Student rights
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Hahahaha!Originally posted by davidche:as far as im not in the same side as the ts, i have to say your post is full of bullshit.
Cool down cool down...Hmmmm......YOU! Must be one of those that can't live without talking about the 2 words "Human Right" everyday right?
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Sure or not? Are you a little kid?Originally posted by davidche:security guards are privately hired and not working for the government. I dont think they have the right to demand a look of your ic. -
security guards are mostly NOT privately hired, most likely, except in the case where the school is autonomous.Originally posted by davidche:security guards are privately hired and not working for the government. I dont think they have the right to demand a look of your ic. -
why so much trouble over such smmall things
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no relavance, i am talking about your post, your way of thinking...Originally posted by BaruKu_9:Hahahaha!
Cool down cool down...Hmmmm......YOU! Must be one of those that can't live without talking about the 2 words "Human Right" everyday right? -
if you change the word small to trivial, it tends to sound nicer.Originally posted by DjMatrix:why so much trouble over such smmall things -
is it? i no little about these things. How about condo security guards?Originally posted by BusSpeeder:security guards are mostly NOT privately hired, most likely, except in the case where the school is autonomous. -
Security guards, being employed by the school, can and have the right to enforce school rules. For example, if you stayed in an empty classroom beyond your welcome, you may be asked to leave. It is the school's right to designate whether or not empty classrooms are to be used by students and staff alike. Mind you, this is not a student right issue here. Staff alike, if not given the green light, may be asked to leave as well.
As for smoking and other behaviours within the school compound, well, its the school rule, you can only obey. Its the same anywhere.
As for smoking outside the school compound, the school certainly have a right to set school rules. However, whether this is technically enforceable or not... ask yourself:
Outside the school compound, security guards has got no jurisdiction. They have as much rights as a common citizen.
1. Can a common citizen ask for your identification?
No, only public servants such as a police officer, or NEA officer etc has the rights.
2. Can a common citizen stop you, and then restrain your movement if you do not comply to their demands? (e.g. to ask for student pass)
No. That constitutes unlawful restraint.
3. Can a common citizen chase after you to comply to his/her demands?
No. That's harrassment.
4. What can i do if a security guard stops me outside my campus for smoking?
You can simply walk away. They is no need to comply to his/her demands.
You want to know your rights? There you got it.
Bewarned though, underage possession of tobacco products is an offence. You will not want to be caught by the police for that.
If you are =>18, you should be fine. If stopped, simply walk away from the scene.
Note: I am not qualified to give legal advices, and the above posting shall constitute an informed personal opinion, not amounting to a legal advice. -
Being employed for a govt org, or in the case of a polytechnic (stat board) does not automatically constitutes a person an authorised public servant with authority to demand for identification. Such public servants are authorised by wirtten laws. In the case of a security guard (not auxillary police!!), their powers are limited to specific compounds. Check the statute.Originally posted by BusSpeeder:security guards are mostly NOT privately hired, most likely, except in the case where the school is autonomous. -
wa must be law student. yes your last sentence is very impt, i spoke to a legal consultant before and they say that they cant give legal advise thru emails.Originally posted by prso:Security guards, being employed by the school, can and have the right to enforce school rules. For example, if you stayed in an empty classroom beyond your welcome, you may be asked to leave. It is the school's right to designate whether or not empty classrooms are to be used by students and staff alike. Mind you, this is not a student right issue here. Staff alike, if not given the green light, may be asked to leave as well.
As for smoking and other behaviours within the school compound, well, its the school rule, you can only obey. Its the same anywhere.
As for smoking outside the school compound, the school certainly have a right to set school rules. However, whether this is technically enforceable or not... ask yourself:
Outside the school compound, security guards has got no jurisdiction. They have as much rights as a common citizen.
1. Can a common citizen ask for your identification?
No, only public servants such as a police officer, or NEA officer etc has the rights.
2. Can a common citizen stop you, and then restrain your movement if you do not comply to their demands? (e.g. to ask for student pass)
No. That constitutes unlawful restraint.
3. Can a common citizen chase after you to comply to his/her demands?
No. That's harrassment.
4. What can i do if a security guard stops me outside my campus for smoking?
You can simply walk away. They is no need to comply to his/her demands.
You want to know your rights? There you got it.
Bewarned though, underage possession of tobacco products is an offence. You will not want to be caught by the police for that.
If you are =>18, you should be fine. If stopped, simply walk away from the scene.
Note: I am not qualified to give legal advices, and the above posting shall constitute an informed personal opinion, not amounting to a legal advice. -
thx for clearing that up. But can i ask what authority/ law/ constitution is the school under, when demanding us to obey school rules?Originally posted by prso:Being employed for a govt org, or in the case of a polytechnic (stat board) does not automatically constitutes a person an authorised public servant with authority to demand for identification. Such public servants are authorised by wirtten laws. In the case of a security guard (not auxillary police!!), their powers are limited to specific compounds. Check the statute. -
limbei concur.Originally posted by FireIce:there is no student rights, oni school rules.