelight. How about WTC 7, it also came down minutes after the two towers. It was not hit by any plane, It was not burning before the first tower collapse. It was not the nearest nor the most direct. It came down like a solid rock. Above all, it was a long cross section not square. Why did it come down on it footstep at all ? Anyone ?
On the pentagon.
1) There is the sign left on the wall right next to the hole. It's in good condition and still at it's place. The hole is too small to fit the aircraft body, therefore if that's hit the impact would be too great.
2) The outer wall, the four huge engines and wings damage is not evident. Even a car travelling at that speed would have fell the wall. Not even a mark. Not even a scratch.
Sorry I tried linking pics but failed. -
Unfortunately yes i left my phone on. also, when i fly in a piper warrior or a tampico tb-9 light single propellor aircraft up to 8,000 feet above singapore - there is already no reception on most occasions. Furthermore, for goodness sake don't use flight level for low altitudes.Originally posted by tIfosI:I'm pretty sure to crash the aircraft into buildings you have to descent quite a fair bit.
The hijackers are obviously minimally trained pilots. I'm pretty sure they did not know how to program the autopilot to fly towards NYC. So they shut off the AP. Now they are flying IFR (instrument flight rules) which can only bring them roughly in the direction of NYC. Apparantly they flew into Manhattan by following the Hudson river, so they must descent below cloud level, FL 80 - 100 to follow the river. At this altitude cell phones do work. Don't believe you leave your phone on as you take off and see when u lose all reception.
also, auto pilots are simpler than u think (assuming that there WAS a hijack with hijackers on board).
regarding their flight path, i'm not too sure but the government did "reveal" a flight path i think so u could go check that -
on channel news asia.. they showed the video of the flight 93 crash site ytd when the prosecution produced more evidence of the flight to prosecute the "hijacker" of flght 93. apparently they played the last 30+ mins of the cockpit voice recorder. like out of the blue got this evidence??
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/202941/1/.html -
oh regarding the channelnewsasia link.. read it.. very weird one of the phone conversation etc.
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I can't blame you for being so simple minded and think that The United States of America cannot have any corruption just because theres no official report of it. After all, you are in Singapore, which though only run by 1 party, still is a clean country. If u have a slightest understanding on how the political systems runs in America, you will see that it is much more complicated than Singapore's.Originally posted by Li Ka Shing:But please remember, they attacked Afganistan first.
Then Iraq. With much difficulty convincing even their own people.
But what's more important is.....suppose it is true, who carried them out? Government who? Intelligence? Millitary? Who carried out the 9-11?
If there is any involvement from any of the government agencies, be it only the planning, they are illegal and breaking their own laws. Even the intelligence is checked by the politicians sitting in committees, and have rules to abide, so who will successfully carry out 9-11? Every government agencies have their own rules and constitutions, why will they break them? Can they break them? Besides, they would be betraying their own country. At this scale like 9-11, it would be a big elaborate cabal, and they are basically massacring their own people. Pretty extreme, no?
Instead of thinking of such far-fetched ideas,
Why not think of closer-fetched ideas?
There are real people who hate the USA. There are real people who are willing to die and blow themselves up and go to heaven. People who are fed up with USA and its close relationship with Israel. They are fed up with seeing Palestinians suffer. These are much more realistic reasons, come on, you don't need to be smart. It isnt a surprise something like this happen. I mean, it's surprising, yes, but not surprising considering the amount of hatred simmering for so long towards the USA....
Dont look for far-fetched ideas. Look for close-fetch ones.
In USA, theres 3 branches of government: legislative, executive, judicial.
Thats is to say, the President, Congress and Supreme Court each has almost an equal share of power, and can over-rule each other and at the same time be over-ruled by each other.
The president—can veto bills passed by Congress, thus preventing them from becoming law. In turn, by a two-thirds vote, Congress can override the president’s veto. The Supreme Court may invalidate acts of Congress by declaring them contrary to the Constitution of the United States, but Congress can change the Constitution through the amendment process.
And with this, you throw in Intelligence Agencies. There are laws stating that for national security, FBI or CIA can be given a lot of freedom. And finding a lophole in this system is very easy. They can even look at everything in your computer, check your email, listen to your phone conversation.
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World Trade Centre has one of the best structure ever design and built. And many professional structure designers and engineers had all voiced that a building able to with-stand earthquakes is impossible to just fell because of a plane crash.Originally posted by EXCO:So you are a structure engineer? As if people punching themselves isn't absurd enough, now you are suggesting they actually took the time to plant bombs into the building first. Whether it fell too fast is not for layman to tell. To me its perfectly normal, in fact amazing that the towers remained standing after the initial plane crash. One hour is a long time for such an event.
Yesyes... The missile hit pentagon. Didn't bother to check out some counter-arguments didn't you? And yes, cells do work at 35000 feet.
Being a Government, I don't think they should actually refute this video openly. Doing so would admit a certain degree of impact. Its much better to just it run its course and die down, people will use their common sense.
Theres must be another force, a greater one, at work. And can you imagine hundreds of terroist walking into World Trade Centre carrying tonnes of explosives without being discovered?
So who else can plant the bombs inside WTC? -
Survey shows 80% believes the government is hiding the truth and might has part in 911, while 30% believes they kill their own peopleOriginally posted by Lorenzo2:Gladiatos:
This is part of the same theory that the original poster was suggesting, that Americans blew up their own buildings. I know Americans who believe but it's not a widespread belief and more than likely it's false. -
First of all it is not cool shouting out that you are a 'well educated and professional person'.Originally posted by LittleTiger:Yeah. US and EU countries dont do these. Only some Asia and Arab countries does the women-like arguing. Which is not a government or manly act.
We are talking about jet fuel on a big airplane not on small forker flagship!!!
Even car petrol can burn fast and on high temp let alon jet fuel.
Unless the jet is powered by diesel where it burns slowly and slowly.
Also those steel structure are linked together by nuts & bolts and concrete. And not a super 100 over metres piece of steel.
If the same size plane ram into and of the building in raffles place, the building will be smash immediately.
Frankly speaking, 4 thousand ppl are dying and they are well educated and professional like you and me. And ppl can still be joking that it was a inside hand done!!
Terrorist are mad as they already extreme. But some people study too much and the brain too much bookworms in it also become stupid which led them to believe the crap story.
One day if spore got hit by terrorist and ppl will start thnking it was done by PAP.
Secondly, WTC has special structure and the framework of the building is not linked like the way you build a hut. When one end shakes violently all of a sudden, theres a switch activated and the other end will not be affected. In fact all super-structures have that, buildings in Raffles Place are way too low to be compare to WTC.
And finally, I am sure a well-learned and professional person can phrase their words better than your "Terrorist are mad as they already extreme. But some people study too much and the brain too much bookworms in it also become stupid which led them to believe the crap story."
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If it is not Americans killing Americans, then the government is trying to cover up some fact. Maybe bombs were really planted inside the building before-hand and the intelligence and authorities failed to notice it. Since this is a great shame, its being covered-up.
In any case, a plane can never do that much demage to what is considered one of the most remarkable buildings. -
By saying this you are totally gay.Originally posted by loneFighter:moon landing fake ...that one not confirmed 
Maybe you can start a new thread, and provide some evidence to prove that moon landing is fake