God exists? Or Has man made god rather than god made man
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AmendedOriginally posted by Herzog_Zwei:"Religion is the opiate of Man"
-Karl Marx
Religion that preached of the existence of God is the opiate of Man
-sohguanh
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Man cant create god if its god.
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Vice versa I amended above to "God cant create Man if its Man"Originally posted by davidche:Man cant create god if its god. -
What are you talking about? If man created god, then there is not god in the first placeOriginally posted by davidche:Man cant create god if its god. -
Good song, we should make it into an album and spread to the whole world that god dun exists.
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God exists! As long as there is a person who believes in God, God will always exist. Everyone needs something to believe in, thus God is created in the image of man to represent something in the minds of people.
What I am confuse about is, what is your definition of God?
This is what I got from my dictionary:
god;female->goddess: a spirit or being believed to control some part of the universe or life and often worshipped for doing so, or a representation of the being. -
What rubbish you tokking? Either god exists or he doesn't. If he exists then he exists. If he doesn't then it means that somebody wrote the bible and it is all but a fantasy.Originally posted by SoulDivine:God exists! As long as there is a person who believes in God, God will always exist. Everyone needs something to believe in, thus God is created in the image of man to represent something in the minds of people.
What I am confuse about is, what is your definition of God?
This is what I got from my dictionary:
god;female->goddess: a spirit or being believed to control some part of the universe or life and often worshipped for doing so, or a representation of the being. -
Lets say someone invented the character "A" 2,000 years ago. 2,000 years later, which is now, am I right to say that the character "A" exists even though in physical theory sense, there is no such thing as "A" in terms of atoms/molecules and not even in a form of energy. The character "A" is just a character or image created in the minds of people to represent something in life. Even if you are totally unaware of the existence of "A", it will continue to exists as long as people beleives in the existence of the character "A". Whether you accepts it or not, believe it or not, it is a fact that it will exist throughout your lifetime.
I am sorry if you cannot understand what I am talking about.
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God is absolute.Originally posted by SoulDivine:Lets say someone invented the character "A" 2,000 years ago. 2,000 years later, which is now, am I right to say that the character "A" exists even though in physical theory sense, there is no such thing as "A" in terms of atoms/molecules and not even in a form of energy. The character "A" is just a character or image created in the minds of people to represent something in life. Even if you are totally unaware of the existence of "A", it will continue to exists as long as people beleives in the existence of the character "A". Whether you accepts it or not, believe it or not, it is a fact that it will exist throughout your lifetime.
I am sorry if you cannot understand what I am talking about.
God exists whether or not you believe. -
is this supposed to be a joke?Originally posted by sohguanh:Vice versa I amended above to "God cant create Man if its Man"
well then, lol
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Explain to me what the hell is a singularity then?Originally posted by davidche:God is absolute.
God exists whether or not you believe. -
I understand what you are saying. God simply exists in our imaginationOriginally posted by SoulDivine:Lets say someone invented the character "A" 2,000 years ago. 2,000 years later, which is now, am I right to say that the character "A" exists even though in physical theory sense, there is no such thing as "A" in terms of atoms/molecules and not even in a form of energy. The character "A" is just a character or image created in the minds of people to represent something in life. Even if you are totally unaware of the existence of "A", it will continue to exists as long as people beleives in the existence of the character "A". Whether you accepts it or not, believe it or not, it is a fact that it will exist throughout your lifetime.
I am sorry if you cannot understand what I am talking about. -
That's right. We can now see how biased and closed minded you areOriginally posted by davidche:God is absolute.
God exists whether or not you believe. -
Poem of the Madman
-- Friedrich Nietzsche[/quote]
Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning
hours,
ran to the market place, and cried incessantly:
"I seek God! I seek God!"
As many of those who did not believe in God
were standing around just then,
he provoked much laughter.
Has he got lost? asked one.
Did he lose his way like a child? asked another.
Or is he hiding?
Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? emigrated?
Thus they yelled and laughed.
The madman jumped into their midst and pierced them with his eyes.
"Whither is God?" he cried; "I will tell you.
We have killed him---you and I.
All of us are his murderers.
But how did we do this?
How could we drink up the sea?
Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon?
What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun?
Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving?
Away from all suns?
Are we not plunging continually?
Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions?
Is there still any up or down?
Are we not straying, as through an infinite nothing?
Do we not feel the breath of empty space?
Has it not become colder? Is not night continually closing in on us?
Do we not need to light lanterns in the morning?
Do we hear nothing as yet of the noise of the gravediggers
who are burying God?
Do we smell nothing as yet of the divine decomposition?
Gods, too, decompose.
God is dead.
God remains dead.
And we have killed him.
"How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers?
What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled
to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us?
What water is there for us to clean ourselves?
What festivals of atonement, what sacred gamesshall we have to invent?
Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us?
Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?
There has never been a greater deed; and whoever is born after us -
For the sake of this deed he will belong to a higher history than all
history hitherto."
Here the madman fell silent and looked again at his listeners;
and they, too, were silent and stared at him in astonishment.
At last he threw his lantern on the ground,
and it broke into pieces and went out.
"I have come too early," he said then; "my time is not yet.
This tremendous event is still on its way, still wandering;
it has not yet reached the ears of men.
Lightning and thunder require time;
the light of the stars requires time;
deeds, though done, still require time to be seen and heard.
This deed is still more distant from them than most distant stars -
and yet they have done it themselves.
It has been related further that on the same day
the madman forced his way into several churches
and there struck up his requiem aeternam deo.
Led out and called to account, he is said always to have replied nothing
but:
"What after all are these churches now
if they are not the tombs and sepulchers of God?" -
... must God's existence rely on someone's inability to prove he exists? Can anyone prove that God does not exists.Originally posted by ShutterBug:I cannot prove it, nor can anyone else, .... -
That's true. And if you apply the same logic to every other part of your life, then you must be an alien and bigfoot believer. Because you can't prove they don't exist either.Originally posted by o_skipper:... must God's existence rely on someone's inability to prove he exists? Can anyone prove that God does not exists. -
You obviously don't understand. He is talking about the "law of non-contradiction". Simply put, you cannot say that, "God" doesn't exists, if there is no God. Now its a different topic, if you ask/say, "who is God?", or "what is God?", or What is God's purpose for us?".Originally posted by kecang_puteh:I understand what you are saying. God simply exists in our imagination
If you can say that there is something in the universe, then that something exists, if it doesn't exists then we wouldn't still know about it... even if that 'thing' is only a word it still exists. Further, its spelled with a capital "G". -
You have obviously gone bonkers. Tell me if elves existOriginally posted by o_skipper:You obviously don't understand. He is talking about the "law of non-contradiction". Simply put, you cannot say that, "God" doesn't exists, if there is no God. Now its a different topic, if you ask/say, "who is God?", or "what is God?", or What is God's purpose for us?".
If you can say that there is something in the universe, then that something exists, if it doesn't exists then we wouldn't still know about it... even if that 'thing' is only a word it still exists. Further, its spelled with a capital "G". -
Originally posted by o_skipper:
Really? Which part of my post did I say that?
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You obviously don't understand. He is talking about the "law of non-contradiction". Simply put, you cannot say that, "God" doesn't exists, if there is no God. b]
There are 2 possibilities:
(1) God exists and he created man
(2) God doesn't exist and he is created by man through man's imagination
Now, which part do you not understand? -
Good, now we're getting somewhere.Originally posted by kecang_puteh:That's true. Can anyone prove that aliens do not exist? Can anyone prove that bigfoot doesn't exist? I guess they all exist then
No, I'm not saying that they don't.
only the statement, you can't prove that the existence or non-existence of something by only saying show me the proof.
There can/must be records of historical & factual events, sometimes supernatural, and unaided by man that truly happened and were/are recorded in a certain media of that time, experiences or sightings, felt and seen by a large no of people.. for prove to be valid... agreed? -
Please answer my questions first horOriginally posted by o_skipper:Good, now we're getting somewhere.
No, I'm not saying that they don't. only the statement, you can't prove that the existence or non-existence of something by only saying show me the proof.
There can/must be records of historical & factual events, sometimes supernatural, and unaided by man that truly happened and were/are recorded in a certain media of that time, experiences or sightings, felt and seen by a large no of people.. for prove to be valid... agreed? -
Guys can do this thread in Eternal Hope forum.
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CannotOriginally posted by davidche:Guys can do this thread in Eternal Hope forum.If you can say that there is something in the universe, then that something exists, if it doesn't exists then we wouldn't still know about it... even if that 'thing' is only a word it still exists. Further, its spelled with a capital "G".
This kind of rubbish can only come out of a very illogical and biased person's mouth. So, what you trying to say? That god only exists as a word? -
Maybe i shld rephrase my sentance.Originally posted by kecang_puteh:That's right. We can now see how biased and closed minded you are
Truth is absolute
Truth is the truth whether or not we think it is.
Say an apple is an apple.
Even If a person doesnt believe that an apple is an apple
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here is some logic use.Originally posted by kecang_puteh:That's true. And if you apply the same logic to every other part of your life, then you must be an alien and bigfoot believer. Because you can't prove that they don't exist either.
He said that you cannot say God doesnt exist because you cant prove God doesnt exists
This statement doesnt mean that anything cant be proven not to exist has to exist.(in any case, inclu big foot)
say, a grape is a fruit, but a fruit is not grape.
which means that A=b is not equals to b=A
strange but thats logic for you.