Oversea Degree
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Hi guys, juz wanna check out somethin regardin abt oversea degree.
Hopefully i can get the ans i want. Thanks alot
Anyway, i am currently studyin in a poly and my GPA is ard 2.2
Juz wanna check if should i purse a degree in Australia,
(1) Is it very difficult to get a degree there ? never mind about a first or second class honours.
(2) I am juz a normal student and i learn things quite slow, am i able to catch up there?
(3) Is it a sure pass degree ? Sort of like somethin call use $ to buy cert thing ?
Thanks alot. Appreciated ur time and ans. Thanks alot -
for 3...if got such a school, might as dont go there. wont learn anythingOriginally posted by mitgalant:Hi guys, juz wanna check out somethin regardin abt oversea degree.
Hopefully i can get the ans i want. Thanks alot
Anyway, i am currently studyin in a poly and my GPA is ard 2.2
Juz wanna check if should i purse a degree in Australia,
(1) Is it very difficult to get a degree there ? never mind about a first or second class honours.
(2) I am juz a normal student and i learn things quite slow, am i able to catch up there?
(3) Is it a sure pass degree ? Sort of like somethin call use $ to buy cert thing ?
Thanks alot. Appreciated ur time and ans. Thanks alot
nothing comes that easily
if thats the case, you might as well go thailand and buy a cert from harvard
please....if you wanna go uni, then go there and be prepared to study
you pay so much for what??? just for the cert????? -
nono, u got me wrong.
what i mean is, study is confirm will one, but will the cert give ppl see as use $ to buy one ?
cos i heard frm ppl say that australia is like use $ to buy cert. so juz checkin if it is really use $ to buy cert. -
Russel Peters..
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-Originally posted by alexkusu:Russel Peters..
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if you want use money buy cert, go china. got people do for you.
want harvard, cambridge, mit all do sui sui for you.
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i have seen international students who spent 5 years to do a 3 year degree prog...Originally posted by mitgalant:nono, u got me wrong.
what i mean is, study is confirm will one, but will the cert give ppl see as use $ to buy one ?
cos i heard frm ppl say that australia is like use $ to buy cert. so juz checkin if it is really use $ to buy cert.
so tat part about using $$$ is not exactly true...
maybe there are cases like tat... but i have not heard of any so far... -
i think what threadstarter is asking is whether going and getting a cert from an australian uni would make people in sg think that s/he only got the cert because of the money and has no true talents.
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first of all; i doubt your proficiency in english would really impress me.
If you're unable to speak perfect english; or inadvertently pepper your sentences with Singlish cause of a dreadful 'habit' which seeped through and entrenced in your articulation; unable to switch seamlessly, then i guess you had better stay in Singapore to soak in the 'Singaporean atmosphere LAH'.
Only the dumb f*cks would waste 3 yrs of their lives studying for a f*cked up diploma; (and f*ckin' dorks spending 2 yrs in JC [& failed their A levels]) ie to say a course which either they're not interested in, not cut out for it or simply the job field isn't wide at all.
Many poly idiots get a sole dip but are not within the top 5%; thus no direct entry to Sg unis.
anyway, the top 0.2% would be able to enter SMU. so treat NUS or NTU as a consolation.
Moreoever staying in Singapore & sticking by their f*cked up education system all your life; havin' no o/seas exposure at all would really sorta disgust me in; one way or another.
You're not buying a degree. You pay 25K for a 2 yr course takin' your bachelors; in a pretty laid back system in a fast-paced environment. It's tough; more so if you're chinese speaking. (but i guess you'll somehow grasp the essence of the English language more or less; learn abt the (aussie, uk, o/seas) culture, enhance your tertiary education & personal experiences.
Enjoy the sights & sounds, full of activities you can do there; not forgetting the babes. Enjoy the exposure; and nudists exposing
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(1) It is extremely difficult, if you don't wish to put in effort. In fact, if you don't put effort into anything, you get nothing.Originally posted by mitgalant:Hi guys, juz wanna check out somethin regardin abt oversea degree.
Hopefully i can get the ans i want. Thanks alot
Anyway, i am currently studyin in a poly and my GPA is ard 2.2
Juz wanna check if should i purse a degree in Australia,
(1) Is it very difficult to get a degree there ? never mind about a first or second class honours.
