Mount Elizabeth Hospital rejects critically injured worker
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Post @ EDMW rather than STOMP.
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Let's see what the spokesperson from Mt E will say...
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Precisely. I've been admitted to hospital via A&E twice due to severe anemia and can tell the rest here that things don't seem as smooth as it is once you're in the observation area.Originally posted by FBI:hospitals things hor u all must really b hospitalized then know.
last time i stomach infection or something.. went to a hospital and need to wait for 3 hrs jus to get diagnose.. then after that still need to wait. then when i was on the bed i can't even get rest.. got 1 uncle kpkb say want go smoke, then jus beside me got this auntie dunno why, keep yelling pain. THen somemore the air con so cold me blanket also not enough.
Seems like most patinets over there keep calling the nurse and doctors.
wa lan eh i don wanan get hospitalized again
It's pretty chaotic, especially with patients who think they're the kings there and also patient in great pain due to injuries and stuffs. -
Ok.
Listen to this.
There is a DIFFERENCE between the Govt. Hospitals & Private Hospitals.
Private Hospitals:
` NO Life-saving equipments.
` 24hr Walk-in-Clinic.
` Mostly for Women & Kids.
`MOH Assigns as Non-Emergency Hospital.
(eg: SCDF Ambulance WILL NOT sent you to East Shore Hosp. but sent you to CGH even you have Heart Attack.)
Govt. Hospitals:
` EMERGENCY Life-saving equipments.
` MOH Assigned as EMERGENCY Hospitals
` Almost everything 24hrs. except foodcourt. =( -
Well, the reason is actually quite simple - He is a lowly paid construction worker from China. He will not be able to pay the hefty hospital bill ... so why give him treatment?
Oh please, get your evidence and proof before you go off accussing other people/organisation. Don't simply assume stuff or add in your own intepretation of the situation. You can be charged for slandering in this case, had the hospital want to.
As mentioned, it does not matter weather or not the construction worker lowly paid or not, he's covered by insurance. Hospitals have to transfer patients here and there if they lack the proper facilities...that simple! -
ok lar.
i am sure you have heard someone's suggestion to ship the aged and poor to batam. -
He was "transferred" from Mount Elizabeth Hospital (Mount E). The construction worker had fallen from 7th floor to 5th floor and then to the ground floor. His college rushed him to the nearest hospital, which was Mount E.
Why is the word transferred in quotation marks?
And his college? College is not a living thing.
I have doubts as to what really happened.
Edit: Everybody who rushes to A&E is critically injured, which is utterly nonsense. Some aren't, and I saw one rush to the A&E because she cut her finger, it wouldn't stop bleeding and WANTS a doctor to attend to her, when private clinics doctors would have settled it.
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colleague lah.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Why is the word transferred in quotation marks?
And his college? College is not a living thing.
I have doubts as to what really happened.
Edit: Everybody who rushes to A&E is critically injured, which is utterly nonsense. Some aren't, and I saw one rush to the A&E because she cut her finger, it wouldn't stop bleeding and WANTS a doctor to attend to her, when private clinics doctors would have settled it. -
QX5216J is right.Originally posted by QX5216J:Ok.
Listen to this.
There is a DIFFERENCE between the Govt. Hospitals & Private Hospitals.
Private Hospitals:
` NO Life-saving equipments.
` 24hr Walk-in-Clinic.
` Mostly for Women & Kids.
`MOH Assigns as Non-Emergency Hospital.
(eg: SCDF Ambulance WILL NOT sent you to East Shore Hosp. but sent you to CGH even you have Heart Attack.)
Govt. Hospitals:
` EMERGENCY Life-saving equipments.
` MOH Assigned as EMERGENCY Hospitals
` Almost everything 24hrs. except foodcourt. =(
you can stay opposite Mount E A&E, and you hand got stuck in a blender. and hence got severed...
i doubt Mount E is equipped to deal with such things. -
Depending on the condition of the bleeding.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Some aren't, and I saw one rush to the A&E because she cut her finger, it wouldn't stop bleeding and WANTS a doctor to attend to her, when private clinics doctors would have settled it.
if it keep on bleeding fro a prolong period (15-30mins), its time to hail a cab or call 995 before dying of Loss of Blood.. -
Gleneagles Hospital have A & E and a 24 hr walk in clinic leh.Originally posted by QX5216J:Ok.
