Did the U.S. government attacked its own country on 9/11?
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Put yourself in the American's shoes.Originally posted by Lorenzo2:Firstly you have no survey shown and no link to one. Secondly surveys are very vague. For one you never know who took the survey, another is you don't know the demographics of the people who took it, and lastly you don't know if it was made up. For all you know they could have asked a bunch of people who are at an anti government rally, so I don't believe you the survey. Also a survey is of only a select few, maybe 500 people, it's not reflective of anything. IMO surveys are a waste of time, not just that one but all surveys in general.
Thousands of people got killed when the FBI and CIA that tax payers spent billions of dollars a year to support did not even make an attempt to prevent the attack.
Year later, the government publish a report, but alls in it are what the people already know. Why the towers collapes was not included in the report.
Tapes of CCTV cameras which had captured the event were not shown to the public.
US started war on Iraq, reason being the leader is a terrorist and might has connection to Osama. Bush insisted on war even when most of the nation did not really support it (no need survey for this, theres riots to prove)
Then this guy come and make a video of lots of evidence, that even the official 911 report could not match.
How will the people of America feel? Does a survey result really matter that much now? -
quote:Originally posted by LittleTiger:
Are u that really simple minded? no one is bitting you tail. Poor in english mean not well educated person? Jap, German, French, Chinese are not well educated then?
Since when you are so active in this post and keep shooting everyone? Another new internet(behind the scene) hero?
Strongest metal doesnt mean will not melt. If it doesnt melt how can it be shape into a box? AirJet fuel are extremely high in temp when burning.
Also in a crash... eg. car crash.... all the debris and parts can be flying all over and metres away let alone a jet travelling at 10x the speed.
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I might be simple minded, but no one wants to discuss that in this forum, its off topic
You don't melt metal to make Blackbox. They have special machines to use air pressure not possible on Earth normally to make it.
If a space shutter passing through ozone layer, experiencing 10000'C does not melt, what makes you think a blackbox burning in some kind of fuel melts. Yes, blackbox is made with the same kind of alloy as the spaceshutter.
Btw, they have satellite tracking system installed in the blackbox. After an accident, the blackbox can continue to sent signal for few months. So no matter where it fly to, you can find it. -
Your english is really poor. When i sayOriginally posted by LittleTiger:If you said the bomb is preplanted the it makes sense but hundred of terrorist walking into the world trade centre and carrying tonnes of explosive? You imagination is too good.
"Theres must be another force, a greater one, at work. And can you imagine hundreds of terroist walking into World Trade Centre carrying tonnes of explosives without being discovered?
So who else can plant the bombs inside WTC?"
if you can read and understand you will know that this is a sarcastic remark.
i am actually trying to say that it is impossible for hundreds of terroist to plant bombs in WTC. So it will be a case of internal work, and must be from a high powered authority. -
Well, it all points back to the shadow government conspiracy theory. That there is another government or administration behind the Presidential one. Look at JFK's assasination? No one can explain the "magic bullet."
Now look at Bush! The dumbest president / leader of a country I've ever seen! Sure, he makes awesome "PREPARED" speeches. But look at when he gets caught off guard! He rambles nonsense. (I'm his number 1 fan actually... He's hilarious). It really makes me wonder how someone this dumb can stay in power.
If I needed a puppet, I'd like my puppet to be dumb. And this one, well is as dumb as dumb can get. In terms of presidential candidates.
"I believe human being and fish can coexist peacefully" George W Bush Jr. -
lets look at some possibilities
1. someone has inside information, and is collaborating with the terrorists, to help them succeed in their plan. in return, he gains monetary benefits. whether he is caught or not, we are unaware.
if the government released this information to the public, it will definitely cause unrest and a great feeling of insecurity. the people of america would think twice about whether they are actually living in a safe country. plus, the knowledge of having an accomplice within americans, definitely has to cause distrust here and there.
2. the government actually did it and is trying to frame the terrorists.
lets think about this. by doing so, america can declare a war against terrorism, which by majority, is a war against the middle east. this situation in america has been building up anti-terrorist feelings not only in america, but in most parts of the world. everyone is afraid to get hit, and everyone is afraid that their next.
by blaming the terrorists, the bush administration has a BETTER chance, in requesting their invasion of Iraq. their underlying reason? biochemical warfare. up to date, how many biochemical weapons have been found? what is it they actually want? to restore peace and help Iraq rebuild itself?
3. terrorists actually planned and did everything themselves.
this is what we are wanted to believe. if so, then why are there still so many incidents that lead to the people believing that the attacks were actually caused by americans themselves.
lets think about this, instead of questioning whether the late pope was assassinated, why are we questioning the credibility of the evidence, and claims given by the us government about the attacks on september 11, 2001 -
Originally posted by Shotgun:Well, it all points back to the shadow government conspiracy theory. That there is another government or administration behind the Presidential one. Look at JFK's assasination? No one can explain the "magic bullet."