(2) I am juz a normal student and i learn things quite slow, am i able to catch up there?
(3) Is it a sure pass degree ? Sort of like somethin call use $ to buy cert thing ?
Thanks alot. Appreciated ur time and ans. Thanks alot
(2) No matter how slow you are, putting in effort in the things you know you do poorly, will definitely help.
(3) If you think like that, then my first two points above become utterly redundant. -
firstly, this thread is abt some of the difficulties i might face overseas and not about whether my english is fantastic or not ?Originally posted by trendz:first of all; i doubt your proficiency in english would really impress me.
If you're unable to speak perfect english; or inadvertently pepper your sentences with Singlish cause of a dreadful 'habit' which seeped through and entrenced in your articulation; unable to switch seamlessly, then i guess you had better stay in Singapore to soak in the 'Singaporean atmosphere LAH'.
Only the dumb f*cks would waste 3 yrs of their lives studying for a f*cked up diploma; (and f*ckin' dorks spending 2 yrs in JC [& failed their A levels]) ie to say a course which either they're not interested in, not cut out for it or simply the job field isn't wide at all.
Many poly idiots get a sole dip but are not within the top 5%; thus no direct entry to Sg unis.
anyway, the top 0.2% would be able to enter SMU. so treat NUS or NTU as a consolation.
Moreoever staying in Singapore & sticking by their f*cked up education system all your life; havin' no o/seas exposure at all would really sorta disgust me in; one way or another.
You're not buying a degree. You pay 25K for a 2 yr course takin' your bachelors; in a pretty laid back system in a fast-paced environment. It's tough; more so if you're chinese speaking. (but i guess you'll somehow grasp the essence of the English language more or less; learn abt the (aussie, uk, o/seas) culture, enhance your tertiary education & personal experiences.
Enjoy the sights & sounds, full of activities you can do there; not forgetting the babes. Enjoy the exposure; and nudists exposing
secondly if i am not wrong, u muz be quite old right ? cos now poly no longer have the top 5% get to enter U or somethin but it is down to the GPA already.
thirdly, i dun think you are Singaporean at all.
No offence aimin at you. But somehow thats what i feel.
You cannot aim at those speakin "lousier" english. Afterall there are definately people with even more language barrier that are in the overseas U. So that's definately an unfair statement. -
Assuming what An0nym0us said is true, then the answers will be:Originally posted by mitgalant:Hi guys, juz wanna check out somethin regardin abt oversea degree.
Hopefully i can get the ans i want. Thanks alot
Anyway, i am currently studyin in a poly and my GPA is ard 2.2
Juz wanna check if should i purse a degree in Australia,
(1) Is it very difficult to get a degree there ? never mind about a first or second class honours.
(2) I am juz a normal student and i learn things quite slow, am i able to catch up there?
(3) Is it a sure pass degree ? Sort of like somethin call use $ to buy cert thing ?
Thanks alot. Appreciated ur time and ans. Thanks alot
1. If you are willing to work hard, it is not impossible. It's not that difficult if you work hard. But seeing your GPA, you might have to attend foundation school in Australia if the university accepts you. If they don't require you to attend foundation school, then you won't get the chance to skip modules aka advanced standing.
2. I'm not too sure about the teaching speeds there. But if you are really slow in learning, most likely you have to spend a lot of time reading up before lessons. This includes reading up what that module is about, borrow some books and read up about it. That is if you are accepted by the university.
3. Don't get you. -
Why would you care if someone else's English impresses you? Singlish is already part and parcel of most Singaporeans' lives, if not all. It doesn't mean that if one's English is bad, he/she would fare badly in Australia. Take that elitism mindset off you. The world has changed.Originally posted by trendz:first of all; i doubt your proficiency in english would really impress me.
If you're unable to speak perfect english; or inadvertently pepper your sentences with Singlish cause of a dreadful 'habit' which seeped through and entrenced in your articulation; unable to switch seamlessly, then i guess you had better stay in Singapore to soak in the 'Singaporean atmosphere LAH'.Only the dumb f*cks would waste 3 yrs of their lives studying for a f*cked up diploma; (and f*ckin' dorks spending 2 yrs in JC [& failed their A levels]) ie to say a course which either they're not interested in, not cut out for it or simply the job field isn't wide at all.