Listen to this.
There is a DIFFERENCE between the Govt. Hospitals & Private Hospitals.
Private Hospitals:
` NO Life-saving equipments.
` 24hr Walk-in-Clinic.
` Mostly for Women & Kids.
`MOH Assigns as Non-Emergency Hospital.
(eg: SCDF Ambulance WILL NOT sent you to East Shore Hosp. but sent you to CGH even you have Heart Attack.)
Govt. Hospitals:
` EMERGENCY Life-saving equipments.
` MOH Assigned as EMERGENCY Hospitals
` Almost everything 24hrs. except foodcourt. =( -
thats under 24-hr clinic right? i DID state 24hr clinic for Private hospital.Originally posted by Manager433:Gleneagles Hospital have A & E and a 24 hr walk in clinic leh. -
Whether its private or government organisation, the main purpose is still profit making. No money means out you go.
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Taken from an SCDF Ambulance (QX5212U)
So don't think of getting a SCDF EMERGENCY AMBULANCE into Private Hospitals. Such as those in Parkway Health Grp.
SCDF Plys MOH Hospitals. for all EMERGENCY cases. (thus u'll call 995 what.)
last thing. pls call 995 if theres an EMERGENCY. call 1777 for NON-EMERGENCY
thats why the SCDF Ambulances gone to restickering of their Ambulances from "Ambulance" to "Emergency Ambulance".
Offtopic:
Pics of SCDF Ambulance (Same Ambulance)
"Ambulance"
"EMERGENCY Ambulance"
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Finger do not have any major blood vessal, and as long as pressure is being applied, should stop bleeding in max 5mins.Originally posted by QX5216J:Depending on the condition of the bleeding.
if it keep on bleeding fro a prolong period (15-30mins), its time to hail a cab or call 995 before dying of Loss of Blood.. -
Originally posted by quarkz:
My take is, Mt E must have stablize the patient before transferring to TTSH. Why jump to the conclusion that he is not treated because he is a china worker? Mt E is a private hospital, which means, they might not have the Emergency equipments.
Hi,
Just would like to highlight something which happened this Monday ........ PS: The construction worker is now in the high dependency ward (ie bet normal & intensive). [b]It seems that his life is still NOT out of danger yet.[/b]
Btw, there is a HUGE difference from High D and Intensive care unit. For all u know, that china worker will be in a normal surgical ward the next day.
Dun jump to conclusion before knowing the whole issue. That is how rumors starts. -
Other hospitals also transfer patients to TTSH after providing initial treatment and when the patient is stabilised. TTSH seems to specilize in neurological or head trauma.
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Hmm... I think they simply have not equipment ba... I visit mount e before and it most occupied by pirvate clinic ... So i don't think they have equipment for life-saving....
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Sometimes, Singaporeans so quick to complain, when they should evaluate the whole situation first before mouthing off.
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Mt E does have an A/E department. They have an obligation to stabilize the patient and decide if he is fit for transfer to another hospital. If he is unfit for transfer, Mt E will have to treat him. The threadstarter does not know the condition of the worker. For all we know, he might just have dislocated a shoulder, not at all life-threatening.
Second, as he is a foreign worker, he would be treated as a non-subsidized patient at TTSH as well. The differential in fees between Mt E and private ward charges in TTSH is not that much (not to say they are similar).
Third, foreign workers may be covered by medical insurance purchased by their employers (it is going to be a statutory requirement in future). The insurance companies may have stipulations as to the hospital for treatment, except in life-threatending situations.
The threadstarter is typical of those who pounce on any excuse to criticize the government, without facts, without reason, without brains. -
Originally posted by quarkz:
If he is in a life threatening condition - he will be in the intensive care ward, not high dependency .
Hi,
Just would like to highlight something which happened this Monday (29/1/7) around noon time. My friend was working in Tan Tock Seng hospital (TTSH) at that time and he saw a critically injured construction worker being rushed into the A&E department.
