God belongs to whom?
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I know of one consultant surgeon who says that he is not religious but a moralist. That is to say he believes in morals; right and wrong.Originally posted by Ito_^:err.. a manifestation of desire for people who feel life is tough and recognize their impermanent nature - after all everyone dies, and forgotten with time.
simply put, God belongs to the people as people requires a God or some sort of deep philosophical faith to continue living, not only as an individual but as a race.
if there is no such thing as salvation, i wonder how many people would continue to do good deeds?
Well believers are in the minority. About 2 billion out of 6 billion on earth. Comments? -
OK Allah is the same everywhere; are there Gods other than Allah? Or is Allah the only God?Originally posted by aku1b0d0:u're wrong there
Allah is the same in all places, there's no other vewrsion of Allah, not in Malaysia or anywhere else. -
no, there's no other gods according to the holy Quran. (i better shut my mouth now..coz i can easily prove jesus is not a god..)Originally posted by casino_king:OK Allah is the same everywhere; are there Gods other than Allah? Or is Allah the only God? -
You don't have to shut your mouth, you are in the chit chat forum. not the Christian forum. you are most welcome to say anything you want, just don't get angry when other people say what they want. we are not babies.Originally posted by aku1b0d0:no, there's no other gods according to the holy Quran. (i better shut my mouth now..coz i can easily prove jesus is not a god..)
If there is only one God and I cry out to God, only Allah can and will hear me right?
When I pray to God, only Allah can and hear me right?
I cannot pray to the wrong God if there is only one God right? -
yes, u're right. but the question is, do u believe in Allah?Originally posted by casino_king:You don't have to shut your mouth, you are in the chit chat forum. not the Christian forum. you are most welcome to say anything you want, just don't get angry when other people say what they want. we are not babies.
If there is only one God and I cry out to God, only Allah can and will hear me right?
When I pray to God, only Allah can and hear me right?
I cannot pray to the wrong God if there is only one God right? -
Christians believe in God and since there is only one God; then Christians believe in Allah?Originally posted by aku1b0d0:yes, u're right. but the question is, do u believe in Allah?
Jews believe in YHWH and since there is only one God, the YHWH is Allah?
Hindus believe in one ultimate God and since there is only one God, the the one ultimate God is Allah?
So the people in almost every religion that prays to the one and only God is also praying to Allah? Right? They all believe in Allah; since there is only one?
The can call God whatever they want, but since there is only one, then all of them are praying to the same ONE? -
no, they believe in their own gods. as example, Christians believe in Jesus. Buddhists believe in Buddha, Guan Yin, etc etc.Originally posted by casino_king:Christians believe in God and since there is only one God; then Christians believe in Allah?
Jews believe in YHWH and since there is only one God, the YHWH is Allah?
Hindus believe in one ultimate God and since there is only one God, the the one ultimate God is Allah?
So the people in almost every religion that prays to the one and only God is also praying to Allah? Right? They all believe in Allah; since there is only one?
The can call God whatever they want, but since there is only one, then all of them are praying to the same ONE?
and actually, if u study the real Bible, u would find that they do believe in Allah. try the Old Testament. coz i'm not sure where to get a really, really old Bible. -
I am not talking about those that believes in multiple gods.Originally posted by aku1b0d0:no, they believe in their own gods. as example, Christians believe in Jesus. Buddhists believe in Buddha, Guan Yin, etc etc.
and actually, if u study the real Bible, u would find that they do believe in Allah. try the Old Testament. coz i'm not sure where to get a really, really old Bible.
I am talking about those that believe in God.
Let's say I am not a Muslim or Christian or anything.... and one day I cry out to God. God help me.
Who hears my cry for help? Since there is only one, only that ONE will hear my cry right? -
yes, that means the god has heard ur cry. but i can't say there's only one god in the world, since every religion has their own god. as example, buddhists believe in multiple-gods (if i'm not wrong), red indians believe that everything in this world has spirit in it.Originally posted by casino_king:I am not talking about those that believes in multiple gods.
I am talking about those that believe in God.
Let's say I am not a Muslim or Christian or anything.... and one day I cry out to God. God help me.
Who hears my cry for help? Since there is only one, only that ONE will hear my cry right?
if u're asking for a muslim's point of view. in Islam, we believe that Allah sees and hears every single thing that we do and say. Allah knows everything, what we want to do, what we intend to do, what we're thinking right now, the history, the future, etc etc. -
Just now you said the Holy Quran says that there is only one God right?Originally posted by aku1b0d0:yes, that means the god has heard ur cry. but i can't say there's only one god in the world, since every religion has their own god. as example, buddhists believe in multiple-gods (if i'm not wrong), red indians believe that everything in this world has spirit in it.
if u're asking for a muslim's point of view. in Islam, we believe that Allah sees and hears every single thing that we do and say. Allah knows everything, what we want to do, what we intend to do, what we're thinking right now, the history, the future, etc etc. -
And in the example I gave you you said "yes, that means the god has heard ur cry. " It means that Allah can hear the cries of everybody and not just Muslims right?
