I do not exist - andrew pk yap
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You changed from just doing this... to trying to come up with sound arguments... that my friend is changing changing...Originally posted by allentyb:goodness i already mention before, why i
only, and what are you trying to say, HUH?
this is not a question of changing, it is matter of why i because i think it is a lame thread, so therefore i
what does this has to do with changing?
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hey it is the secret to happiness and the meaning of life ah... don't pray pray...Originally posted by the.owl:damn! this is some deep philosophy shit! I need to meditate to absorb this newfound wisdom, man, this shit is heavy! -
because you said that i am only capable ofOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:You changed from just doing this... to trying to come up with sound arguments... that my friend is changing changing... , that is why i type sentence into your thread, nothing to do with changing,
if you never reply to my post, i would have stick with only
but you are the one, who wishes to ask me whether am i capable of, coming up with serious argument, so i debate with you lor
what is that, going to with changing
changing is a general word -
I know! like, what if next minute I become another person? and then he will come and fight with me from the previous minute! what if he knows some pro technique? man thats fucked up! but what if he doesnt really know shit, and he just says he does? maybe his technique is shit? Damn!Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:hey it is the secret to happiness and the meaning of life ah... don't pray pray... -
You change because of something I did - reply to your post - or whatever...Originally posted by allentyb:because you said that i am only capable of , that is why i type sentence into your thread, nothing to do with changing,
if you never reply to my post, i would have stick with only
but you are the one, who wishes to ask me whether am i capable of, coming up with serious argument, so i debate with you lor
what is that, going to with changing
changing is a general word
This is the United States of Whatever
This is the United States of Whatever
This is the United States of Whatever
It does not matter... what matters is that you changed... from simply to trying to make sound arguments... -
you are good, I can do business with you...Originally posted by the.owl:I know! like, what if next minute I become another person? and then he will come and fight with me from the previous minute! what if he knows some pro technique? man thats fucked up! but what if he doesnt really know shit, and he just says he does? maybe his technique is shit? Damn! -
ok so?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:You change because of something I did - reply to your post - or whatever...
This is the United States of Whatever
This is the United States of Whatever
This is the United States of Whatever
It does not matter... what matters is that you changed... from simply to trying to make sound arguments... -
change change change change change... persistently...Originally posted by allentyb:ok so? -
stop trying to talk psychology lah.
these kind of things psychology already talk for so many years liao.
no one say that 'you' is a constant entity -
Hudax1's clone... hahaha.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:I keep on changing
I grow old, for example
Can I just stay still
and not change my mind?
The thought in my head, "hold it"
"hold it, hold it, hold it..."
Damnit I said, hold it...
If my thoughts keep changing...
My body keeps changing
Can I Stop breathing and stop my heart beating?
Stay still, stop breathing and stop, my stupid heart, stop beating
for an hour or two, so I can be me, unchanging for an hour or two
so who the hell am I?
the me that existed just an hour ago was changing changing changing
the thoughts changed...
damnit, who the hell am I? -
the ever changing you is you.. if follow your logic, what is what? a tree will not be a tree. A stone will not be a stone. everything will not be everything. WHy because of time? So you want time to stop? Pictures then..
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What you say is very right ... ...
I agree ... ...
Have a nice day... ...
Bye ... ...
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You can identify your self-existence by identifying your time, date and place of your birth.
I keep on changing
I grow old, for example
Can I just stay still
and not change my mind?
The thought in my head, "hold it"
"hold it, hold it, hold it..."
Damnit I said, hold it...
If my thoughts keep changing...
My body keeps changing
Can I Stop breathing and stop my heart beating?
Stay still, stop breathing and stop, my stupid heart, stop beating
for an hour or two, so I can be me, unchanging for an hour or two
so who the hell am I?
the me that existed just an hour ago was changing changing changing
the thoughts changed...
damnit, who the hell am I?
A person's name and identification number can be changed.
A person's physical body will change.
A person's mind will change.
But what you can never ever change is the time and location you are born into this world. The possibility of two person born at the same place and time is extremely low, thus the birth data of a person is unique in almost all human births (over 99% birth data are unique).
Summary: Your birth data is a very solid proof of your unique existence. -
you are yourselfOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:I keep on changing
I grow old, for example
Can I just stay still
and not change my mind?
The thought in my head, "hold it"
"hold it, hold it, hold it..."
Damnit I said, hold it...
If my thoughts keep changing...
