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Originally posted by banzie:Maybe you should say something intelligent next time...
now u understand how i see u. -
1) Still that was just a assumption. Had it been proven in actual? Its the same thing as I see ancient urns that contain food, then it must be used to keep food, but who knows in actual fact that is use to keep food to throw... Tell me what does the fossil tells you that you can be so sure that it shows life form? If so why not now? Why must it be in fossil age? Why aren't there any of such else where? If it is so it should be working pretty well every now and then. There still need more examples and studies.Originally posted by Cystaire:Your statements highlighted in bold are false.
"Source in earth where the initial of all life form started from" - read the experiments by Miller and Urey. As well as the fossil evidence of stromatolites ~ 3.8 billion years ago.
"Loop holes are still everywhere" - if you are talking about "gaps" in the fossil record, then you have bought the lies of the creationists. Everytime scientists produce a transitory fossil, creationists claim two more new "gaps". There are no real loop holes, just intellectual dishonesty by creationists. Evolutionary Biology is as solid as Universal Gravitation. If you believe in gravity and not in evolution, you are a hypocrite.
"creationist are scientist too/they never disagree with science" - they have no peer review publication in science. In fact they don't even have a testable hypothesis. Their strategy is to poke holes in modern science and gloat whenever people cannot explain everything. Forcing (or ignoring) scientific evidence to fit Scriptures is not science and does not contribute to new understanding.
"Especially questions like ESP etc" - Things don't have to be "scientific" for scientists to accept them. For example what stuff is "gravity" made of? ESP is not considered by mainstream science simply because it doesn't work.
"current atheist school of thoughts" - can you give an example of such a school?
2)Loops holes are plenty... even evolution theory had been changing for the past 10 years... New discovery keep proving the old theory different... Even evolutionist themselves are divided over certain issue. I'm talking about science in general and evolution in particular.
3)testable hypothesis hmmm evolution has it?
4) There are plenty of studies done on ESP, many done by very scientific studies. Ever seen naked science in Discovery? Its not a main stream science becoz no one can prove much yet. Well but it works.
Things don't have to be "scientific" for scientists to accept them. : Well just like God. Why everyone keep saying religion need to be scientifically to be proven true and now you are telling people things don't have to be scientific again.!? So do you need to be scientific or not? I tot atheist need everything to be scientific? Is evolution scientific? had it been proven to be true? Have you seen monkeies turn into man? -
given the mix of the atmosphere eons ago added with lightning, basic forms of dna appeared, which slowly evolved into bacteria and other more complex organisms. this has been replicated under lab settings. don't ignore this fact
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No I do not understand those who couldn't even understand basic science... and blubber something totally crap...Originally posted by Ito_^: now u understand how i see u. -
1. "Where does life come from in the beginning?" Current data suggests that complex organic compounds (originally believed to be "alive" by themselves by vitalists, but today we can synthesize them chemically) were formed in the violent environment of early Earth. Experiments have also shown that that cell membranes can self-associate. It is reasonable to postulate that the first life arose on the surfaces of rocks near the hot oceans on Earth ~ 4 billion years ago.Originally posted by banzie:Simple... answer a few question
- Where does the life comes from from the very beginning before evolution?
- If all things are dead and what exactly spark the creation of everything?
- Why evidence of evolution existed only on manmals and seldom on plant?
- Explain ESP or Extra Sensory Perception
and alot more...
On the other part...
- Science can't prove there is God, simply there isn't a tool capable to do that. Do you need microscope to see virus... do you have a tool yet to see angels and soul?
2. I don't understand your second question. Take note that life is an emergent trait, sub-cellular components of cells are therefore "dead". "What sparked the creation of everything?" We only know that there is a singularity at the beginning of our current Universe. Scientists cannot make reasonable postulates before the Planck time. Your guess is as good as mine.
3. "Why evidence of evolution exist on mammals and seldom on plants?" This statement is simply false. Evolution is seen in all life including animal, plants and microbial life down to the level of DNA sequences.
Where did you get this?