Now look at Bush! The dumbest president / leader of a country I've ever seen! Sure, he makes awesome "PREPARED" speeches. But look at when he gets caught off guard! He rambles nonsense. (I'm his number 1 fan actually... He's hilarious). It really makes me wonder how someone this dumb can stay in power.
If I needed a puppet, I'd like my puppet to be dumb. And this one, well is as dumb as dumb can get. In terms of presidential candidates.
"I believe human being and fish can coexist peacefully" George W Bush Jr.
Agreed. No question about it. -
Wow you sure took a some time to type these.Originally posted by coffeeortea:lets look at some possibilities
1. someone has inside information, and is collaborating with the terrorists, to help them succeed in their plan. in return, he gains monetary benefits. whether he is caught or not, we are unaware.
if the government released this information to the public, it will definitely cause unrest and a great feeling of insecurity. the people of america would think twice about whether they are actually living in a safe country. plus, the knowledge of having an accomplice within americans, definitely has to cause distrust here and there.
2. the government actually did it and is trying to frame the terrorists.
lets think about this. by doing so, america can declare a war against terrorism, which by majority, is a war against the middle east. this situation in america has been building up anti-terrorist feelings not only in america, but in most parts of the world. everyone is afraid to get hit, and everyone is afraid that their next.
by blaming the terrorists, the bush administration has a BETTER chance, in requesting their invasion of Iraq. their underlying reason? biochemical warfare. up to date, how many biochemical weapons have been found? what is it they actually want? to restore peace and help Iraq rebuild itself?
3. terrorists actually planned and did everything themselves.
this is what we are wanted to believe. if so, then why are there still so many incidents that lead to the people believing that the attacks were actually caused by americans themselves.
lets think about this, instead of questioning whether the late pope was assassinated, why are we questioning the credibility of the evidence, and claims given by the us government about the attacks on september 11, 2001
I think your point 1 and 2 are valid. It is either there is a vast security loophole, that allowed the terrorist to succeed, or its internal corruption. Either way, the government has to cover-up the truth, or not only the people of America will lost faith, the whole world will. Furthermore, either way will be a great shame to the government and intelligence authority -
There are many good points around here. First, the terrorists maybe did plan the attacks on paper but it was never executed. U.S. took advantage of it and duped them by attacking themself and making it seem like it was the terrorists who did it.
It all worked very well on paper but in practice, something didn't always go smooth. -
haha, i like topics like these, and therefore, feel the urge to type more of my thoughts.. =D.Originally posted by chenc:Wow you sure took a some time to type these.
I think your point 1 and 2 are valid. It is either there is a vast security loophole, that allowed the terrorist to succeed, or its internal corruption. Either way, the government has to cover-up the truth, or not only the people of America will lost faith, the whole world will. Furthermore, either way will be a great shame to the government and intelligence authority
and yes, this basically reminds me of the cold war and vietnam war -
Actually, I really agree with that point. Its amazing how those planes managed to hit the targets.Originally posted by Shotgun:Honestly, I figured it was quite a feat that all 3 planes found and hit their targets in the first place.
Firstly, the supposed terrorists were not americans, and weren't living in the states they attacked, NY, and washington DC. Yet, for some reason, they were able to navigate effectively , identify their target buildings, and fly a large plane right into it.
There were explanations where they took control of the jet a precise point of the flight, so that they could use visual references (at 32000ft,
) fly a certain heading, descend , look for landmark features and navigate an aircraft they've never flown before, and crash them into a building with cruise missile precisions.
Even combat pilots have difficulty identifying targets to bomb with precision guided munitions. And thats WITH experience in their Jet, WITH experience with handling sophisticated equipment such as air to ground radars and targetting pods, and WITH aerial reconnaisance of their targets so that they can identify their targets effectively. With that, they still DO make mistakes, and can hit the wrong target. These are combat pilots with perhaps hundreds and hundreds of flight hours under their belt.
Yet, terrorists, whom the US government claims to have limited piloting knowledge, had such navigation expertise, expert control of a totally unfamiliar jet, ( you really don't go to flight schools and requests to learn how to fly in a Boeing 757 ), and guides their BUS of a jet into high value targets with such precision.
These terrorists should probably join the Air Force.
I mean have you guys ever played MS Flight Simulator 2004 before? Trying to find the runway and land is definately no easy task. (The 1st time you played that is.) Likewise trying to find a bulding in a landscape they are unfamiliar of. The WTC towers may look big from the ground, but in the air, they are as tiny as an ant. Furether more, they had to take control of the plane, get it down from crusing altitude, navigate using the GPS to New York, getting down to about 1500 feet and slamming right into the towers. Imagine the terrorists with little piloting skills, going into the cockpit, wresting with the pilot & co-pilot terminator style, straping themselves into the cockpit, take 3 seconds to analyse the controls, again terminator style. Then taking full control of it. Then what the hell happened to the passengers? All 100+ passengers can't subdue just 1 hijacker? Bloody ridiculars.
