IS spoken Jawi the same thing as Bahasa Malayu ?
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what language is this sia?Originally posted by Superbus:Woi korang takmo main
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bole tak?
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lolz...Looks like the lost ancient languageOriginally posted by laurence82:what language is this sia?
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Bahasa Melayu Pasar.Originally posted by laurence82:what language is this sia? -
see what i meant by mangling the languageOriginally posted by Superbus:Bahasa Melayu Pasar.
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I htink this language from Malacca>Originally posted by laurence82:what language is this sia?
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Apparently I'm not, Bahasa Melayu Pasar is the everyday Malay you hear on the streets. Widely used in movies and TV and have been in existence since God-knows-when. Every single Malay speaks in Bahasa Melayu Pasar.Originally posted by laurence82:see what i meant by mangling the language
Cikgu Muhammad Ariff Ahmad and Za'aba would have protested the use of Bahasa Melayu Pasar if it does 'mangled' the beauty of Bahasa Melayu.
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Not where i came from, the Malays dont speak like thatOriginally posted by Superbus:Apparently I'm not, Bahasa Melayu Pasar is the everyday Malay you hear on the streets. Widely used in movies and TV and have been in existence since God-knows-when. Every single Malay speaks in Bahasa Melayu Pasar.
Cikgu Muhammad Ariff Ahmad and Za'aba would have protested the use of Bahasa Melayu Pasar if it does 'mangled' the beauty of Bahasa Melayu. 
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Just curious, where do you came from?Originally posted by laurence82:Not where i came from, the Malays dont speak like that
On a side note, Bahasa Melayu Pasar is officially a dialect of Bahasa Melayu. -
JohorOriginally posted by Superbus:Just curious, where do you came from?
On a side note, Bahasa Melayu Pasar is officially a dialect of Bahasa Melayu.
haha
so far, never heard it, but then again, times changed -
Even languages go through some sort of linguistic evoluiton.The Bahasa Melayu we are talking about here is the Malay language spoken in the Malacca sultanate hundreds of years ago right?
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But its seriously understudied, and there were little advances in the development of the languageOriginally posted by Short Ninja:Even languages go through some sort of linguistic evoluiton.The Bahasa Melayu we are talking about here is the Malay language spoken in the Malacca sultanate hundreds of years ago right?
I rem Mahathir was lamenting a few years ago that the Malay language ended up just copying or adopting several English words blatantly -
You know what? Its time to rent the old P.Ramlee Hang Tuah Movie>
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Hang Tuah, Sang Kancil..classics
my primary sch Malay language teacher always make us copy the whole dialogue of the story -
My Malay teacher from Batang keling Primary School (Tanglin) used to make all the non-malays sit together in a corner.There were like 7 of us and she called us the sampar group ,she was a real rascist even when I spoke better Malay than her>LOL
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Yes, an evolution. I am not an expert in Bahasa Melayu but my understanding is that much of Malays residing in Central and Southern Peninsular Malaysia, including Singapore and the Riau Archipelago, converse in Bahasa Melayu-Riau. Melayu Pasar is an evolution of Melayu-Riau, so no surprises if they are similar. However I am not too sure if the Bahasa Melayu used during the Malacca Sultanate Age is the Bahasa Melayu we are using today. It may have been slightly different.
Coincidentally, there was an editorial in Berita Harian Singapore recently commenting on the 'westernised' Bahasa Melayu which is unfortunately much more rampant nowadays. -
The Malacca Sultanate had strong influence in the developement of the Malay language and culture.And the Minangkabau influence also played a part in merging the Malay dialects into one standardized language.
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[quote]Originally posted by Superbus:
[b]Yes, an evolution. I am not an expert in Bahasa Melayu but my understanding is that much of Malays residing in Central and Southern Peninsular Malaysia, including Singapore and the Riau Archipelago, converse in Bahasa Melayu-Riau. Melayu Pasar is an evolution of Melayu-Riau, so no surprises if they are similar. However I am not too sure if the Bahasa Melayu used during the Malacca Sultanate Age is the Bahasa Melayu we are using today. It may have been slightly different.