Whether or not is that a dumb choice, it's up to the individual. If one is truly interested in that course, then their 3 years is not wasted. Interest spurs a person to do well, even if they are not well within the top 5%.Many poly idiots get a sole dip but are not within the top 5%; thus no direct entry to Sg unis.
The rules have changed. Please read the newspapers.anyway, the top 0.2% would be able to enter SMU. so treat NUS or NTU as a consolation.
Evidence?Moreoever staying in Singapore & sticking by their f*cked up education system all your life; havin' no o/seas exposure at all would really sorta disgust me in; one way or another.
Again, one having no overseas exposure is none of your business, unless you are an employer. If one choose not to go overseas, what can do to them?You're not buying a degree. You pay 25K for a 2 yr course takin' your bachelors; in a pretty laid back system in a fast-paced environment. It's tough; more so if you're chinese speaking. (but i guess you'll somehow grasp the essence of the English language more or less; learn abt the (aussie, uk, o/seas) culture, enhance your tertiary education & personal experiences.
It's not a 2-year course by the way. It will only be 2 years if they grant you advanced standings.
Enjoy the sights & sounds, full of activities you can do there; not forgetting the babes. Enjoy the exposure; and nudists exposing -
Why Australia? there is a common trend now that poly students prefer to seek degree studies overseas. And even more gg overseas will not definitely promise a secure and good job.
I had this inccident where my friend went overseas to study with watever money he could loan from his family and relative but sadly at the end of day he came back to singapore and was still searching job for 8 months. recently he jus gotta a job tat pays he gross 2.2k.... tats kinda saddening.. -
Having studied in Australia for 3 years, I think pursuing an overseas degree may be a good option for you for the following reasons :
a) Your english won't be an issue. There are some local Aussies whose standard of english can't even match yours, and many other International Students whose english is much, much worse than yours, but they can still pass because they can at least grasp the concepts and can be understood. Even if u're officially an english-as-1st-lang student, u CAN opt to take eng-as-2nd-lang classes for free coz it's all incl in the fees.
b) Your result shouldn't really be an issue as long as it's a reasonable pass. Be confident, let them know u're serious abt it, get the proper referrals if required, and there's a high chance they'll let u in. Singapore's standard of education is highly regarded there coz our pre-university curriculum is much more intensive than theirs.
c) The more laid-back pace can mean 2 things.
i) Unlike in Singapore, you will have more opportunities and time to study comfortably, explore your options, evolve as a person, and open your eyes. In other words, you get to be yourself.
ii) You may have problems adjusting to this newfound freedom .. I've come across many Singaporeans who are too used to being told wad to do, not used to having time of their own, not much time for hobbies, not motivated enough .. Aussie shops also close early.. there are alot of distractions like gambling and drugs and MANY S'porean students fall prey to these due to lack of self control..
d) Last but not least, it would give you a great opportunity to try and get overseas work experience.. so that when you come back home, u'll have a great set of skills most companies would be glad to put to use, for (hopefully) decent pay =)
All the best 2u, whatever decision u make ^^ -
i wish i have money to study there oso.
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Only the dumb f*cks would waste 3 yrs of their lives studying for a f*cked up diploma;
That's a pretty c*cky comment. Looks like you have some kind of a personal grudge against diploma holders. if no, care to explain why a diploma is f*cked up and why a diploma holder is a dumb f*ck??Moreoever staying in Singapore & sticking by their f*cked up education system all your life; havin' no o/seas exposure at all would really sorta disgust me in; one way or another
Once again, you are just ranting about what you like/dislike without giving any concrete reasons. Why do you feel not having overseas experience is bad? Are you telling me that all the successful people in Singapore have overseas experience??
To me it all sounds like you have some kind of an inferiority complex, probably stemming from getting rejected by the local unis here and having to run away to a far land to pursue a "oh so holy and great" overseas education. -
Maybe he's just frustrated at the general attitude towards local dips.. sg tends to underpay its own ppl, except in the realli specialised fields / top management positions. Despite our nation's er, progress, local dip holders are still widely perceived as inferior to all degree holders, whether or not the quality of their work proves otherwise ... they basically run a high risk of getting short-changed.
