Spore MEN are SUPER SUAY !!!
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making personal attacks when u cant win a debateOriginally posted by JusticeLegal:Yah go ask your mum to f u c k a dog then. You behave like one anyway. Stupid MCP. It is your obligation to serve NS and for us we have to give birth to the future and we are not whining why should u? Stop talking about equality. Stupid idiot. And thelesis u are so free to write a story about the origins of chao c h e e b y e in BAR, why not u take time to do a proper job rather than whine? No wonder u fail your driving test. S t u p id m o ther f u ck er
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Simple guys! Just take the plane to the Mainland and there are millions of very nice, beautiful, hungry, co-operative and sexy girls waiting for you. Don't look down on them, after all they and us are from the same origin, same grounds, only we are o/seas born Chinese. I have come across a few of these ladies and they beat locals hands down for being ok for most things, no taboos, no khiasu attitudes. Sometimes we get some who have ulterior motives, but even locals do to. So fellas, take a trip and go see for yourselves whats on offer. First thing they'll ask is are you married? Keep your eyes opened and take care. None of them will worry about your zero CPF. Just have some money and a job is ok, no need to have a Merc/BM/condo/credit card/high profile job. At least they really want you for what you are. If your female classmates have surpassed you on the corporate ladder, don't worry, get a substitute and show them you are still going strong.
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I never understand why pregnancy is always equated to NS.
Firstly:
a)Pregnancy in Singapore is not compulsory, and women have pretty much the choice to opt if they wanted to get pregnant or not.
b) While pregnancy is no mean feat, and can be biologically demanding. Can it be said to be as dangerous or physically demanding as some of the combat-orientated vocations in the army?
c) Also, who has more freedom in the time and direction of life? An NSF or a pregnant lady? A lady is pregnant for 10 months (20 assuming she has two kids). But for a large proportion of this period she can still continue with her jobs, or choose to leave itÂ… or in fact do pretty much anything she wants with her life that her condition allows. An NSF on the other hand, is limited to his allowance, and is (if he's stay in) confined to a very limited location with very little prospects for at least 24 months. Now I'm not saying that NS is a prison, but HIGHLY doubt pregnancy is a more restrictive position.
d) Pregnancy is not easy, but the lady typically has the constant support of friends, family and spouse, and has the freedom to seek them out as and when she wants. These options are far more limited for an NSF, especially if he's stay in.
And most tellingly of all, why do some ladies here see pregnancy as NS? Particularly so when they are the very persons I suspect have no intentions of having kids or have the great freedom to choose if they want to or not. A lady can choose not to get pregnant even though she is biologically viable to pursue her hopes and dreams. This is not an obligation in any definition of the word.
On the other hand, giving up at least 24 months for potentially dangerous and isolating experiences is an obligation for most guys, punishable by law if refused. I have yet to see a law being passed making pregnancy mandatory or the government setting up some ministry to process and impregnate all suitable females above 16 years of age as "National Service" with no consideration to their dreams and ambitions.
Please, as much as some might like to make the pregnancy=NS argument here, it just holds no water. -
And we need to dump the guys in a "how-to-be-a-gentleman-and-a-good-husband" camp for the guysOriginally posted by Y_Shun:Agreee...2 years of "how-to-be-a-good-wife-in-future" for the females!!~
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Please-lah. At least you guys get a salary increment when you guys work. On average, men earn more than women, you know.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:I never understand why pregnancy is always equated to NS.
Firstly:
a)Pregnancy in Singapore is not compulsory, and women have pretty much the choice to opt if they wanted to get pregnant or not.
b) While pregnancy is no mean feat, and can be biologically demanding. Can it be said to be as dangerous or physically demanding as some of the combat-orientated vocations in the army?
c) Also, who has more freedom in the time and direction of life? An NSF or a pregnant lady? A lady is pregnant for 10 months (20 assuming she has two kids). But for a large proportion of this period she can still continue with her jobs, or choose to leave itÂ… or in fact do pretty much anything she wants with her life that her condition allows. An NSF on the other hand, is limited to his allowance, and is (if he's stay in) confined to a very limited location with very little prospects for at least 24 months. Now I'm not saying that NS is a prison, but HIGHLY doubt pregnancy is a more restrictive position.
d) Pregnancy is not easy, but the lady typically has the constant support of friends, family and spouse, and has the freedom to seek them out as and when she wants. These options are far more limited for an NSF, especially if he's stay in.
And most tellingly of all, why do some ladies here see pregnancy as NS? Particularly so when they are the very persons I suspect have no intentions of having kids or have the great freedom to choose if they want to or not. A lady can choose not to get pregnant even though she is biologically viable to pursue her hopes and dreams. This is not an obligation in any definition of the word.
On the other hand, giving up at least 24 months for potentially dangerous and isolating experiences is an obligation for most guys, punishable by law if refused. I have yet to see a law being passed making pregnancy mandatory or the government setting up some ministry to process and impregnate all suitable females above 16 years of age as "National Service" with no consideration to their dreams and ambitions.
Please, as much as some might like to make the pregnancy=NS argument here, it just holds no water.
When a woman gets pregnant, she risks losing her job, PLUS, there is no salary increment when she gets pregnant. -
You don't have to get pregnant. There is a choice. No matter how much your husband or in-laws pressure you to, you always have the ability to say no, unlike National Service.Originally posted by Jerina:When a woman gets pregnant, she risks losing her job, PLUS, there is no salary increment when she gets pregnant.
There is supposed to be a salary increment if a woman gets pregnant? Assuming it's not done out of wedlock, and even then it's highly debatable, I don't see the logic in this statement. If this is the case, then whenever I'm feeling down, my co-workers should buy me a good steak for lunch and treat me to some red wine. -
Ok I am a lady and I shall pass on some comments:
Pregnancy issue : women do die in pregnancy . Friend's mom died in childbirth. There are still women in Singapore who die from it . We cannot use NS risks as a fair comparision and vice versa. To parties involved, it is comparing a durian to an apple.
Children: Bringing up children and working part-time. Working part-time alone is career suicide and not to mention the housework to be done with kids running around and dropping toys and drinks etc
Culture issue: I am Chinese . Traditional chinese culture is like this - woman stay at home , man is the breadwinner. Naturally there will be some chinese guys (NOTE: not all) threatened by women who have more earning power - not only in Singapore but elsewhere - it is more of a threat to their manhood . Well one of my ex have an issue with a more educated woman or even a woman who earns more. Even my granny , let alone a guy, has an issue with me and postgraduate education - she told me not to study more or else it will be hard to marry me off. I was like screw that .
Credit Card and Car issue: If a guy starts showing off his credit cards and car to me when he has to borrow money to buy it , I will get abit worried ...it means DEBT . I rather have a guy tell me he takes public transport because cars are too expensive - means he is thrifty and knows how to think financially.
Natural Human Instinct : the best mate is usually someone who have the resources to look after the family and ensure the best outcome for the future children . Human courtship is like that of any other animal - courtship is a show of strength and capability . can you really blame the female instinct ? The thing that separates us from animals is that we all have a choice to reject later .
Someone had the point : since when is life fair?
Materialism is not the focus for getting girls . It is about finding someone who loves u for who you are and can work together with you to bring a better future for your lives together. Why actually whine about not earning more? Do you REALLY want to earn more and attract gold diggers ? Doubt that . Just go out and meet someone who cares for you , not your wallet. For every unhappy story about a guy earning lower wages, there is also one happy story where guy meets girl - never mind she earns more - they remain happily married.
And as for the girl dumping the guy who earns less - sometimes you have to take it on both sides - maybe she thinks the guy is after her assets? I dumped one guy when he started talking about using my property to back his idea for something and heck we were not even engaged to marry . Hey golddiggers can be either a guy or a girl. -
This will be a never-ending argument. Each side will say things that make them seem like the victim.Originally posted by fymk:Ok I am a lady and I shall pass on some comments:
Pregnancy issue : women do die in pregnancy . Friend's mom died in childbirth. There are still women in Singapore who die from it . We cannot use NS risks as a fair comparision and vice versa. To parties involved, it is comparing a durian to an apple.
Children: Bringing up children and working part-time. Working part-time alone is career suicide and not to mention the housework to be done with kids running around and dropping toys and drinks etc
Culture issue: I am Chinese . Traditional chinese culture is like this - woman stay at home , man is the breadwinner. Naturally there will be some chinese guys (NOTE: not all) threatened by women who have more earning power - not only in Singapore but elsewhere - it is more of a threat to their manhood . Well one of my ex have an issue with a more educated woman or even a woman who earns more. Even my granny , let alone a guy, has an issue with me and postgraduate education - she told me not to study more or else it will be hard to marry me off. I was like screw that .
Credit Card and Car issue: If a guy starts showing off his credit cards and car to me when he has to borrow money to buy it , I will get abit worried ...it means DEBT . I rather have a guy tell me he takes public transport because cars are too expensive - means he is thrifty and knows how to think financially.
Natural Human Instinct : the best mate is usually someone who have the resources to look after the family and ensure the best outcome for the future children . Human courtship is like that of any other animal - courtship is a show of strength and capability . can you really blame the female instinct ? The thing that separates us from animals is that we all have a choice to reject later .
Someone had the point : since when is life fair?
Materialism is not the focus for getting girls . It is about finding someone who loves u for who you are and can work together with you to bring a better future for your lives together. Why actually whine about not earning more? Do you REALLY want to earn more and attract gold diggers ? Doubt that . Just go out and meet someone who cares for you , not your wallet. For every unhappy story about a guy earning lower wages, there is also one happy story where guy meets girl - never mind she earns more - they remain happily married.
And as for the girl dumping the guy who earns less - sometimes you have to take it on both sides - maybe she thinks the guy is after her assets? I dumped one guy when he started talking about using my property to back his idea for something and heck we were not even engaged to marry . Hey golddiggers can be either a guy or a girl.
However for your post:
1)Pregnancy: I do agree with your post. You don't compare with NS. Totally irrelavant.
2)Children: This is a matter of the husband and wife working together as a team and compromising who should do what at home, making it 50-50 as much as possible. Guys, when you look for a wife, look for someone who is not stubborn and always has her way. Look for a team player, not a solo player. Girls, let the man take the lead. Someone has to take the lead in the direction of the family.
3)Culture issue- I do support the traditional issues. However, this is more of a personal preference pertaining to individuals. As I have said, we are all looking for team players in a married life.
4)Credit card and cars- Guys should know how to plan their finances properly short term and long term wise. Women should help as well. Do what's good for the family and not for self-interests. Don't marry a guy for his wallet. When the inevitable divorce ever happens, the Women's Charter is not fair towards the guy.
5)Natural Female Instinct- I salute you for telling the truth. However, do marry someone you really love.
6)Golddiggers- I have to tell you this. There are more female gold-diggers than male versions, simply because it is expected from the male to provide for the female from the day humans evolved. Even till this modern age, the female gold-diggers still expect the man to provide for them. This is really unrealistic thinking, when the GST is going to be 7%? That is only when the man is rich or at least decently rich. It is all a team effort. If the female is doing what is good for herself not what is good for the family, Guys, you just dump her. Sad to say, you cannot do it during marriage.
It is because of this responsibility there are a certain percentage of females who will exploit this. This group of female gold-diggers do not really love the men and worse, marry them because they can provide a comfortable tai-tai lyfestyle. If the marriage ever crumbles, half the man's assets will be split to the female, according to the Women's Charter?
It is precisely these female gold-diggers that irritate so many men, causing a bad name to the females. Not all women are bad of course.
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Please do not compare pregnancy and NS,
Coz during pregnancy their husbands stand by them.
During NS their Girlfriends mostly jilt them.
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That's why i said spore men are suay !!Originally posted by NotFromVenus:Please do not compare pregnancy and NS,
Coz during pregnancy their husbands stand by them.
During NS their Girlfriends mostly jilt them. -
Fight fight!
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Originally posted by seow:Fight fight!
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long and short of it.. GET OVER IT!
life isn't fair.. no one said it was.. no one said it'll be...
life deals you lemons, you can whine about it or you can make lemonade...
mostly, get over it!
sheesh! the topic starter sounds like a baby who was given a smaller slice of cake and in a tantrum spit the dummy... -
where heng@ ar i wanna hear his view
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thought heng@ is a her?Originally posted by Chelzea:where heng@ ar i wanna hear his view -
Thanks for your comment on me. Actually is my point of view so you can agreed or not agreed.Originally posted by the Bear:long and short of it.. GET OVER IT!
life isn't fair.. no one said it was.. no one said it'll be...
life deals you lemons, you can whine about it or you can make lemonade...
mostly, get over it!
sheesh! the topic starter sounds like a baby who was given a smaller slice of cake and in a tantrum spit the dummy... -
Wah.. so many ppl post topic related to this... SO SPORE MEN SUAY SUAY SUAY SUAY !!
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Not actually, many men have wife from oversea which means ladies need to lower their expectation. There are many single around, don't tell me they are more suay? The most suay one is regrat after married.
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I don't think ALL singaporean men are that suay unless they keep whining about being suay - then THEY ARE SUAY like heck because it just reflects low self esteem and lack of confidence. Those I class as LOSERS .Originally posted by thelesis:Wah.. so many ppl post topic related to this... SO SPORE MEN SUAY SUAY SUAY SUAY !!
Bearing in mind, the swedes also have national service and I don't see them complaining.