Understanding of Romance of 3 Kingdoms
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He was pathetic considering how his wife treated him.Originally posted by king108:
However, I would like to say that "Jiang Tai Gong" never needed to use force or means.."Liker get hooked" you like it you get hooked, else you are free..He is still better after all. -
liu bei killed the dragon and the phoenix.....
1. Pang Tong is dead because liu bei wanted pang tong to ride on his horse.
2. Kong Ming borrowed life from the god, but Wei Yan rushed in and destroy the ceremony. Who the hell is Wei Yan ? Kong Ming once wanna killed him, buy liu bei stopped him. -
Lui Bei good horse is called "Di Lu" but does not favour master..easy to identify because it's white horse..no white elephant..Pang Tong..so so only..Not really that good..rushed for flame..Originally posted by yongyong:liu bei killed the dragon and the phoenix.....
1. Pang Tong is dead because liu bei wanted pang tong to ride on his horse.
2. Kong Ming borrowed life from the god, but Wei Yan rushed in and destroy the ceremony. Who the hell is Wei Yan ? Kong Ming once wanna killed him, buy liu bei stopped him.
Wei Yan is an unfaithful generals..he killed his own master when wanted to deflect to Lui Pei. Kong Ming did wanted to finish him off, but weak Lui Pei didn't wanted to kill someone who offer service to him. -
Famous Battle of the "Red Clay Wall", anyone interested..everyone talk so much..about Kong Ming "lend east wind" tactics..Anyone wanted to comment.. -
Most of it is fiction lah.Originally posted by king108: Famous Battle of the "Red Clay Wall", anyone interested..everyone talk so much..about Kong Ming "lend east wind" tactics..Anyone wanted to comment..
Historically Zhou Yu should get the credit. -
Not fiction lar ..Originally posted by Icemoon:Most of it is fiction lah.
Historically Zhou Yu should get the credit. -
ya. thats y, i said liu bei killed the dragon and phoenix..Originally posted by king108:Lui Bei good horse is called "Di Lu" but does not favour master..easy to identify because it's white horse..no white elephant..Pang Tong..so so only..Not really that good..rushed for flame..
Wei Yan is an unfaithful generals..he killed his own master when wanted to deflect to Lui Pei. Kong Ming did wanted to finish him off, but weak Lui Pei didn't wanted to kill someone who offer service to him. -
Hence should avoid claiming anyone to be that sleeping dragon or the resting birdie..
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did kong ming borrow the wind? did he battle vocally the intellectuals of Wu?Originally posted by yongyong:Not fiction lar ..
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seriously i feel Liu bei will be rich doing MLM if he is birth during our period...
and due to all the office politic i am facing now ....plus the battle ground is in China too now... i feel i'm Si ma yi now...... coz... i am young and i can WAIT
wait till those old man are weak then i will bully them and finished them off...hehehehe 
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wei yan died in the end for treason.Originally posted by yongyong:liu bei killed the dragon and the phoenix.....
1. Pang Tong is dead because liu bei wanted pang tong to ride on his horse.
2. Kong Ming borrowed life from the god, but Wei Yan rushed in and destroy the ceremony. Who the hell is Wei Yan ? Kong Ming once wanna killed him, buy liu bei stopped him.
kong ming arranged for his death at deathbed. -
Liu Chan is the worst one. But why Liu Chan so lousy, because his dad Liu Bei doesn't know how to teach him, he live in a protected and pleasure environment since young, of coz don't know much thing lah.
Liu Bei also one, when Guan Yu's province is under attack by Cao Cao and Sun Quan, he refused to send reinforcement to help his sworn in brother. The defeat of Guan Yu cause some other chaining effect for example loss of land, the death of Zhang Fei, Liu Bei, break up bettwen Shu and Wu.
Kong Ming also one, he purposely let Guan Yu guard the path to watch for Cao Cao after the Che Bi battle. He think that if Cao Cao is killed, Sun Quan will change target to Han Dynasty. wrong moves lah. -
The son is weak..Historian mentioned that Kong Ming was jealous of Guan Yu that why never go to his rescue. In actual world Guan Yu wasn't that good and was beautified by the novel. The real one is Zhau Yun..both fighting and intelligence. gutsy tooOriginally posted by justdoit77:Liu Chan is the worst one. But why Liu Chan so lousy, because his dad Liu Bei doesn't know how to teach him, he live in a protected and pleasure environment since young, of coz don't know much thing lah.
Liu Bei also one, when Guan Yu's province is under attack by Cao Cao and Sun Quan, he refused to send reinforcement to help his sworn in brother. The defeat of Guan Yu cause some other chaining effect for example loss of land, the death of Zhang Fei, Liu Bei, break up bettwen Shu and Wu.