My body keeps changing
Can I Stop breathing and stop my heart beating?
Stay still, stop breathing and stop, my stupid heart, stop beating
for an hour or two, so I can be me, unchanging for an hour or two
so who the hell am I?
the me that existed just an hour ago was changing changing changing
the thoughts changed...
damnit, who the hell am I?
a name is an identity.
you decide your fate, your future.
we change along with time, and i am happy for it.
too much of a good thing will ruin you. -
You are missing the point... it is not, " a tree will not be a tree. A stone will not be a stone. everything will not be everything" but that the tree that you see is changing all the time... you are changing all the time... if something is constantly changing all the time, can you point to an instance where you can say... "me"Originally posted by dinky1409:the ever changing you is you.. if follow your logic, what is what? a tree will not be a tree. A stone will not be a stone. everything will not be everything. WHy because of time? So you want time to stop? Pictures then..
The minute you point to that instance... that "you" of that instance has changed...
If you say... the "me" that is "now"... is "me"...
But you know for sure that the "me" that is "now" is changing... and would have changed... by the time you finish reading this post...
If you take a snapshot, all you can say is... that was "me" but it is no longer "I" for that "me" or "I" has changed... -
Which "you" are you "yourself"?Originally posted by gigabyte14:you are yourself
a name is an identity.
you decide your fate, your future.
we change along with time, and i am happy for it.
too much of a good thing will ruin you.
The "you" that is "you" "now" will change for sure.
The "you" that was "you" "then" had changed for sure.
A name is an identity of whom, when you are changing all the time?
A name identifies "someone" that was "like that" but that someone that was "like that" has now become "like this" and will become "something else" again...
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The "you" that was identified by your " time, date and place of your birth" was a new born baby... are you still a new born baby? Does it still identify you? Sure, it identifies you if you had remained a new born baby...Originally posted by SoulDivine:You can identify your self-existence by identifying your time, date and place of your birth.
A person's name and identification number can be changed.
A person's physical body will change.
A person's mind will change.
But what you can never ever change is the time and location you are born into this world. The possibility of two person born at the same place and time is extremely low, thus the birth data of a person is unique in almost all human births (over 99% birth data are unique).
Summary: Your birth data is a very solid proof of your unique existence. -
ok, we know that you are ever changing...................
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Good, I was so afraid you didn't know...Originally posted by allentyb:ok, we know that you are ever changing................... -
i chose not to debate with you anymore, you and your theory,Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Good, I was so afraid you didn't know... -
OKOriginally posted by allentyb:i chose not to debate with you anymore, you and your theory, -
Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:OK
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Then what did you expect me to say?Originally posted by allentyb:
"Let's step outside and settle this once and for all"? -
The "you" that was identified by your " time, date and place of your birth" was a new born baby... are you still a new born baby? Does it still identify you? Sure, it identifies you if you had remained a new born baby...
Let me explain a little more.
A person birth data may have this data format.
[YYYY/MM/DD/HH/MM, Latitude & Longitude]
Example: [1980/01/01/00/00, 1.22N 103.50E]
If a person is identified by this [birth data], it does no matter if the person is 100 years old or died 100 years ago. ,
The "you" is derived from the birth data and not by your physical existence, actions or mental existence.
If a person knows your birth data, the person never need to know how you look or feel like, "you" just exist regardless of how much "you" have changed.
Birth Data -> "you" -
That is because you use the word "You" in general terms.Originally posted by SoulDivine:Let me explain a little more.
A person birth data may have this data format.
[YYYY/MM/DD/HH/MM, Latitude & Longitude]
Example: [1980/01/01/00/00, 1.22N 103.50E]
If a person is identified by this [birth data], it does no matter if the person is 100 years old or died 100 years ago. ,
The "you" is derived from the birth data and not by your physical existence, actions or mental existence.
If a person knows your birth data, the person never need to know how you look or feel like, "you" just exist regardless of how much "you" have changed.
Birth Data -> "you"
Like, "My Pet Dog". You can then say, even though a few of them had died over the years, "My Pet Dog" is always existing. See that? That is "My Pet Dog".
Those pet dogs that died are no longer existing even if "Your Pet Dog" has always existed!
It is simply a play on words.
When you have changed... the old you is gone... and at every moment, because you are constantly changing... "you" constantly become "non-existing" to the point that "you" don't exist, the "you" that existed changes even before you can finish saying "I" "Me" or "You".