4. Explain ESP. It doesn't work. Full stop.
5. "Science doesn't prove there is a God because there isn't a tool to do that." You were saying the creationists are scientists? How experiments do they do then? -
Yea there is replicating from another living organism... Try replicating from stone soil and water. The natural element that existed billions years ago...Originally posted by FrozernFire:given the mix of the atmosphere eons ago added with lightning, basic forms of dna appeared, which slowly evolved into bacteria and other more complex organisms. this has been replicated under lab settings. don't ignore this fact -
The greatest joke ever, is to explain to people that they are trying to prove something which doesnt exist in the first place. I tell you why religion exist. Religion came before science because people fear and do not know what is happening around them, so they attribute it to some supernatural power. However, as science progress, people become more knowledgeable. Do u believe that the light in ur house is powered by electricity or some supernatural power? Similarly, some dude from 1 BC will atribute the lighting to god's work because he simply wun understand the concept of electricity. So unless science can prove everything, there will always people who believes in god and religion.
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read some of the previous posts not by me for a better explanationOriginally posted by banzie:Yea there is replicating from another living organism... Try replicating from stone soil and water. The natural element that existed billions years ago... -
Errors in bold.Originally posted by banzie:
1) Still that was just a assumption. Had it been proven in actual? Its the same thing as I see ancient urns that contain food, then it must be used to keep food, but who knows in actual fact that is use to keep food to throw... Tell me what does the fossil tells you that you can be so sure that it shows life form? If so why not now? Why must it be in fossil age? Why aren't there any of such else where? If it is so it should be working pretty well every now and then. There still need more examples and studies.
2)Loops holes are plenty... even evolution theory had been changing for the past 10 years... New discovery keep proving the old theory different... Even evolutionist themselves are divided over certain issue. I'm talking about science in general and evolution in particular.3)testable hypothesis hmmm evolution has it?
4) There are plenty of studies done on ESP, many done by very scientific studies. Ever seen naked science in Discovery? Its not a main stream science becoz no one can prove much yet. Well but it works.
Things don't have to be "scientific" for scientists to accept them. : Well just like God. Why everyone keep saying religion need to be scientifically to be proven true and now you are telling people things don't have to be scientific again.!? So do you need to be scientific or not? I tot atheist need everything to be scientific? Is evolution scientific? had it been proven to be true? Have you seen monkeies turn into man?
Did you fail science in school? I grow tired of pointing out your mistakes.
Fyi even a creationist will not make such glaring mistakes. -
ESP doesn't due to your lack of knowledge.... It was even tested on universities in england. and many other countries. Go find out more.... the rest of your question reads my previous thread.Originally posted by Cystaire:1. "Where does life come from in the beginning?" Current data suggests that complex organic compounds (originally believed to be "alive" by themselves by vitalists, but today we can synthesize them chemically) were formed in the violent environment of early Earth. Experiments have also shown that that cell membranes can self-associate. It is reasonable to postulate that the first life arose on the surfaces of rocks near the hot oceans on Earth ~ 4 billion years ago.
2. I don't understand your second question. Take note that life is an emergent trait, sub-cellular components of cells are therefore "dead". "What sparked the creation of everything?" We only know that there is a singularity at the beginning of our current Universe. Scientists cannot make reasonable postulates before the Planck time. Your guess is as good as mine.
3. "Why evidence of evolution exist on mammals and seldom on plants?" This statement is simply false. Evolution is seen in all life including animal, plants and microbial life down to the level of DNA sequences.
Where did you get this?
4. Explain ESP. It doesn't work. Full stop.
5. "Science doesn't prove there is a God because there isn't a tool to do that." You were saying the creationists are scientists? How experiments do they do then? -
Flame bait bit.
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Prove me... don't mislead others who are reading... Give me data...Originally posted by Cystaire:Errors in bold.
Did you fail science in school? I grow tired of pointing out your mistakes.
Fyi even a creationist will not make such glaring mistakes. -
In fact a creationist website is offering $250,000 for anyone who can offer read datas on evolution that works.... Since you have it... why not go claim it? Since you said evolution is testable....
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Originally posted by banzie:ESP doesn't due to your lack of knowledge.... It was even tested on universities in england. and many other countries. Go find out more.... the rest of your question reads my previous thread.