Kong Ming also one, he purposely let Guan Yu guard the path to watch for Cao Cao after the Che Bi battle. He think that if Cao Cao is killed, Sun Quan will change target to Han Dynasty. wrong moves lah. -
Zhao Yun, Chang pan po, 1 against duno how many Cao Cao generals.Originally posted by king108:The son is weak..Historian mentioned that Kong Ming was jealous of Guan Yu that why never go to his rescue. In actual world Guan Yu wasn't that good and was beautified by the novel. The real one is Zhau Yun..both fighting and intelligence. gutsy too
Zhuge liang fated not to reunite Han Dynasty.
Now I just finished watching Han Wu Da Di, it's not bad one too. -
Kong ming is smart,but he did not take care of his own health hence he die earlier than sima yi
Kong ming does not have a good ruler or leader,Liu chan or liu shan is only a spoil brat who enjoy his father success.
Hence in the end the sima family united the 3 kingdom -
Kong Ming died before the war ended, right?
Actually, most of the original characters had died when the Sima guys took over.
But blardy Liu Bei died of GRIEF.
WHO THE HELL DIES LIKE THAT?
Even worse, Zhang Fei was killed in a bar fight...such a fierce and powerful warrior, getting killed in a bar fight. -
bar fight?Originally posted by gr2012:Kong Ming died before the war ended, right?
Actually, most of the original characters had died when the Sima guys took over.
But blardy Liu Bei died of GRIEF.
WHO THE HELL DIES LIKE THAT?
Even worse, Zhang Fei was killed in a bar fight...such a fierce and powerful warrior, getting killed in a bar fight.
In the novel Zhang Fei was killed in his sleep by his subordinates who later deflect to Wu -
[quote]Originally posted by justdoit77:
[b]Liu Chan is the worst one. But why Liu Chan so lousy, because his dad Liu Bei doesn't know how to teach him, he live in a protected and pleasure environment since young, of coz don't know much thing lah.
the apple does not fall far from the tree. -
One thing that you must agree that Kong Ming is a great talker...he out talked the minister and scholar of East Wu country..Even scholar eat dung when talking to him.
I would chose to debate on a particular topic openly a one to one basic when I know..
I am no Kong Ming -
Seven defeats (capture) and seven releases of "Mang Hou". This parts of the stories show that Kong Ming was good when handling barbarians.
Why did he do that and no killing him on the first, second or third times..giving 7 chances to opponents is stupid? smart? or too free nothing to do?
Will us in real life do that to our opponent..as long as you are human..the answer can be never..
I think Kong Ming's move is smart. Like "Han Zhong Wang" never killed the Qin surrendered soldiers, while "Chu Ba Wang" killed a lot because of his loved woman "Ji"
In real life, I never go after a scared dog to a dead corner, cause he may bite me at all cost..Hence, it is good to let the opponent to have a retreat route so that they will surrender with less resistance.
However, the smartest move may be buying their heart if they are loyal to their old bosses, else can considered removing him when you have replacement.
No all opponents are no good for you. History does show us that we can have talented opponent giving their service if you respected them.
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I believe the Romance of the Three Kingdoms has wrongly put an emphasis on war strategies and intrigues. This is harmful for society.
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Originally posted by Li Ka Shing:I believe the Romance of the Three Kingdoms has wrongly put an emphasis on war strategies and intrigues. This is harmful for society. Will till date, yet majority of the reader believed. Hence, you will have to start a thread crushing them down..I wish you good luck if you going to explore it's harmfulness. For me, "Ke Wei Zi Er We Zi"
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i find it silly.Originally posted by king108: Seven defeats (capture) and seven releases of "Mang Hou". This parts of the stories show that Kong Ming was good when handling barbarians.
Why did he do that and no killing him on the first, second or third times..giving 7 chances to opponents is stupid? smart? or too free nothing to do?
Will us in real life do that to our opponent..as long as you are human..the answer can be never..
I think Kong Ming's move is smart. Like "Han Zhong Wang" never killed the Qin surrendered soldiers, while "Chu Ba Wang" killed a lot because of his loved woman "Ji"
In real life, I never go after a scared dog to a dead corner, cause he may bite me at all cost..Hence, it is good to let the opponent to have a retreat route so that they will surrender with less resistance.
However, the smartest move may be buying their heart if they are loyal to their old bosses, else can considered removing him when you have replacement.
No all opponents are no good for you. History does show us that we can have talented opponent giving their service if you respected them.
Any comments.
how many actually died or got injured just to make him 'fu' kong ming? -
Originally posted by dragg:i find it silly.
how many actually died or got injured just to make him 'fu' kong ming? Some times, you got not choice, especially barbarians..You must make sure they "Xin Fu Koa Fu" else they will rebel anytime.. Do you wanted your backyard burned while fighting the wolves attacking your chickens. Hence, it's worth to have the soldier died for the name. Else you will have likely more soldier dieing for no name later.. -
It's a novel.
Not history.