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and i didn't say that i believe there's other god than Allah. i'm juz trying to be more open-minded and give u my views about the God. i can't say that Jesus and Buddha don't exist since it will offend Christians and Buddhists since they have their own beliefs.Originally posted by casino_king:Just now you said the Holy Quran says that there is only one God right?
and forget about Christianity. even Da Vinci Code offended Christians in India. what no-brainers... and here, lemme give u the URL
http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,19046,00.html?rsslatest
EDIT: yes, Allah hears to everybody's cry. -
So it is OK not to be a Muslim since God hears everybody's cry?Originally posted by aku1b0d0:and i didn't say that i believe there's other god than Allah. i'm juz trying to be more open-minded and give u my views about the God. i can't say that Jesus and Buddha don't exist since it will offend Christians and Buddhists since they have their own beliefs.
and forget about Christianity. even Da Vinci Code offended Christians in India. what no-brainers... and here, lemme give u the URL
http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,19046,00.html?rsslatest
EDIT: yes, Allah hears to everybody's cry. -
yes, it's what we call human's rights. but we believe that non-Muslims would be the oil that keeps the fire in the hell burning.Originally posted by casino_king:So it is OK not to be a Muslim since God hears everybody's cry? -
T don't really understand this statement. Please explain. Since God hear's everybody's cries, then then there is no need to be a Muslim to cry to God and for God to hear his cries, yes?Originally posted by aku1b0d0:yes, it's what we call human's rights. but we believe that non-Muslims would be the oil that keeps the fire in the hell burning. -
yes, u dont have to be a Muslim to ask for help from Allah. But one, u would be sinned in ur religious and two, the chance for Allah to grant ur wish would be lower than muslims'.Originally posted by casino_king:T don't really understand this statement. Please explain. Since God hear's everybody's cries, then then there is no need to be a Muslim to cry to God and for God to hear his cries, yes? -
From what you had said, i don't think you understand the meaning of the word 'controversy'. Please go look it up before using itOriginally posted by aku1b0d0:don't wanna make somekinda controversy here, so i'll juz say that God belongs to those who believe in Him. -
Well I am happy that you believe that Allah does not belong to the Muslims only. What is "u would be sinned in ur religious?"Originally posted by aku1b0d0:yes, u dont have to be a Muslim to ask for help from Allah. But one, u would be sinned in ur religious and two, the chance for Allah to grant ur wish would be lower than muslims'. -
u're ryte. i was too lazy to find the word that i wanted and i juz typed 'controversy' to save timeOriginally posted by chenc:From what you had said, i don't think you understand the meaning of the word 'controversy'. Please go look it up before using it -
LOL, who needs proves. The wise will know he is not god from the startOriginally posted by aku1b0d0:no, there's no other gods according to the holy Quran. (i better shut my mouth now..coz i can easily prove jesus is not a god..)
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ok, let's talk about the coloured part.Originally posted by chenc:LOL, who needs proves. The wise will know he is not god from the start
but according to my religious, your Jesus didn't want to be crossed what.
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Well I am happy that you believe that Allah does not belong to the Muslims only. What is "u would be sinned in ur religious?"Originally posted by aku1b0d0:yes, u dont have to be a Muslim to ask for help from Allah. But one, u would be sinned in ur religious and two, the chance for Allah to grant ur wish would be lower than muslims'. -
*yawns* i'm sleepy here. so forgive my grammar/spelling mistakes...Originally posted by casino_king:Well I am happy that you believe that Allah does not belong to the Muslims only. What is "u would be sinned in ur religious?"
e.g if u're christian, by crying for help from other God, u would be sinned since u should ask for help from Jesus Christ only ryte? -
spelling and grammer not the main issue so it is ok.Originally posted by aku1b0d0:*yawns* i'm sleepy here. so forgive my grammar/spelling mistakes...
e.g if u're christian, by crying for help from other God, u would be sinned since u should ask for help from Jesus Christ only ryte?
Say I am not a Christian and I cry out to God and God hears me and answers me. So I start a new religion and I say simply that all my followers must pray only to God.
So this new religion, even though it is not Islam, it is OK? -
in Islam, it's not ok since the steps on how to pray, what to do, etc etc is different from Islam.Originally posted by casino_king:spelling and grammer not the main issue so it is ok.
Say I am not a Christian and I cry out to God and God hears me and answers me. So I start a new religion and I say simply that all my followers must pray only to God.
So this new religion, even though it is not Islam, it is OK?