Then talk about the pentagon wreck. I mean you call that a wreck? Just a hole on the structure with no aircraft remains lying around. Clearly doesn't look like a plane had crash into it. No engine sections, no fuselage, no horizontal stabilizers, nothing at all, just a mysterious looking tiny turbine that resembles a missile. But strange thing it that an aircraft was spotted flying around right after the crash. What the hell could it be? A spotter aircraft? Didn't know cruse missiles need spotters?
Funniest it the passport lying around the rubble of the WTC wreck. They claimed the black boxes were melted and yet the passport remains! They expect us to believe that kind of crap? -
I always believe when a 60 ton aluminium and titanuim hit a wall and burns and scatter everwhere... 60 tons of aluminum and titanuim will remain not in mass but in weight... even if melted....
again 4 ton engines hit a wall at very high speed.. causes no scratch is truly unbelieveable.. one engine even survive
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there are a lot of interesting points in this video.............i believe some of them are definately worth thinking baout-i wouldnt trust george bush as far as i could throw him!
but thats all i'll say on the issue -
Did guys know there were three War games happening during 9/11 ?
Here's a video of Rumsfield being grilled by congress, among other issues.. no definate answer was given..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4en1fnckGEo&search=rumsfield -
lets think about this then,
what if, the Bush administration really did plan the attacks, what do you think his ulterior motive is? -
i wonder how come so zhun. they managed to capture the plane slamming into WTO.
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isn't the answer to that question already speculated in the video at the beginning of this thread?Originally posted by coffeeortea:lets think about this then,
what if, the Bush administration really did plan the attacks, what do you think his ulterior motive is? -
erm, i specified what do YOU think, not what the video portraysOriginally posted by Tayysj:isn't the answer to that question already speculated in the video at the beginning of this thread? -
Psycological attack. If not for the 9/11 i believe the people will riot and burn down the white house the minute Bush say he wants to attack Iraq.Originally posted by coffeeortea:lets think about this then,
what if, the Bush administration really did plan the attacks, what do you think his ulterior motive is? -
If one day spore was like Iraq at a mad dictator rulez with the lunatic sons and crazy officers. Ppl will start praying that a Bush will come and bombard and attack them to be at least freed them from the torture and genocide
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Free them as in killing them while invading and then caused riots and terrorism within the country?Originally posted by LittleTiger:If one day spore was like Iraq at a mad dictator rulez with the lunatic sons and crazy officers. Ppl will start praying that a Bush will come and bombard and attack them to be at least freed them from the torture and genocide -
u can never wipe-up robbers. Even the richest country still have robbers.
There are ppl bound to create problem and havoc.
How many Iraqi has US killed? How many does Saddam killed?
Christian country who liberal a muslim country will be seen as invader/attacker/oppressor.
A muslim country liberal a muslim country will be branded as hero.
........... as simple as that. -
Oh come on. Don't bring religion into this. BTw, USA is a Christian country?Originally posted by LittleTiger:u can never wipe-up robbers. Even the richest country still have robbers.
There are ppl bound to create problem and havoc.
How many Iraqi has US killed? How many does Saddam killed?
Christian country who liberal a muslim country will be seen as invader/attacker/oppressor.
A muslim country liberal a muslim country will be branded as hero.
........... as simple as that.
Where on earth did we get all our foul words from?
Which country has 80% of their teenagers having sex before age of 14?
Which country called for war so many times for so many lame reasons you don't even bother to count for them?
Which country has rock bands that sing all kind of colourful foul words and yet a quarter of the nation bought their album or watch them on TV?
Which country promised the poor and dying African financial help but never send a single cent?
Which country has some of the lowest church attendance rate?
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To have an excuse to nuke Iraq to get the oil.Originally posted by coffeeortea:lets think about this then,
what if, the Bush administration really did plan the attacks, what do you think his ulterior motive is? -
agreed on the oil part. other reason might be for power? to show the world that US is still the most powerful country.
my 2 cents. -
Here's a rare video of Flight '93..... right after the crash.... and wass shown just once and never on mass media again.
Watching the video the crash site is the Strangest I ever saw... and I have seen many videos of on-site commercial planes crashes.
There were literally lack of debris.. a small hole on the ground no bodies.. and only pieces of small metal parts..???
If I see a pattern here is that the Pentagon hit is somewhat similar... and have engines to show... but flight '93 did not hit any building and by the look of the small earthen pothole.. it would not disintegrate into small pieces.. no other plane crashes produces such a weird site... especially "93 was fly relatively low.
Any thoughts.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc