SG Malay debunks "Malay-bashing myths"
-
I think that most Chinese/Malay mix are good looking, damn you lucky boy..Originally posted by mhcampboy:nah.. i love myself.
Anyway, I'm Malay but I can't help but agree with some of the myths. I'm kind of disappointed with my own race. Primary school and Secondary, we enjoy free education but yet look at the percentage of Malay undergraduates? I don't have the percentage and I might be stereotyping but its just too common that everywhere I go the ITEs are the malays hanging place. I'm not saying ITEs are a bad place but looking at the mats and minahs from ITEs you will know what kind of people they are.
In terms of Soccer, I DARE YOU THAT BASE ON TALENT, SG can take on the angmohs. The mats can ACTUALLY fuckin play leh, BUT THE STINKING ATTITUDE is why we are still lagging far behind. SUPER FUCKED UP attitude, its disappointing.
The best thing that I hate is how some of the malays blame the government for not giving enough chance for malays to do well. They say Chinese are controlling this country. That is a separate issue which I don't wanna touch on as I believe I'm in no position to comment about such stuff. But what irks me is that, these malays, are just playing the blaming game. Its disgraceful. I mean if you want to be succesful, bloody hell STUDY HARD & WORK FOR IT!
For these various reasons, I'm striving hard in my own career path to make enough money to contribute to help and dive into the root of the problem, which is when these malay kids are young.
*disclaimer* I know I MIGHT be biased and stereotyping based on my own experiences but I take the risk to express it as a generalisation as I believe it is sufficiently significant in the current situations. -
when i got my enlistment letter, i kena SCDF.
on enlistment day on the way there, my dad warned me, "dont make friends with the malays there." i know why lah. lol.
den aft POP, i got to be an instructor for the recruits now.
right now, as intakes pass by, i feel i wanna change the way these malays behave and such. but some are really gone-cases. some of those tattooed, got criminal case kinda guys behave well under me. i feel proud of them... but i worry what they'll do in future. -
Nah.... you just pretty much reiterated what I said about 'tidak-apathy', dinky...
Personally, I'm also sick and tired of Malays complaining that they don't do well because of some government conspiracy or that they live under poor circumstances. Hello? When I was in Upper Sec and JC my family was having serious financial difficulties. I was perpetually hungry and was grossly underweight. The choices I had were stark: use my pocket money to buy lecture notes, or use the money to buy food.
I bought the lecture notes and went hungry.
I'm now in NUS Faculty of Engineering. 3rd Year. Apa official government policy to keep me away from my B.Eng (Mechanical)? Sounds like a whole lot of hogwash to me.
I'm not blowing my own trumpet and sounding off my own achievements. I'm saying that we Malays should jolly well stop blaming others for our own barren achievements and just start working hard. I've come across far too many Malays whining about their lack of abilities, but on further prodding, they admit that they're just too lazy to study hard and do their best.
I am personally disgusted against the prevailing mood of 'tidak apa-thy' and 'Janji Melayu' (the euphemistically-termed 'Malay Promise') which whitewashes our own shortcomings when it comes to effort. -
Perhaps, just perhaps,
There is something wrong with the materialistic / econocentric approach?
Why cant a certain cultural group have a more laid back, family friendly customs and practices?
Is it fair to continuously apply external pressure for them to change their culture and mindset?
Dont forget the Chinese and Indians are immigrants. Merchants.
If you go to China or India, to the interior rural areas, Im sure there are people sitting all day not doing much, same with rural villages areas in South East Asia.
I dont think Malays in Singapore are lazy. This is an incorrect term. Perhaps the more correct one is, discon.... discon...eh, disconjected from the material chase.
Simply,
If an expert do a survey of family happiness, spiritual fulfillness, etc, I believe they will on average score better than Chinese.
So,
I dont think they are lazy, but different world view.
And it is not fair to only measure formal education, income level, etc, yardstick used by merchant-immigrant mindset on them.
Besides, in the Western world also, academics are starting to realize and measure 'real' prosperity, which includes happiness, stress level, family relationship, spirituality etc. More money doesnt mean you are more well off when you are stressed and unhappy.
So what Im saying is,
The term 'lazy' is very one sided view, looking from one point of view only.
And I believe more appreciation, and more softer understanding, is needed, instead of keep pressing for 'reform' for them to 'revolutionize' their culture and customs. -
too long didnt read.
-
gd for u! make the best of it.Originally posted by fudgester:Nah.... you just pretty much reiterated what I said about 'tidak-apathy', dinky...
Personally, I'm also sick and tired of Malays complaining that they don't do well because of some government conspiracy or that they live under poor circumstances. Hello? When I was in Upper Sec and JC my family was having serious financial difficulties. I was perpetually hungry and was grossly underweight. The choices I had were stark: use my pocket money to buy lecture notes, or use the money to buy food.
I bought the lecture notes and went hungry.
I'm now in NUS Faculty of Engineering. 3rd Year. Apa official government policy to keep me away from my B.Eng (Mechanical)? Sounds like a whole lot of hogwash to me.
I'm not blowing my own trumpet and sounding off my own achievements. I'm saying that we Malays should jolly well stop blaming others for our own barren achievements and just start working hard. I've come across far too many Malays whining about their lack of abilities, but on further prodding, they admit that they're just too lazy to study hard and do their best.
I am personally disgusted against the prevailing mood of 'tidak apa-thy' and 'Janji Melayu' (the euphemistically-termed 'Malay Promise') which whitewashes our own shortcomings when it comes to effort. -
For instance,
You will see a typical Chinese man in Singapore working hard until night time, OT.
Yes, he is hardworking.
But he is very stressed, has little time, and cannot even find a wife.
This is true.
Then you will see a Malay man, 'not working so hard' but he will have a big family with 4 kids. On weekeds they will gather with cousins on void deck or their place, having a good time.
It's clear there is a difference in their world views.
Personally Im not sure which one is better. I certainly wont say the stressful life is better.
And....actually to expand on this....
Why some youth go to drugs or crime.....I believe it's the same reason with any other races or cultural groups, all youth sometimes get confused. However the most affected group is the group undergoing a major change, a shift, a disruption in their world view as well as environment.
I mean, look at American Indians, Australian Aborigines, etc groups with rapid environment change. There are alot also of drug abuse and crime. Why?
If white europeans never arrive in America, or Australia, maybe they will be having a different life, wont be so confused.
Not to say the situation is exactly the same with Singapore, but I bet there is a similar connection with cultural-aspects or environment-aspect, which make some of these youth confused and cannot integrate quickly into another set of mindset in the new environment dominated by another cultural group.
So again,
It's unfair to call Malays 'druggie'. I feel this is an incorrect term.
Maybe, less pressure to reform and more soft soft natural evolution way is better way. -
malays have this "be happy with what you have" attitude. or the more popular tidak-apa attitude ah...
and they just love to be with their family and extended families. camping with the entire line of family tree at changi beach lah... what lah...
my whole family sleeps on hari raya till noon. my family is... in the material chase. weirdly. and hari raya, we just stay home. no elders mah.
fudgester, nus mechanical engineering ah? good for you. i gg ntu mech engine. but that's in 2008. NS is making my brain rusty. my junior asked for advice on a lvls and i just froze.
do i mix with malays? yes.
do i choose with which malays i wanna mix with? sadly.. yes. -
My family from both sides, malay and chinese lives happily ever after. Even though they are just in laws and distant in terms of relativity, we get together on all occasion.
We treat everyone the same. The chinese elders will advise the malay youngs even though they are only related by law. The malay elders will reprimand the chinese young if they do any wrongdoing. Its the same throughout.
We see each other as family. And not of race.
-
hahahhhah... i would say that its not all the chinese hate malay la... in every race there is a punk... and its the punk that gets the attention.. haha.. well its like that....
The mats cycle with their... uncle looking bikes....[wearing tapered pants...]
the bengs with red walking at the void deck.... [wearing bell bottoms///]
the indians i dont know what they do.. haha...
well no hard feelings... thats how interesting singapore looks like... hahahah -
To be brutally honest and transparent, there will always be some bias and discrimination from the way we have been brought up. It is only a question of degree. On my part, I grew up with many close Malay friends in primary school and have no problems with Malay colleagues. I cannot speak for every Singaporean Chinese but I think the Malay community should start helping themselves by stop being paranoid about racism and discrimination. Never let what is said bother you. Just focus on getting better and ahead in life. If every Malay has this ambition, the atreriotyping on Malays will change for action speak louder than words.
-
hmmz i note the free education part only touches on the tertiary education, non-tertiary? some obfuscating?
-
how much do you pay during your primary and secondary sch years?Originally posted by hisoka:hmmz i note the free education part only touches on the tertiary education, non-tertiary? some obfuscating? -
Perhaps, just perhaps,
There's nothing wrong with wanting a simple life...... but problem arise when those wanting a simple life expect others to behave just like them......
There is something wrong with the materialistic / econocentric approach?
Why cant a certain cultural group have a more laid back, family friendly customs and practices?
Is it fair to continuously apply external pressure for them to change their culture and mindset?
Dont forget the Chinese and Indians are immigrants. Merchants.
If you go to China or India, to the interior rural areas, Im sure there are people sitting all day not doing much, same with rural villages areas in South East Asia.
I dont think Malays in Singapore are lazy. This is an incorrect term. Perhaps the more correct one is, discon.... discon...eh, disconjected from the material chase.
Simply,
If an expert do a survey of family happiness, spiritual fulfillness, etc, I believe they will on average score better than Chinese.
So,
I dont think they are lazy, but different world view.
And it is not fair to only measure formal education, income level, etc, yardstick used by merchant-immigrant mindset on them.
Besides, in the Western world also, academics are starting to realize and measure 'real' prosperity, which includes happiness, stress level, family relationship, spirituality etc. More money doesnt mean you are more well off when you are stressed and unhappy.
So what Im saying is,
The term 'lazy' is very one sided view, looking from one point of view only.
And I believe more appreciation, and more softer understanding, is needed, instead of keep pressing for 'reform' for them to 'revolutionize' their culture and customs.
If you a happy with a low 4 figure pay and 4 kids inside a 3-room HDB, good for you.... be content. But i know of people (malay & chinese) who blame others of working hard, say it makes them look bad...... They blame govt for not taking care of them and keep on telling me how they are being oppress.
What BS is this
If you are content with this type of life, then say it out loud...... don't blame anyone for whatever problem you will face later. But problem is, these are the same people who will not work OT because they claim they are "content with life" and at the same time claim each Payday that some higher forces are oppressing them by keeping their pay low..... What SH** -
wah piang,Originally posted by mhcampboy:My family from both sides, malay and chinese lives happily ever after. Even though they are just in laws and distant in terms of relativity, we get together on all occasion.
We treat everyone the same. The chinese elders will advise the malay youngs even though they are only related by law. The malay elders will reprimand the chinese young if they do any wrongdoing. Its the same throughout.
We see each other as family. And not of race.
your family would be one interesting anthro-sociological study man ... -
Nah. Its only interesting how much ang pao money and presents i get during cny, hari raya, christmas etc...Originally posted by Fatum:wah piang,
your family would be one interesting anthro-sociological study man ... -
anyone care to elaborate on this?
here're some verses from the quran
Qur¡¯an 9:5 ¡°Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.¡±
Qur¡¯an 8:39 ¡°Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.¡±
Ishaq:324 ¡°Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must not have rivals.¡±
Ishaq:326 ¡°If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah¡¯s enemies.¡±
Qur¡¯an 8:7 ¡°Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ¡®Wipe the infidels out to the last.¡¯¡±
Qur¡¯an 8:39 ¡°So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.¡± -
Originally posted by trendz:anyone care to elaborate on this?
here're some verses from the quran
Qur¡¯an 9:5 ¡°Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.¡±
Qur¡¯an 8:39 ¡°Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.¡±
Ishaq:324 ¡°Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must not have rivals.¡±
Ishaq:326 ¡°If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah¡¯s enemies.¡±
Qur¡¯an 8:7 ¡°Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ¡®Wipe the infidels out to the last.¡¯¡±
Qur¡¯an 8:39 ¡°So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.¡±
please give the link the website. there have been a lot of websites that fake the originality of the holy book.
so yeah.. the link please..
besides.. how come suddenly talk abt religion...? -
Originally posted by hloc:
x2.
There's nothing wrong with wanting a simple life...... but problem arise when those wanting a simple life expect others to behave just like them......
If you a happy with a low 4 figure pay and 4 kids inside a 3-room HDB, good for you.... be content. But i know of people ([b]malay & chinese) who blame others of working hard, say it makes them look bad...... They blame govt for not taking care of them and keep on telling me how they are being oppress.
What BS is this If you are content with this type of life, then say it out loud...... don't blame anyone for whatever problem you will face later. But problem is, these are the same people who will not work OT because they claim they are "content with life" and at the same time claim each Payday that some higher forces are oppressing them by keeping their pay low..... What SH** [/b]
As I've said before, I have no issue with the 'tidak apa' ('it doesn't matter') mentality. If anything, to be contented with what you have and to lead a simple life is an achievement in itself.
But the big issue I have is with us Malays taking the concept too far and letting it metamorphose into 'tidak apa-thy'. I've seen too many Malays not doing well in life and trying to pin the blame on others instead of looking at their own lack of effort. When I was in the Army I'm sad to say that many of the Malays in my company felt that I was a heretic of sorts just because I'm was a A Level student and they had less education.
And I swear to God, I didn't treat them any differently just because they were any less educated. If anything, some of them saw past the education barrier and I became good friends with them. They were the ones who told me about all the backstabbing and politics that goes on behind my back. But as for the rest... they backstabbed me and whispered behind my back that I was snooty and arrogant just because I had higher education than them.
I'm a medic, and it has been drilled into my head to treat everyone equally, even if they are my enemies who have sworn to kill me. I see us all as soldiers with a common goal, but they refused to share that viewpoint.
Heck, I once overheard them talking about two PCs who had A Level education. I heard one of them say, 'I can't stand this 2LT Ismail who has a full A Level cert. At least for 2LT Ali, even though he was in JC, at least he dropped out of it! Now that's something for me to look up to!' (names changed to protect privacy)
You want to live the simple life, then that's your choice. But if you're going to blame others for your lack of success and diss them for putting in the effort and doing their best, I must protest. -
wow.. the best part about this is...Originally posted by trendz:
the entire website is against islam... so how credible is your link?? -
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by trendz:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The website is like one gaint anti-Muslim site........ Not a good example to quote facts from......
-
Well, in my opinion, to remove all hatred towards the malay race, the government has to do something to reform the malay youths. From my observation, they are the main cause of racial issues. All my "racist" friends have issues against these malay youths, particularly those less educated ones, yet none have problems with the malay race as a whole.
-
black, white, purple or pink... we're all human beings... it's really nothing to do with religion...
there's black sheeps everywhere! chinese, malay, indian or caucasian black sheeps... just because one of them's bad means all are bad...
i think with the new generation of singaporeans, race becomes less of an importance.... and given most singaporeans are pretty tolerant to nasty comments... (yes, there's a couple of brainless loud mouths here and there)
singapore's a great place to live in.... and i love being a singaporean... it really doesn't matter what's your race... we're all human... made of the same flesh and blood.
God's fair... He made everyone of us unique... so let's all try to be mindful.. before we are quick to judge anyone because of race, just bite that tongue... -
i totally agree with u. the issue lies with these youths who are spoiling the image of malay race.Originally posted by dinky1409:I think that most Chinese/Malay mix are good looking, damn you lucky boy..
Anyway, I'm Malay but I can't help but agree with some of the myths. I'm kind of disappointed with my own race. Primary school and Secondary, we enjoy free education but yet look at the percentage of Malay undergraduates? I don't have the percentage and I might be stereotyping but its just too common that everywhere I go the ITEs are the malays hanging place. I'm not saying ITEs are a bad place but looking at the mats and minahs from ITEs you will know what kind of people they are.
In terms of Soccer, I DARE YOU THAT BASE ON TALENT, SG can take on the angmohs. The mats can ACTUALLY fuckin play leh, BUT THE STINKING ATTITUDE is why we are still lagging far behind. SUPER FUCKED UP attitude, its disappointing.
The best thing that I hate is how some of the malays blame the government for not giving enough chance for malays to do well. They say Chinese are controlling this country. That is a separate issue which I don't wanna touch on as I believe I'm in no position to comment about such stuff. But what irks me is that, these malays, are just playing the blaming game. Its disgraceful. I mean if you want to be succesful, bloody hell STUDY HARD & WORK FOR IT!
For these various reasons, I'm striving hard in my own career path to make enough money to contribute to help and dive into the root of the problem, which is when these malay kids are young.
*disclaimer* I know I MIGHT be biased and stereotyping based on my own experiences but I take the risk to express it as a generalisation as I believe it is sufficiently significant in the current situations.