What do you means by faiR?
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We keep saying that this is not fair, that is not fair. The question is, what do you mean by fair?
Maybe let me give a few example. Like: The government is not fair when they increase GST by 2%, the government is not fair when utility bills are increasing, the government is not fair when the PAP is dominating etc.
I truly wonder if that is someone who would say something like: Is there someone who says that its unfair that the government give grants to startups, give you a good transport system, give you food and a roof, give you lower income tax and such.
What I want to prove here is not what the government is giving or taking but what do you mean by fair.
From what I've been noticing, we meant fair by "so long I get what I wants means fair and I don't care where you took it from" and "so long you take things away from me means unfair and I don't care where you give it to" concept. Am I wrong?
Please give me your opinion. I wanted to ask this question for quite sometime and only now that I have the time to post it here. Cheers! -
to them fair means more $ go there
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nothing is fair in life.
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aiyah usually we just complain for the sake of complaining.
like bus fare increase people complain at gatherings coz everyone also complain
gst also the same
they also know the govt is doing this for our own good.
for most people if the govt. says okay since u complain right? we let u suggest something new. the citizens sure say nonono go ahead with ur plans wad -
Sorry but if I look it from another angle. Since nothing is fair in life. Don't you think its fair enough?Originally posted by VivId CrItiQuE:nothing is fair in life.
I mean if there is something in life that is fair while other or not then isn't it unfair in general. So if we look it from another angle where NOTHING is fair, means all is not fair, don't you think everything is fair?
Make sense?
This ties in to my next debat. If nothing is perfect in this world, don't you think this makes the world so perfect that there is always something for you to strive on? -
but since the world is never going to be perfect no matter how much i strive the world will never be perfect so we are still back to square 1
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Then, what is life?
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don't complicate things when they are very complicated alrd lol.Originally posted by kawasaki2:Then, what is life? -
wat's it got to do with fair?Originally posted by kawasaki2:Then, what is life? -
in life you win some, you lose some
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to put it simply, "fair" is subjective. Eg if the govt decides to tax the rich more, the poor will feel its fair but rich feel unfair. Its all a matter of relativity and depends which side of the fence ur on. Am i fair in saying this?
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When you don't like it, its unfair. Simple as that.
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something you think fair, but the same thing to other is unfair
somebody thinking unfair, but the samething to you is fair
always you think about unfair, that isnot fair
and always you think about fair, thats also unfair
so always think about unfair and fair, that is fair
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fair is a subjective term. to me, fair is a win-win or lose-lose situation. dats fair. but life isn't fair, as we know. so we can try to be fair but need not be fair.
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but don't you think when people says fair but they don't really mean it. As mention so long they get what they want is fair but don't bother if others get it. Don't you think that isn't really fair? It is a selfish "fair".Originally posted by Ito_^:fair is a subjective term. to me, fair is a win-win or lose-lose situation. dats fair. but life isn't fair, as we know. so we can try to be fair but need not be fair. -
Yes, there are people who opposes the Government from giving grants to a selective group and people who opposes the way the transport system is in Singapore.Originally posted by NoSuchPerson:We keep saying that this is not fair, that is not fair. The question is, what do you mean by fair?
Maybe let me give a few example. Like: The government is not fair when they increase GST by 2%, the government is not fair when utility bills are increasing, the government is not fair when the PAP is dominating etc.
I truly wonder if that is someone who would say something like: Is there someone who says that its unfair that the government give grants to startups, give you a good transport system, give you food and a roof, give you lower income tax and such.
What I want to prove here is not what the government is giving or taking but what do you mean by fair.
From what I've been noticing, we meant fair by "so long I get what I wants means fair and I don't care where you took it from" and "so long you take things away from me means unfair and I don't care where you give it to" concept. Am I wrong?
Please give me your opinion. I wanted to ask this question for quite sometime and only now that I have the time to post it here. Cheers!
There are people who opposes the Government having the income tax and other people who opposes the Government from giving people food, housing etc.
That's why it is never fair. The Government satisfy majority, it is not fair to the minority. The minority will feel oppressed.