"The biggest problem with a lot of ESP research is it isn't reproducible. That is, one scientist may get results that another scientist can't get by replicating the experiment with different subjects. Parapsychologists might point out that some people aren't as psychically in-tune as others, so different subjects will yield different results, but the stigma still sticks. Reproducible results are essential to the conventional scientific method, so many scientists discount any irreproducible data no matter how credible the source."
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Read fromt he start... like I said.... Science can't prove there is God neither can it prove there is No God. 100 years ago... no one believe in virus too... but it existed isn't it.Originally posted by Xtrider:The greatest joke ever, is to explain to people that they are trying to prove something which doesnt exist in the first place. I tell you why religion exist. Religion came before science because people fear and do not know what is happening around them, so they attribute it to some supernatural power. However, as science progress, people become more knowledgeable. Do u believe that the light in ur house is powered by electricity or some supernatural power? Similarly, some dude from 1 BC will atribute the lighting to god's work because he simply wun understand the concept of electricity. So unless science can prove everything, there will always people who believes in god and religion. -
Why should I have to prove your claims?Originally posted by banzie:Prove me... don't mislead others who are reading... Give me data...
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You can see a virus, sweetheart.Originally posted by banzie:Read fromt he start... like I said.... Science can't prove there is God neither can it prove there is No God. 100 years ago... no one believe in virus too... but it existed isn't it.
By the way do you believe in Zeus? Science can't prove that he doesn't exist either. -
Yea with a microscope right? How come no one says that 100 years ago?Originally posted by Cystaire:You can see a virus, sweetheart.
By the way do you believe in Zeus? Science can't prove that he doesn't exist either. -
i don't think u get the point. The point is god is made up by people who fear and do not understand the things around them. That is why there are so many religions in the first place, because different people believe in different things. Yea u said it yourself. No one knew the existenece of virus so they attributed dieases to supernatural forces and they pray for a higher being to save them. That is god. However, god didnt tell us the existence of virus. We found it ourselves. If there is god then did he create virus to kill us all? This is not the only reason. There is also the psychology of humans. lazy to explain now but if u take alook around ur religious place, which i assume is a church, u will definitely find more females than males.Originally posted by banzie:Read fromt he start... like I said.... Science can't prove there is God neither can it prove there is No God. 100 years ago... no one believe in virus too... but it existed isn't it.
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No you are not proving my claims... you can't even prove your own claims.... just by stating this and tat... it doesn't matter what kind of scientific education one has... I sees that you have difficulty defending yourself.Originally posted by Cystaire:Why should I have to prove your claims?
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Let's put it even closer to you... Explain QiGong that so many people are practicing.... Scientific tools proven it existed with the transfer to energy and heat to any part of the body parts as the practicianer desire... but still couldn't explain what makes up qi gong..Originally posted by Cystaire: -
Do me a favour and read real science journals like Nature or Science or at least popular magazines like Scientific American.Originally posted by banzie:In fact a creationist website is offering $250,000 for anyone who can offer read datas on evolution that works.... Since you have it... why not go claim it? Since you said evolution is testable....
If all you know about science is from creationist websites, then you will miss out on the real discoveries that is happening right now.
This is public forum so I won't talk about the details of my own work, but I am studying evolutionary biology and of course I have a testable hypothesis (with approved funding) and I am testing it right now.
I am not the only one, there are thousands of scientists studying evolution and many more applying its results to daily life.
Contrast that to a handful of creationist who have discovered... what exactly? -
apparently u have not been reading...haha... because science have not found a solution for it tts why u believe that it is a work of god. Its a balance. Once science can prove it, it will shift and classify under science instead of under religion. Once science can prove everything, there will be no religion, no god. However, if science cant prove everything, there will always be a religion and god, because people naturally classify what they dun understand under religion. And i think there is an explaination for it. Was shown on discovery a few yrs ago. because of naturally body electromangetic manupilation or something, go check it out.Originally posted by banzie:Let's put it even closer to you... Explain QiGong that so many people are practicing.... Scientific tools proven it existed with the transfer to energy and heat to any part of the body parts as the practicianer desire... but still couldn't explain what makes up qi gong.. -
If i am not wrong, creationists tend to twist evolutionists' work to support their view, or even misrepresent to show how 'flawed' evolutionists work are.
The most common example is how Darwin's work was twisted.