2nd WIFI thief charged in court!
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actually do you think that people in singapore are that dumb?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:That's the point...many Singaporeans who have wi-fi set up for them don't even know how to put in a password. Those who can piggyback on to other folks' wi-fi are considered tech-savy to them
i think they are just pure lazy
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I prefer to take that they are dumb than lazy.Originally posted by StarPuppy:actually do you think that people in singapore are that dumb?
i think they are just pure lazy
At least, you can be sure that they have done the right things.
But assume that they are lazy and ask them to Google, is bad. Especially so in this Internet era, where lots of false information have been posted online. -
Not so. It's just that you are tempting a person.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:So you have every right to rob a house because the front door wasn't locked? I am sorry...your argument just doesn't hold water.
Every problem has their roots somewhere. Send the person(s) stealing to jail doesn't make any sense if the owner refuses to lock his door.
Likewise, if one don't secure their wireless network, they are tempting others to get in to use the network. And wireless signals are free in the air. Air belongs to the public, not just you yourself. It's free to use. -
Passphrase is just a password.Originally posted by lasboriquas:peeps sidetrack a lil..
hw do u make ur network connection secure? After reading all of this cases im starting to think if ppl r tapping into my network..sumtimes so lagging..im using a linksys router...i followd the manual and the part where they ask to secure connection got a few options such as WEP,PES and dunno got others i dun understnd..i chose one of the options n they ask for dunno wad passphrase..anyone care to xplain?
As for encryption, if your router has WPA, just use WPA. Stop using WEP. It is crackable in less than 2 hours. Good as useless. -
My WEP password, Everytime I restart computer have to type it out... so mafan 1Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Passphrase is just a password.
As for encryption, if your router has WPA, just use WPA. Stop using WEP. It is crackable in less than 2 hours. Good as useless. -
the public must be taught to secure their wireless...you can't blame those who piggyback your line
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Select your wireless network, and click on Properties.Originally posted by Agenda:My WEP password, Everytime I restart computer have to type it out... so mafan 1
You will see another window. Tick the "The key is provided for me automatically" box.
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mine is WEP only..how?Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Passphrase is just a password.
As for encryption, if your router has WPA, just use WPA. Stop using WEP. It is crackable in less than 2 hours. Good as useless.
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Don't use wireless.Originally posted by StarPuppy:mine is WEP only..how? Use hard cable. -
Use 128-bit...Originally posted by StarPuppy:mine is WEP only..how?
Otherwise, just provide a super duper long password... -
Yes! I agree.Originally posted by ditzy:Don't use wireless. Use hard cable. -
X2Originally posted by ditzy:Don't use wireless. Use hard cable. 
anyway free things who wont be using? Blame the people who never secured their networks.
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No, just because the network is unsecured doesn't mean that it is free to use.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Not so. It's just that you are tempting a person.
Every problem has their roots somewhere. Send the person(s) stealing to jail doesn't make any sense if the owner refuses to lock his door.
Likewise, if one don't secure their wireless network, they are tempting others to get in to use the network. And wireless signals are free in the air. Air belongs to the public, not just you yourself. It's free to use.
It is not like air in that sense. Whoever is tapping on an unsecured network is trespassing on the property of the owner. And the action of trespass is a wrong which should rightfully be punished. Not securing the network should not be misinterpreted as an invitation to others to use it. -
where is da topic in hwz har?
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That's because you are applying the conventional sense of logic of property and location to a technology that transcends physical boundaries.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:So you have every right to rob a house because the front door wasn't locked? I am sorry...your argument just doesn't hold water.
Take a course in Web Studies and you will know what I mean, the legalities for such occurances is still quite murky, and only we are stupid enough to lump it together with physical theft when the comparative point of breaking in, has not even happened here, i.e brute force cracking of the WPA/WEP, or physical theft of documents that provide the password or key to the network.
The whole problem here is that even by sharing my network, the system frowns on it because I have taken one potential customer away and provided for a direct challenge on the concept of paying for a service. This has much to do with the culture here as it has to do with a legal system that pays heed to the lettering and not to the spirit of the law. In fact, the first case was dealt pretty fine IMHO, and the judge was prudent to give him just a slap on the wrist, whereas the prosecution was screaming bloody murder et al.
What is needed is a differentiation to be made, but I believe the legal codes here are not attuned to the changing times of the Internet Age. -
any ratio decidendi for that?Originally posted by JLennon:It is not like air in that sense. Whoever is tapping on an unsecured network is trespassing on the property of the owner. And the action of trespass is a wrong which should rightfully be punished. Not securing the network should not be misinterpreted as an invitation to others to use it.
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My question is .. since the centrino automatically connects to a network .. is the ignorance plea valid in court?
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And drag intel into court for fun?Originally posted by Icemoon:My question is .. since the centrino automatically connects to a network .. is the ignorance plea valid in court? -
I agree. My centrino laptop automatically connects to the nearest available network. And I can plead ignorance which is true and its only later did I learn how to configure profile and stuff.Originally posted by Icemoon:My question is .. since the centrino automatically connects to a network .. is the ignorance plea valid in court? -
I prefer to think of unsecured network like a patch of grass with a "private property" sign
Enter it and you are a trespasser. You are stepping on my grounds on my lalang grass you know -
i would agree except that theres no private property sign. either oyu know its private property or you dont and are jsut using it thinking its free for allOriginally posted by elindra:I prefer to think of unsecured network like a patch of grass with a "private property" sign
Enter it and you are a trespasser. You are stepping on my grounds on my lalang grass you know -
Then I prefer you keep your lalang grass within your confines, don't let it grow beyond where I might step onto it.Originally posted by elindra:I prefer to think of unsecured network like a patch of grass with a "private property" sign
Enter it and you are a trespasser. You are stepping on my grounds on my lalang grass you know -
But Windows does not tell you the network is unsecured when your notebook is connected .. right?Originally posted by elindra:I prefer to think of unsecured network like a patch of grass with a "private property" sign
Enter it and you are a trespasser. You are stepping on my grounds on my lalang grass you know
So where is the private property sign?
Also .. can your network be treated like private property? I'm not sure if there is any ratio decidendi for this. -
Let's say I am a good person and want to share my bandwidth with my neighbours or anyone in the vicinity.Originally posted by hisoka:i would agree except that theres no private property sign. either oyu know its private property or you dont and are jsut using it thinking its free for all
How am I gonna indicate my intention?
Rename my router to "free_for_all"? -
I think even in the coventional law of trespass, there should be a rule saying your no trespassing signboard should be obvious to people.
Am I right?
What if you stumble upon a patch of land one day, played soccer for 2 weeks, then realize there is a signboard tucked in one corner that says "private property - no trespassing"?