Another NS Serviceman dies again!
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whatever it is, the standard pattern after these deaths is always Teo Cheap Hean and some Mindef folks saying "We extend our condolences" to xxxxx and we will look very seriously into this matter and look at what has gone wrong, and we will review these safety standards again and......."
Now their "safety standards" and SOP what revision already? 30.5? 40 Draft B?
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When you see someone drowning, you dun just throw a float to that weak fellow. And why can't the instructor swim? Why didnt he jump into the pool to save the Officer? What a joke man. Another cover-up scandal in the making.
NS IS KILLING SINGAPORE -
because nowadays the instructors or commanders do not now how to look out for potential emergencies/accidents....Originally posted by dragg:i am sure training was much tougher and less safe in the past. but why so many deaths nowadays?
they are not properly/well briefed to look for signs of people in trouble or impending trouble, like drowning etc...
Last time, the commanders are more experienced...if anything is to be blamed, blame the SAF for not teaching the instructors well.
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precisely, these trainers do NOT know whether the trainees are kenging or not...they are NOT taught how to see potential signs of dangers.Originally posted by tango_jazze:I don't know what is MINDEF dong. There had been so many deaths in the army and all of us know it mainly comes from the Commandos. Their training is too tough and they keep thinking that when the trainnees claimed that they cannot tah han anymore, they think they cao geng. Then people keep dying. This is the dunno number what person that die le. Then everytime someone died, they say they will "improve" the safety measures, but apparently not at the problematic part. LT Commandos die, they change some safety measure for the recruits at Tekong. . And Fatem is right!! They force you to drink so much water. Everytime during water parades, people will be vomitting!! They are so inflexible. They force people to drink so much water even if there is not much vigourous training. After personally going through the army, all singaporean men will know how shitty The Army is. When I read the army magazine, they make it as if its some glorified act to be in the army. I think the person feature in the picture is not even in the army, just some male model~
RIP my dead comrade. We all grieve for you and know the injustice you suffered.
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No? The soldiers SHOULD be briefed that if at any time where you have the 1st instance of any difficulty in water, you SHOULD sound out.Originally posted by dakkon_blackblade:It's hard to tell whether there was any negligence involved in this case. One interesting point to note is that he collapsed so fast after sounding out to the instructor. This might imply that he was trying very hard to tahan but in the end left it too late to declare that he couldn't take it anymore. Hence pride might have played a factor in this. Instructors should be more alert in these cases to spot the danger signs before they make themselves obvious, so as to prevent any cases of soldiers who refused to sound out when feeling unwell due to personal pride issue.
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Of course. The keyword here is, as you highlighted, "should", which is not equivalent to "must" or "will". Even if properly briefed, in such an elite unit as the commandos, trainees might refrain from sounding out as they might be afraid of being seen as "weak" or "gu niang". Hence there's greater onus on the instructors to spot the dangers before they occur.Originally posted by nightzip:No? The soldiers SHOULD be briefed that if at any time where you have the 1st instance of any difficulty in water, you SHOULD sound out.
I blame the trainers. for not conducting a thorough safety briefing. -
2nd Sgt Hu died 21 Aug 2003. Remember this incident? Another navy man also died in CNB during special force training in june last yr.
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RIP.
The army is training soldiers to defend the country but they die even b4 they can fulfill this mission. Whats the point? The strict and tough training creates a tension like a rubberband - so when the tenstion is released (ORD) most army guys slack even more as compare to the time b4 they joined the army. And they develop a mindset....'at last i am out of hell'.
Tell them to defend their country? hmm...
Just my humble opinion as a Singaporean gal based on my observation.
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OMG I going NS soon
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*preparing for the funeral precession of borntolive*Originally posted by borntolive:OMG I going NS soon 
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The tension release example, is sadly quite true.Originally posted by ellen27:RIP.
The army is training soldiers to defend the country but they die even b4 they can fulfill this mission. Whats the point? The strict and tough training creates a tension like a rubberband - so when the tenstion is released (ORD) most army guys slack even more as compare to the time b4 they joined the army. And they develop a mindset....'at last i am out of hell'.
Tell them to defend their country? hmm...
Just my humble opinion as a Singaporean gal based on my observation. -
*sigh* just came back from a movie + dinner with my b/f, seems like the wake is still going on at this time. the poor mother...I saw her and tried to console her, but she appears to still be in shock over the whole incident. can't blame her either...he was a fine young man, very well mannered and a filial son too.
also apparently, Lional's mum was completely against the idea of him joining the commando unit, but he insisted on doing so. sigh, she's probably very glad that her second son is doing nursing... -
heard this chap is SOF trainee and SOH for his OCC cohort. what a waste.
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[quote]Originally posted by le cruz:
heard this chap is SOF trainee and SOH for his OCC cohort. what a waste.
He's a SOF trainee and a very nice guy... -
They anyhow grab people join commando one leh...
My fren went for the interview then he purposely screw up and end up go Cdo Bmt...
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[quote]Originally posted by jianfish9:
They anyhow grab people join commando one leh...
My fren went for the interview then he purposely screw up and end up go Cdo Bmt...
I thought Cdo would have better screening.
SOF and and CDO are not the same..When i went for the selection, ard 8 of them from CDO..On the 4th day, 12 ppl gave up and 5 from CDO. -
if u go commando interview and act like u dont want to go there, they will instead tend to take u. if u act garang and very eager to join but say u cannot ride bicycle, cannot swim, scared of heights, lousy eyesight, then they will ask you to f off. reverse psychology
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Sigh..
He was from my OCC cohort..
A very nice person.. though he was from commandos, he has no airs to him.
Very helpful, cheerful person..
RIP Lionel.
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why the title say NS??
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'Commando regular officer'
Come on, he should know such a day might happen. -
ya.. he is prepared to die in the battlefield, not swimming pool..Originally posted by ubermagicseller:'Commando regular officer'
Come on, he should know such a day might happen. -
Originally posted by monoslayer:ya.. he is prepared to die in the battlefield, not swimming pool..
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hmm .. some of the replies are a bit insensitive.
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I don't think his death has to do with the siong commando training. Soldiers from non-commando units also die wat. The thing that's consistent is soldiers die and listening closely at what Mindef is saying it's because of the untuned safety standards and SOP.
Every trainer is now saying that they followed the SOP and training standards wat. But what? Soldiers still mati. It's as if they put the blame on the safety standards and SOP!
There are people who put the soldier's life on the line and when the soldier dies, these people shrug and TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY.
That's the problem. NO ONE's JOB IS ON THE LINE WHEN THEY PUT THE SOLDIER'S LIFE ON THE LINE.
1,2,3,4,5,6,etc soldiers die, they still keep their jobs.
So why be so ON in NS for wat? Keep yourself alive and well is far more crucial than to worship and meet their silly safety standards and SOP! -
hmm...the wake is still on. anyone coming? just below my block, lol.