Who is the creator of the universe?
-
Increasingly, people are beginning to realize that the Creationist (Intelligent Design) camp and their nemesis, the Dariwinist (Evolution) camp, are both oversimplifying matters. Neither is the entire truth. The more wholistic picture that now emerges, is one of Extraterrestrial Interventionism.
See *here*. -
Useless speculation. Anybody can speculate anything they want. Unless observations and evidence that meet the standards set by the scientific method are produced to back up the speculation.... it remains useless speculation.Originally posted by UltimaOnline:Increasingly, people are beginning to realize that the Creationist (Intelligent Design) camp and their nemesis, the Dariwinist (Evolution) camp, are both oversimplifying matters. Neither is the entire truth. The more wholistic picture that now emerges, is one of Extraterrestrial Interventionism.
See *here*.
That is not to say that it cannot be true. It is for he moment useless speculation that is baseless. -
Show prove what you just said; that it is all in the mind. What does it matter if "he will of course strongly belief in christianity" and understands that it is simply his personal belief?Originally posted by hxm:it is all in the mind. all religions are made up by man. man fears the unknown, and religions make them feel protected and such. let's say a man is dying from cancer, and he becomes a christian. god's powers might save him. let's say he survives the ordeal, he will of course strongly belief in christianity.
-
how would I know? debate one possibility at a time? endless would mean we'd debate for eternity or until a possibility becomes a fact. So yeah that would be a direction to proceed in. We could then give ourselves hope we're getting closer to the truth when in reality we're getting nowhere. =)Originally posted by casino_king:there are endless possibilities.... so how do we proceed, in your opinion? -
Originally posted by Tayysj:how would I know? debate one possibility at a time? endless would mean we'd debate for eternity or until a possibility becomes a fact. So yeah that would be a direction to proceed in. We could then give ourselves hope we're getting closer to the truth when in reality we're getting nowhere. =)
-
What we know on Earth now is just a tiny drop in the vast ocean of Knowledge.
-
i'm only 15? lolOriginally posted by SixSentinels:gr2012 is only a 13-year-old kid yet he tries to debate over religious and scientific matters with a bunch of adults ahahahahahahah can you see now why he easily believes what the Bible says? Because he's young and innocent and does not know anything yet...
-
aww...that sucks, my player could have made me better lookingOriginally posted by Tayysj:Hmm, since its this topic.. then on a side note: watch da vinci code specials every wednesday, 10pm, on arts central.
anyway. maybe we're all in a computer game like the sims or a computer world like the matrix. or earth is actually just an atom in a black coloured object we know as the universe which is in another bigger giant world. then we're all creatures on an atom in an object in a big big giant world which in turn is in another universe (endless).
or maybe we're all just sims like in the game The Sims and we're all controlled by some stupid people playing an MMORPG and we're all just programmed beings. =)
there are endless possibilities. -
it is all in the mind, as there are so many religions and beliefs in the world. if god , any god, was the only god, he would have abolished all the other beliefs in the world.Originally posted by casino_king:Show prove what you just said; that it is all in the mind. What does it matter if "he will of course strongly belief in christianity" and understands that it is simply his personal belief? -
Originally posted by SixSentinels:
Can you please put me under the Oppositions. No god for me
[b]Opposition:
casino_king
SixSentinels
Nelstar
OldMan
tIfosI
alien2
newmanmback
hxm
Neutrals:
laoda99
DeepSpace
chenc
moongster
MooKu
maggot
Religious Fanatics:
gr2012
As you can see, the religious fanatics have lost this debate because there is just insufficient evidence to proof that what they said is accurate.[/b]
-
Nevertheless we have to work within this framework. This are no alternatives to that.Originally posted by SixSentinels:What we know on Earth now is just a tiny drop in the vast ocean of Knowledge. -
What is all in the mind? The existence of God (or those wupernatural creatures believed by Buddhists who are not godsOriginally posted by hxm:it is all in the mind, as there are so many religions and beliefs in the world. if god , any god, was the only god, he would have abolished all the other beliefs in the world.
) or the supremacy of a particular God? -
Why do you even care? Let's see, OLDMAN is obviously Buddhist and Buddhist believe in supernatural beings that do fantastic things like walking on water and travel between "heavens" and earth..... but to Buddhists, they are not "gods." Can we let them get away with that?Originally posted by chenc:Can you please put me under the Oppositions. No god for me
chenc said:
What is God then? Do you know exactly how God look like? Or is there a fix look at all? All you believers say is God is a creator of all. Then if that alien is the creator of all, why can't he be God.
If your alien is God... you believe in God! -
*yawns*
havent end ah? -
soon soon... after we found out who.Originally posted by Nelstar:*yawns*
havent end ah? -
This topic getting nowhere
How about who is the creator of the first bio-engineered disease free human?
Or who will create the first human clone?
Or who will clone an army of soldiers that listens only to 1 man?
-
Answer: Singaporeans? LKY?Originally posted by maggot:Or who will clone an army of soldiers that listens only to 1 man? -
Actually I got nothing against people in this thread except thread starter.Originally posted by casino_king:soon soon... after we found out who.
No offences to all. I'm just exhibiting my non-belief. -
I am curious; non belief in what? The existence of the universe?Originally posted by Nelstar:Actually I got nothing against people in this thread except thread starter.
