What do you means by faiR?
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The only thing fair ish the govt increase the non-Singaporean fees.Originally posted by NoSuchPerson:We keep saying that this is not fair, that is not fair. The question is, what do you mean by fair?
Maybe let me give a few example. Like: The government is not fair when they increase GST by 2%, the government is not fair when utility bills are increasing, the government is not fair when the PAP is dominating etc.
I truly wonder if that is someone who would say something like: Is there someone who says that its unfair that the government give grants to startups, give you a good transport system, give you food and a roof, give you lower income tax and such.
What I want to prove here is not what the government is giving or taking but what do you mean by fair.
From what I've been noticing, we meant fair by "so long I get what I wants means fair and I don't care where you took it from" and "so long you take things away from me means unfair and I don't care where you give it to" concept. Am I wrong?
Please give me your opinion. I wanted to ask this question for quite sometime and only now that I have the time to post it here. Cheers! -
What Is Fairness? - Cardinal
Let's suppose that person A and person B are sitting together in a room when an angel appears in a burst of light and says "Be not afraid! Here are 100 grapes for your enjoyment - divide them fairly between the two of you, and then consume them." Then the angel vanishes.
How should A and B divide the grapes? As it happens, person A likes grapes twice as much as person B does. (For the purists, assume that each of them has constant marginal utility and that these facts are commonly known.) The following dialogue ensues:
A: In order to divide them fairly, we should split the grapes evenly - 50 to you, 50 to me.
B: That's not a fair division: I like grapes half as much as you, so if we split 50-50, I only end up half as happy as you are. A truly fair division would make us equally happy. Therefore, I should get 66 grapes, and you should get 34.
A: That's ridiculous! It can't be fair to give fewer grapes to the person who likes them more. Our individual happiness is irrelevant - fairness means splitting the grapes evenly, nothing more.
B: How can our individual happiness be irrelevant? The whole point of having the grapes is to makes ourselves happier. It's the quantity of grapes that is irrelevant here - neither of us cares about how many grapes we get except through how much utility we will gain from eating them. Our happiness is the relevant concept to equalize here.
My take: B is right in that happiness is the relevant quantity, but this notion of fairness verges upon the absurd when one person has much lower utility for an item than the other. A is confused to think that fairness is in any way connected with efficiency. I think that fairness is a concept that is often devoid of a coherent meaning, even though people often feel very strongly about it. I'd advise avoiding the question "What is fair?" and instead considering practical questions like "What has been agreed?" and "What is practically achievable?"
Conclusion: The two fight for hours over the fair way to divide the grapes, finally deciding that the only allocation that was fair under both their definitions was for each of them to have no grapes. Or A divides, B chooses. That's fair.
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U should go out of SG and look around. Maybe you will find that you're lucky to be here. The world is never fair.
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I always feels that SG is the best place to live in. Hmm, probably I never go out before. One thing for sure is that all my loved ones is in SG.
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ntuc fairprice.
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Yes...comparing to other countries like US or Australia... the GST is much2 more than 10% and the tax is awfully way higher than us here. Exept of course, the properties n cars there are much more cheaper. Plus, SIngapore is a safe country. Everywhere u go, there will be proS n Cons..so u yourself should choose what kinda life u wana live in.
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fair is when
1) things are favourable to yourself
2) things are considerable favourable to others, after condition 1) has been fulfiled.
haha tts how i understand ppl's idea of 'fairness' to be = most importantly, themselves must not lose out
anw i think the GST is ok, but why do dey have to impose GST on the bare neccesities like food? food is like, everybody needs it, rich or poor. if u put GST on such basic needs like food, den wun the poor suffer as well? -
check out this article: is it fair to take as much as possible other people's money?Originally posted by NoSuchPerson:We keep saying that this is not fair, that is not fair. The question is, what do you mean by fair?
Maybe let me give a few example. Like: The government is not fair when they increase GST by 2%, the government is not fair when utility bills are increasing, the government is not fair when the PAP is dominating etc.
I truly wonder if that is someone who would say something like: Is there someone who says that its unfair that the government give grants to startups, give you a good transport system, give you food and a roof, give you lower income tax and such.
What I want to prove here is not what the government is giving or taking but what do you mean by fair.
From what I've been noticing, we meant fair by "so long I get what I wants means fair and I don't care where you took it from" and "so long you take things away from me means unfair and I don't care where you give it to" concept. Am I wrong?
Please give me your opinion. I wanted to ask this question for quite sometime and only now that I have the time to post it here. Cheers!
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Just like when a boy tell the girl " I Love You Forever" In reality i dun really believe it tooOriginally posted by january:"Nothing is fair" is a WRONG statment........
are you sure everything is unfair.......
there are systems built and developed to create a fairness. however, there are too many things in life and it is impossible to built fairness into everything.
furthermore, people like to see things as unfair to them only. for things which are fair to themselves but unfair to others, they just ignore it and dun complain. this is the selfish nature of human.
Do you hear your family and friends complaining to you "the children of africa is suffering extreme poverty now... THIS is not fair to them!!" "i wanna complaing... this is not fair !!"
people usually complain about unfairness when it affects themselves.... it is not as if they really care alot about others...
"NOT everything is fair" is a better statment.
BE careful of universal words like "everything, NEVER, ONLY and NOTHING" because they are seldom true in reality!!!!!!!!
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hey wassup: just to clarify the govt up the GST by 2% POINTOriginally posted by NoSuchPerson:We keep saying that this is not fair, that is not fair. The question is, what do you mean by fair?
Maybe let me give a few example. Like: The government is not fair when they increase GST by 2%, the government is not fair when utility bills are increasing, the government is not fair when the PAP is dominating etc.
I truly wonder if that is someone who would say something like: Is there someone who says that its unfair that the government give grants to startups, give you a good transport system, give you food and a roof, give you lower income tax and such.
What I want to prove here is not what the government is giving or taking but what do you mean by fair.
From what I've been noticing, we meant fair by "so long I get what I wants means fair and I don't care where you took it from" and "so long you take things away from me means unfair and I don't care where you give it to" concept. Am I wrong?
Please give me your opinion. I wanted to ask this question for quite sometime and only now that I have the time to post it here. Cheers!
but a increase of 5 to 7 is about a 40%percent jump....
if u think of it that way... its lagi scary!