He was "transferred" from Mount Elizabeth Hospital (Mount E). The construction worker had fallen from 7th floor to 5th floor and then to the ground floor. His college rushed him to the nearest hospital, which was Mount E.
However, instead of treating this serious injured guy, he was simply put on drip and transferred to Tan Tock Seng hospital.
[b]Why wasn't he treated or operated immediately? It's a matter of life and death. The transfer from Mount E to TTSH could take anywhere between 20mins to 40mins or even longer depending on traffic condition. This time difference meant that he may lose his life.
Well, the reason is actually quite simple - He is a lowly paid construction worker from China. He will not be able to pay the hefty hospital bill ... so why give him treatment?
To Mount E, it seems that these ppl's lives are not worth saving! It's better to use the resources available to treat the rich ppl! I don't know who made the decision to transfer the serious injured guy but I believe it's a common practice over there.
It's really sad, disappointing to see such things happening. Should the motto of a doctor or hospital to try their very best to save lives, no matter who they are?
I'm posting this because I feel that such things 've to be made known. I wonder how ppl feel after reading this? Ignorant, indifferent ....?
PS: The construction worker is now in the high dependency ward (ie bet normal & intensive). It seems that his life is still NOT out of danger yet.[/b]
Mount E has no specialist A&E doctors . They have private specialists who treat private patients, those usually manning the A&E are locums and they usually call down all the specialists relevant to the parts of the body injured. It is better to transfer that man to TTSH.
Treatment - first doctors have to assess the patient and then if the doctor state that he is stable medically for transfer - he will be transferred. At least they gave him a drip .Operation can only occur when the patient is stable enough to take the general anaesthetic or else he will die on the operating table. Sometimes the risk has to be weighted against the benefit of operating someone.
His colleague should have called the ambulance if his life was in danger. -
Originally posted by quarkz:
Are you certain that this is the main reason they transfered the injured worker to another hospital?
Well, the reason is actually quite simple - [b]He is a lowly paid construction worker from China. He will not be able to pay the hefty hospital bill ... so why give him treatment?
To Mount E, it seems that these ppl's lives are not worth saving! It's better to use the resources available to treat the rich ppl! I don't know who made the decision to transfer the serious injured guy but I believe it's a common practice over there.
It's really sad, disappointing to see such things happening. Should the motto of a doctor or hospital to try their very best to save lives, no matter who they are?
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Some hospitals simply don't have the emergency facilities/department to attend to injured people and Mount E might be one of them. So even if the accidents happen in front of the hospital, they can't do anything about it.
I think when that accident happened, the colleague should have called an ambulance as the paramedics are trained to handle people with serious injuries and know which is the best and closest hospital to send him to. The colleague could have done more harm to the injured man even though it is out of his good intention. -
Dear TS, I think your initial judgement may be too harsh and rash.Originally posted by photo_seeker:Depending on the initial assessment of the patient, there might be needs for Mount E to transfer the patient to another hospital.
I wouldn't agree with you that Mount E transferred him out because that the patient have the potential of being unable to pay because he's lowly paid as ALL CONSTRUCTION SITES WORKERS are being covered by insurance policy which covers work site injuries.
There must be some reasons why he was transferred to TTSH. Perhaps you need to find out more. Don't just look at the tip of iceberg.
Yes, most private hospitals do have a premium. but, I don't believe if critical, any doctors, nurses or hospitals would reject. That's an insult to their profession and their ethics. And for those who jumped on the bandwagon, shame on you.
Please rem what happened during the SARS saga, how we all benefited from their TLC (tender loving care). -
On what basis have you made your conclusion - ignorance?
The construction worker may be lowly-paid but he won't be liable to pay the medical fees if he sustained the injury in the course of performing his work. It is his company which will be liable. The company will most likely have insurance coverage for its workers. So the fact that the worker is poor is irrelevant right from the very beginning.
Secondly, it is probably more likely that Mt E does not have the facilities/ doctors to treat the injuries suffered by the casualty which Tan Tock Seng has. The victim was definitely not just "put on a drip" and transferred. He most probably will have first been ascertained to be stable first, that is, his life is not threatened, before arrangement is made for the transfer.
As such, your conclusion is most laughable and biased. Perhaps you've got something against the rich........?