The Government satisfy the minority, they will lose the popularity with majority.
It is never fair. What is good for you can be bad for me.
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"Nothing is fair" is a WRONG statment........
are you sure everything is unfair.......
there are systems built and developed to create a fairness. however, there are too many things in life and it is impossible to built fairness into everything.
furthermore, people like to see things as unfair to them only. for things which are fair to themselves but unfair to others, they just ignore it and dun complain. this is the selfish nature of human.
Do you hear your family and friends complaining to you "the children of africa is suffering extreme poverty now... THIS is not fair to them!!" "i wanna complaing... this is not fair !!"
people usually complain about unfairness when it affects themselves.... it is not as if they really care alot about others...
"NOT everything is fair" is a better statment.
BE careful of universal words like "everything, NEVER, ONLY and NOTHING" because they are seldom true in reality!!!!!!!! -
Well, can you suggest something that is definitely fair so as to prove that "Never" is wrong?Originally posted by january:"Nothing is fair" is a WRONG statment........
are you sure everything is unfair.......
there are systems built and developed to create a fairness. however, there are too many things in life and it is impossible to built fairness into everything.
furthermore, people like to see things as unfair to them only. for things which and fair to themselves but unfair to others, they just ignore it and dun complain. this is the selfish nature of human.
"NOT everything is fair" is a better statment.
BE careful of universal words like "everything, NEVER, and NOTHING" because they are seldom true in reality!!!!!!!! -
the probabilty of tossing a coin head or tail is near to fairness..
equal probabilty
dun argue with me about precise probabity.. that would be asking for too much..... -
fair ar? the skin is fair lor
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Sweeping statements can be easily proven wrong only when it comes in situations where the statement is used on cases with fixed possibilities and probabilities and random occurences are limited to zero.Originally posted by january:the probabilty of tossing a coin head or tail is near to fairness..
equal probabilty
dun argue with me about precise probabity.. that would be asking for too much.....
Thus there is no absolute rule to how you can judge how much of the statement holds true.
So your insistence to reduce the necessity of utilizing "Never" is not justified but understood as politically correct in my opinion. -
it is fair if there is some human respect to singaporeans. it is fair when they hear our views. it is fair when decision is by us not by them.Originally posted by NoSuchPerson:We keep saying that this is not fair, that is not fair. The question is, what do you mean by fair?
Maybe let me give a few example. Like: The government is not fair when they increase GST by 2%, the government is not fair when utility bills are increasing, the government is not fair when the PAP is dominating etc.
I truly wonder if that is someone who would say something like: Is there someone who says that its unfair that the government give grants to startups, give you a good transport system, give you food and a roof, give you lower income tax and such.
What I want to prove here is not what the government is giving or taking but what do you mean by fair.
From what I've been noticing, we meant fair by "so long I get what I wants means fair and I don't care where you took it from" and "so long you take things away from me means unfair and I don't care where you give it to" concept. Am I wrong?
Please give me your opinion. I wanted to ask this question for quite sometime and only now that I have the time to post it here. Cheers! -
fair means we benefit la. No loss of $$ and everybody's happy. -
Nothing is fair in this world. Biasity happens everywhere.
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Wow, I get a fair number of different opinions for different point of view. Especially with views from january and Nelstar.
I have a kind of thinking that I wonder what you guys think. If I were to say, everything in this world is fair and everything is made in balance. The thing that gives birth to the word fair and unfair is due to humans' greed.
Let me give some example to support my statement.
All energy is not created from no where and it doesn't disappear. It merely changes from potential energy into kinetic energy and things like this.
All births leads to deaths. Power leads to greed and Famous leads to jealousy.
Now these might prove that everything is made equal and balance. because all events leads to some changes be it in the form of though or physical.
The only thing is when human feel unfair is caused by their peronsal greed.
As they don't get what they want and they want to fight for what they want, they start to think of "fair" & "unfair".
I think I'm thinking too much but initially I thought the word "fair" is such a "good" word but if think deeper, it actually derives from something "politically bad".