The language tranformation began with the Sri Vijaya around the Selangor area then came the Malacca Sultanate and finally the Johor -riau sultanate -
you got post any other threads regardin the same question ke, pantat sial?Originally posted by Advante_101:Limpek ask u to refer to above posted discussed threads la u babi king..not the topic -
You want an example of the Malacca's old Bahasa Melayu?Originally posted by Short Ninja:Even languages go through some sort of linguistic evoluiton.The Bahasa Melayu we are talking about here is the Malay language spoken in the Malacca sultanate hundreds of years ago right?
"Beta ingin pergi beradu di kamar beta."
"Patik meminta ampun dari hujung langit ke hujung hidung Shah Rukh Khan yang mancung, tuanku."
The non-serious one:
"Woi pantat, yang tuan hamba mencuri beras dari J.W.W. Birch tu buat hape? Buang tebiat? You bo liao already arh?" -
"Walaupun rupamu tidak kukenal, tetapi lubang hidungmu tetap menjadi pujaan hatiku"Originally posted by aku1b0d0:You want an example of the Malacca's old Bahasa Melayu?
"Beta ingin pergi beradu di kamar beta."
"Patik meminta ampun dari hujung langit ke hujung hidung Shah Rukh Khan yang mancung, tuanku."
The non-serious one:
"Woi pantat, yang tuan hamba mencuri beras dari J.W.W. Birch tu buat hape? Buang tebiat? You bo liao already arh?" -
Kepala otak engkau lah.... :Originally posted by aku1b0d0:You want an example of the Malacca's old Bahasa Melayu?
"Beta ingin pergi beradu di kamar beta."
"Patik meminta ampun dari hujung langit ke hujung hidung Shah Rukh Khan yang mancung, tuanku."
The non-serious one:
"Woi pantat, yang tuan hamba mencuri beras dari J.W.W. Birch tu buat hape? Buang tebiat? You bo liao already arh?" mrgreen: -
Amboi! bukan main lawa sekali nanti aku cepuk kau baru kau tau!Originally posted by Master -_-:"Walaupun rupamu tidak kukenal, tetapi lubang hidungmu tetap menjadi pujaan hatiku" -
Diam ar palat. Kau nak kene lempang laju2?Originally posted by Short Ninja:Amboi! bukan main lawa sekali nanti aku cepuk kau baru kau tau! -
gi mampos sua.......Originally posted by aku1b0d0:Diam ar palat. Kau nak kene lempang laju2?
Lemme clarify
There is no such thing as spoken Jawi
You can read Jawi which is Mahasa Melayu
In other words Bahasa melayu written in Jawi form
The difference is only how it is written
Bahasa Melayu also have several different dialects such especially from Malaysia
If you notice, ppl from Perak speak differently from people from Malacca
They pronounce some words differently
Bahasa Indonesia is also totally different and also have different dialects
Jawa is different from Jawi
Jawa is a dilect while Jawi is how you write bahasa melayu
Usually the 'waks' like to use them
i can speak in all dilects from Malaysia and Bahasa Indonesia
I can also read and write both Jawi and arabic well
total ownage -
two distinct types of bahasa Melayu in Peninsula Malaysia are pattani Malay which is also spoken in southern thailand & in the Northern states except for kedah and the johor-riau Malay which is more familiar to the rest of Malaysia,Kalimantan,Brunei SIngapore,main land riau in Sumatra and riau islands like batam,bintan,karimun.......Tanjung pinang.I have no idea why the thais called the language of Pattani Malays Yawi which is the thai mispronunciation for jawi ( the letter J in thai is always replace by the letter Y)Originally posted by XTransbus:gi mampos sua.......
Lemme clarify
There is no such thing as spoken Jawi
You can read Jawi which is Mahasa Melayu
In other words Bahasa melayu written in Jawi form
The difference is only how it is written
Bahasa Melayu also have several different dialects such especially from Malaysia
If you notice, ppl from Perak speak differently from people from Malacca
They pronounce some words differently
Bahasa Indonesia is also totally different and also have different dialects
Jawa is different from Jawi
Jawa is a dilect while Jawi is how you write bahasa melayu
Usually the 'waks' like to use them
i can speak in all dilects from Malaysia and Bahasa Indonesia
I can also read and write both Jawi and arabic well
total ownage
Apparently there is such a language called Jawi and it is an almost extinct language spoken by a tribe of aborigines in Australia but this language has nothing to do with the Malay language.