And uh, although he didn't put it too diplomatically, I get what he means.. sg is still a pretty conservative society and the education is very theory-based.. up till today, little or no emphasis is put on practical knowledge, even if employers are beginning to see the value of it and pick their new hires accordingly... on top of this, practical knowledge is limited in sg (not by our own fault) and tt's a reason y companies are increasingly opting for "foreign talent". -
I tink the part abt degree over poly is more for gahment sector as they are heavily influenced by academic qualification. I worked inside and I know. Degree holders sit in cubicles with high panel "walls" whereas poly holders all gather in one area with short panel "walls" and can see each other. Such is a mentality the gahment sector imposes. Scholars have it even better. Got a office with a door!Originally posted by spinsugar:Maybe he's just frustrated at the general attitude towards local dips.. sg tends to underpay its own ppl, except in the realli specialised fields / top management positions. Despite our nation's er, progress, local dip holders are still widely perceived as inferior to all degree holders, whether or not the quality of their work proves otherwise ... they basically run a high risk of getting short-changed.
And uh, although he didn't put it too diplomatically, I get what he means.. sg is still a pretty conservative society and the education is very theory-based.. up till today, little or no emphasis is put on practical knowledge, even if employers are beginning to see the value of it and pick their new hires accordingly... on top of this, practical knowledge is limited in sg (not by our own fault) and tt's a reason y companies are increasingly opting for "foreign talent".
As for private sector, I tink they do prefer poly over degree holders over technical position jobs as to the employers, it is how much work churned out than open mouth tok big in meeting that will bring in profits for company.
spinsugar, your feel is becuz you work in gahment sector or private sector? Of cuz if one wanna move up for promotion, private sector also look at academic qualifications I tink. So the best bet is to get a degree for backup purposes -
haish, i pvt sector.. frus coz din complete studies & come back frm overseas, parents tapped my uni fees to wind up company.. =\ few times company wanted to promo me, but I no degree so .... yeah sure, they admitted my performance and intelligence is on par with other degree holders of higher positions, but in the end they passed up on it coz they "gotta be fair to other staff" since it's a "company requirement"..Originally posted by sohguanh:I tink the part abt degree over poly is more for gahment sector as they are heavily influenced by academic qualification. I worked inside and I know. Degree holders sit in cubicles with high panel "walls" whereas poly holders all gather in one area with short panel "walls" and can see each other. Such is a mentality the gahment sector imposes. Scholars have it even better. Got a office with a door!
As for private sector, I tink they do prefer poly over degree holders over technical position jobs as to the employers, it is how much work churned out than open mouth tok big in meeting that will bring in profits for company.
spinsugar, your feel is becuz you work in gahment sector or private sector? Of cuz if one wanna move up for promotion, private sector also look at academic qualifications I tink. So the best bet is to get a degree for backup purposes
*chuckle* but i think nvm la, this is just a job.. i'm saving up to complete my studies overseas (which is totally unrelated to my current work btw). Tahan abit more onli -
So all poly ppl, for promotion wise best to get a external degree for backup. Despite your strong work performance, you will still be passed for promotion due to academic qualifications. Such is the way Spore works.Originally posted by spinsugar:*chuckle* but i think nvm la, this is just a job.. i'm saving up to complete my studies overseas (which is totally unrelated to my current work btw). Tahan abit more onli
Maybe next time I become employer I will change such farnie mindset mentality? Hehehehehe..... -
I don't think that speaking good English is elitism, sure, singlish is part and parcel of Singaporean lives but on an international level and English being considered an almost international language, you can't expect others in other countries to comprehend you by speaking singlish. Life doesn't only revolve around Singapore.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Why would you care if someone else's English impresses you? Singlish is already part and parcel of most Singaporeans' lives, if not all. It doesn't mean that if one's English is bad, he/she would fare badly in Australia. Take that elitism mindset off you. The world has changed.
As for faring badly due to a poor command of English, it depends on what course and modules you are taking.
Btw, what about an average gpa of 3.4, would I be able to enter an average fairly recognized uni in the uk or us? -
thanks everyone for your support.
i am definitely more geared up and lookin forward to my future studies.
lucky i am not affected by that guy command about my english. haha
more or less, i think i have already made my mind up.
Thanks for the support.
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A note of advice, a direct honours course doesn't gurantee you honours.Originally posted by mitgalant:thanks everyone for your support.
i am definitely more geared up and lookin forward to my future studies.
lucky i am not affected by that guy command about my english. haha
more or less, i think i have already made my mind up.
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what's honours?