God exists? Or Has man made god rather than god made man
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Originally posted by kaister:
sigh.....kecang_puteh, you mind teaching this guy?
I believe in the invisible pink unicorn...
You cannot see it, so [b]you cannot prove it does not exist - so therefore it must exist! Prove me wrong!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn
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see lah, clone, told you you shld read ppl's posts. -
Not a clone... look at join-date... I just don't talk a lot.
Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that this is quite a pointless arguement that will go on forever. Both sides believe deeply in their arguements and will never convince either parties otherwise.
Yes, the biggest irony here is that neither side can present concrete evidence and are arguing based on their beliefs. The invisible, pink unicorn is a very good analogy to how you can't prove my "belief" otherwise... Visit the link to see what I mean.
The main thing is hold on to your faith if you believe that to be the truth. -
oh i c,...apologies.Originally posted by kaister:Not a clone... look at join-date... I just don't talk a lot.
Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that this is quite a pointless arguement that will go on forever. Both sides believe deeply in their arguements and will never convince either parties otherwise.
Yes, the biggest irony here is that neither side can present concrete evidence and are arguing based on their beliefs. The invisible, pink unicorn is a very good analogy to how you can't prove my "belief" otherwise... Visit the link to see what I mean.
The main thing is hold on to your faith if you believe that to be the truth.
But do note that what cant be proven to exist doesnt mean it doesnt exist and also doesnt mean that it exist.
My point basically is to show that God can never be proven to exist. NEVER. and IMPOSSIBLE in human ways. -
You're so right on this. However advanced science is in proving man was not created by God, people will just simply change their perspective, creating other ways for God to exist.Originally posted by davidche:oh i c,...apologies.
But do note that what cant be proven to exist doesnt mean it doesnt exist and also doesnt mean that it exist.
My point basically is to show that God can never be proven to exist. NEVER. and IMPOSSIBLE in human ways.
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dont need to create other ways.Originally posted by kaister:You're so right on this. However advanced science is in proving man was not created by God, people will just simply change their perspective, creating other ways for God to exist.
Ppl once learnt from science that matter was made up from the four elements. Now they say its atoms.
You see, scientific theories get overturned one over the other.
The truth however, stays the same. -
Mr Kaister, it must be your first time arguing with a christian. The problem with these people is that they have a very narrow mind. Their mind is already fixed on the notion that god exists. No matter what you say, they will argue otherwise, even when their arguments don't make sense. They also think they know the truth and that nobody else knows. How do they know the truth? This is something really nobody knows.
The problem with their arguments is that they are sometimes logical and sometimes illogical. Whatever suits their agenda will be used. So, sometimes they get confused and accidentally fall into the realm of logic. For example, in the following post, davidche came to a logical conclusion:Originally posted by davidche:
Then he double confirmed the logical conclusion:
here is some logic use.
He said that you cannot say God doesnt exist because you cant prove God doesnt exists
This statement doesnt mean that anything cant be proven not to exist has to exist.(in any case, inclu big foot)
say, a grape is a fruit, but a fruit is not grape.
which means that A=b is not equals to b=A
strange but thats logic for you.Originally posted by davidche:
But later, he made a conclusion to the contrary:
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Originally posted by kecang_puteh:
Bravo, you have just said it yourself. It doesn't mean that god can't be proven not to exist, has to exist. To put it another way, it doesn't mean that god has to exist if he can't be proven not to exist.
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ya lah!! duh.....
happy that you understandOriginally posted by davidche:
After which, he tried to argue that both conclusions are correct.
This is also your post
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Originally posted by kecang_puteh:
Davidche, we are good friends right? We both agree that it doesn't mean god has to exist if he can't be proven not to exist. So, we share the same view on god.
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actually no, your view on God is that God may exist.
I believe that God exists and isnt limited by evidences or human's mind esp when he is the creator which makes him have the power to limit the human's mind to be limited.Originally posted by davidche:
yes, is there anything wrong???
God cant be proven to exist.
I believe that God exists because...(important point here).....God doesnt have to abide by the rule of evidences.
Anyways, God can never be proven to exist. NEVER, if you dont understand why, read by upper post.Originally posted by davidche:
Finally, he says that the first answer is correct.
erm...
God cannot be proven to exist doesnt mean he cant exist right? simple.Originally posted by davidche:
Let me repeat. He says that he agree, disagree, both agree and disagree and then he says that he agree. Christians are a confused bunch.
oh, so you mean i shldnt answer no??
sorry then.
Then he says something like god is not bounded by evidence, that's why he exists. But the very reason why god cannot be proven to exist or not exist is because he is not bounded by evidence. So, why does this make him definitely in existence?
Things that don't make sense or go round and round suddenly become the reason why god definitely exists. Yup, that is christianity for you. -
kecang_puteh, that's why I can't be bothered...
Anyone who wants to prove God exist has to first prove that my invisible pink unicorn doesn't exist!
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hmm, interesting topic... I read from certain source that people who believe in god are "naive" ppl. No offence. But i really don believe it. Even in history, there is no solid evidence that god exist. But ppl who believe in god they at least have something to look up to in time of crisis, like the collaspe of the twin tower, plane crash etc......
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My question is, since you can't prove whether gods exists using "human ways" , how do u believe that god exists in the first place?Originally posted by davidche:oh i c,...apologies.
But do note that what cant be proven to exist doesnt mean it doesnt exist and also doesnt mean that it exist.
My point basically is to show that God can never be proven to exist. NEVER. and IMPOSSIBLE in human ways. -
for christians, the assumption of god exists is always there. it's like when u do maths, they alr got the ans. so when they anyhow do and gotten the final ans, they think they're correctOriginally posted by Texcoco II:My question is, since you can't prove whether gods exists using "human ways" , how do u believe that god exists in the first place? -
erm yeah...but as they said, gods can be proven through "human ways", so wat methods do they use to prove god?Originally posted by skyfoo:for christians, the assumption of god exists is always there. it's like when u do maths, they alr got the ans. so when they anyhow do and gotten the final ans, they think they're correct