No offences to all. I'm just exhibiting my non-belief. -
This is the most addictive threads I read so far in Sgforum..And the conclusion is nowhere near the END. Although casino_king tried to add with his famous last words. I am surprised no - one I mean nobody tried to summarize all the salient points? Beat me. So please Come..Well let me give a try after reading all the 9 solid pages..Originally posted by Amsyari:Can anyone tell me who is the creator of this universe?
Okay "who create this universe?" Presuming it meant Creator C> or just why this universe we, can be still so, any explanation? And so like vultures looking for a feast, all came in to have their say...
^tamago^ can in first and tell U people to go to the bush and mediate. an obvious mystic himself/herself? Then.. followed by others. Such as flying http://www.twistedhopes.com and Fireice .. All losing their strength until
Alien from nowhere jump in with his Om om om...The all the vultures get a little warm up. Hoping to devour that little rabbit who dare to peep out but another birdie fly by > suggested that there is an entity beyond reasons or imaginations or limitations in our mind. So the fire get warmer. and shiny Nelstar demanded verdicts to crucify the little ''how dare U come here Gu2012!">let's be sensible: any factual evidence so..? All fly away..?
No way.. All wanting to come close and points with their amazing poky Halah foods, Jewish Muslim ideas, simple denial by textbooks case, & proofs of Big band theory etc.. but all eh atheists really missing their points of viewsthen occasionally interrupted with popcorn and ice scream sales pitch etc...Even one came with an atheistic Buddha in the noose concept...
http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma3/budgod.html well so the fury get hotter ending with proofs of God plus idea of God and so on. Then Alien2 really rock a bit until casino King overruled the universe question with his donkey theory: the grass is greener on my side, when in fact he is just try not to humble himself to grassroots and not starved out with his self imposed starvation...shouting Oh the green is green, now right, now left. And so on...
Finally U all got the picture yet. No non? I give up too...Only the fools said to himself>>>>God!
from the Bible...
-
if you can argue that an ultra-intelligent omnipotent being can pop out of nowhere, i can similarly state that an ultra-huge borderless universe with intelligent lives can exist without any divine intervention.
-
WElcome in for now..please state your case in more details..than just sayingOriginally posted by OldMan:if you can argue that an ultra-intelligent omnipotent being can pop out of nowhere, i can similarly state that an ultra-huge borderless universe with intelligent lives can exist without any divine intervention.
an ultra-huge borderless universe with intelligent lives can exist without any divine intervention
so? What is this borderless thign/entity/or waht? U call? an expanse? Universe? like the universities? -
or just another system like UltraMan orOriginally posted by norey:WElcome in for now..please state your case in more details..than just saying
an ultra-huge borderless universe with intelligent lives can exist without any divine intervention
so? What is this borderless thing/entity/or waht? U call? an expanse? Universe? like the universities?
Superfast Computer hidden in the Mountains of XXXCC1234567890 by China?
-
Ah...... Buddha? Brahma? (Hindu) Allah? Ganesha? (Hindu) Jesus? (Christian) Jehovah? (Jewish) Shiva? (Hindu)Originally posted by norey:This is the most addictive threads I read so far in Sgforum..And the conclusion is nowhere near the END. Although casino_king tried to add with his famous last words. I am surprised no - one I mean nobody tried to summarize all the salient points? Beat me. So please Come..Well let me give a try after reading all the 9 solid pages..
Okay "who create this universe?" Presuming it meant Creator or just why this universe we, can be still so, any explanation? And so like vultures looking for a feast, all came in to have their say...
^tamago^ can in first and tell U people to go to the bush and mediate. an obvious mystic himself/herself? Then.. followed by others. Such as flying
Alien from nowhere jump in with his Om om om...The all the vultures get a little warm up. Hoping to devour that little rabbit who dare to peep out but another birdie fly by suggested that there is an entity beyond reasons or imaginations or limitations in our mind. So the fire get warmer. and shiny Nelstar demanded verdicts to crucify the little ''how dare U come here Gu2012!">let's be sensible: any factual evidence so..? All fly away..?
No way.. All wanting to come close and points with their amazing poky Halah foods, Jewish Muslim ideas, simple denial by textbooks case, & proofs of Big band theory etc.. but all eh atheists really missing their points of viewsthen occasionally interrupted with popcorn and ice scream sales pitch etc...Even one came with an atheistic Buddha in the noose concept...
http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma3/budgod.html well so the fury get hotter ending with proofs of God plus idea of God and so on. Then Alien2 really rock a bit until casino King overruled the universe question with his donkey theory: the grass is greener on my side, when in fact he is just try not to humble himself to grassroots and not starved out with his self imposed starvation...shouting Oh the green is green, now right, now left. And so on...
Finally U all got the picture yet. No non? I give up too...
quote:Only the fools said to himself>>>>God!
from the Bible... Wink -
ah... but Buddhism does stop there.... Buddhism claims that supernatural beings that come and go exists side by side with us. Everyone in this world would define the Buddhists supernatural beings as Gods except the Buddhists so how?Originally posted by OldMan:if you can argue that an ultra-intelligent omnipotent being can pop out of nowhere, i can similarly state that an ultra-huge borderless universe with intelligent lives can exist without any divine intervention.