No help for dying dad at Woodlands checkpoint
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Well, that was one of the consideration why I didn't act on it... well, a few years later, the mama delivery man was in our office depatching magazine.. he was always in hurry and sweaty.. he had a heart attack and the office's doctor was summon to help.... he came up recee around and without even touch the patient, he said " Call the ambulance !"... We were all speculating why he didn't perform CPR when he is the medical authority .. this time round I wasn't there....Originally posted by jetabt767400:You will not be blamed for the death if you have a valid certificate or that can show you have went through the course before.
But like always, make sure the other party is doing wrongly then approach, or else might end up the one doing wrongly...
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If u have first aider is better than no first aider...Originally posted by wildlife123:so what if he is trained, he might not done it before. TS defintely dont want to become a guinea pig
if a person's heart failed or bleeding profusely, a first aider can help to prolong the victim's life till professional medical team come...
Actually, the question is not if the TS want or not??
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OH MY GOD!!! MY BOOB EXPLODED!!! EMERGENCY!!!Originally posted by FireIce:need to build a hospital there with state-of-the-art equipment like heart transplant and br3ast enlargement
u neber know wat kinda emergencies will happen
Imagine mad woman screaming at check pt...
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Do yourself a favour !! use your brain.Originally posted by Ristar:u think he would stand there like an idiot for 10 minutes and stare at people?
do yourself a favour and re-read the article and not embarrass yourself
if a guy is making a whole hell of noise and stuff !!! - you frankly think the god damn police or custom would have taken him away in 5mins !!!
10 mins - to walk by 2 cars + walk back + stamping the passport + time the officer shut the glass. Hell even an idiot knows there is a lot of missing minutes !!! If he is not stand there like an idiot and look at his watch and time 10 mintues final get the chop then go back to his car !!! You so smart then tell me what the hell you think he was doing in that 10mins -
Sad. You mean the father died just because they acted slowly?
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please carry on and ignore my point that you cant read.Originally posted by storywolf:Do yourself a favour !! use your brain.
if a guy is making a whole hell of noise and stuff !!! - you frankly think the god damn police or custom would have taken him away in 5mins !!!
10 mins - to walk by 2 cars + walk back + stamping the passport + time the officer shut the glass. Hell even an idiot knows there is a lot of missing minutes !!! If he is not stand there like an idiot and look at his watch and time 10 mintues final get the chop then go back to his car !!! You so smart then tell me what the hell you think he was doing in that 10minsOriginally posted by caleb_chiang:
storywolf, do i need to say more, or u just dun get it?
Even if the officer did endorse for him, he still need to wait for the 2 cars to leave first before he can exit. Thus, he is only prolonging time and not helping at all. -
i would smash the window and pull the officer out of the cubicle. A life is at stake.. this kind of attitude should'nt be tolerated..
The guy did the right thing in bringing this up to the media. The officers there are probably screwed now. -
lol.. if it is me, I wont smash the window lah.. I will simply drive pass without immigrationOriginally posted by o0Nite0o:i would smash the window and pull the officer out of the cubicle. A life is at stake.. this kind of attitude should'nt be tolerated..
The guy did the right thing in bringing this up to the media. The officers there are probably screwed now. -
and you believe the 143th press in the world?Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:There was a report in the ST that LKY booked the whole plane and that he was paying it out of his pocket .. If I remember correctly, it was also mentioned in one of the Parliment sitting . . .
Anyway it is unclear whether he *demanded* to book the *whole* plane or he just arranged with the carrier to bring her back. I suppose if you fly first class, there are things the crew can do to bring a sick person back home? But we can agree that SIA was doing above his expectations. He paid because he did not want people to think SIA gave him free treatment. -
It is true that money can "buy" things like time and wealth. For example you go private hospital, queue is shorter? and standard of healthcare is higher. Also if better doctors operate on you, the chance of a successful operation is higher.Originally posted by jetabt767400:Some lives are more 'worth' than others. Unless its beyond saving, like sure die one, then also no choice, but when they have the money, and the connections and relations, anything can be done, including pulling down the moon or making one more Merlion or having the entire Lim Chu Kang as him/her grave...
We have to ask ourselves, how much our lives are worth? Maybe $200000? Their lives in the eyes of political planners are worth many zeros behind we cannot even count...
So you blaming who? Capitalism? Money?
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Tsk tsk... Talk about improving service quality...
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ever wondered why he is not the one who knows first aid?
why need to depend on others?
first aid courses are available for public
check out red cross website for details -
The reply.... I am very suspicious on why there are very big differences in timings and the accounts from all parties....
Checkpoint officers had rendered assistance
WE EXTEND our sincere condolences to Mr Norhafiz Zahid and his family on the loss of his father ('No help for dying dad at Woodlands checkpoint'; ST, July 16).
We wish to clarify some facts. Mr Norhafiz wrote that he arrived at Woodlands Checkpoint at 12.10am where he called 995 for an ambulance from the Singapore Civil Defence Force (SCDF).
The timings of CCTV recordings and computer systems at the immigration booths are logged. All calls to SCDF are also recorded and tracked automatically, from the time of call to the despatch and arrival of the ambulance, and until the patient is transferred to hospital.
Based on these records, Mr Norhafiz's car arrived at the Woodlands Checkpoint at 12.50am, joining a queue of two cars at an immigration booth at 12.53am. He got out of his car and handed over his and his father's passports to an officer of the Immigration and Checkpoints Authority (ICA) and sought her help to jump the queue. As the single-lane design of the immigration booth allows only one car to pass, the ICA officer quickly cleared the two cars in front of his so that he could drive through.
Mr Norhafiz made a call to the SCDF for an ambulance at 12.55am. He was informed that an ambulance would be despatched.
Mr Norhafiz and his father's passports were processed without delay at the immigration booth at 12.57am, four minutes after his car joined the queue at the booth.
After immigration clearance, he alerted the checkpoint officer manning the Police Enforcement Terminal to his father's condition. This was at 12.58am. The officer immediately called the SCDF for an ambulance. This call was also recorded by the SCDF system.
The ambulance arrived at the Woodlands Checkpoint at 1.01am, six minutes after receiving Mr Norhafiz's call. The paramedics found his father to be having no pulse and not breathing. They commenced cardio-pulmonary resuscitation immediately and continued CPR en route to National University Hospital.
We are sorry that our officers might have given Mr Norhafiz the impression that they were unhelpful and uncaring. Our officers had tried their best to render assistance.
Mr Norhafiz suggested that more staff should be trained in first aid and CPR. Some officers have already been trained and more will be trained. There is also an on-going effort not only to train Home Team officers but also to encourage members of the public to learn such skills.
We would like to assure Mr Norhafiz that we do not condone rudeness and unprofessional conduct by our officers. If he wishes, we could meet him to discuss this matter further.
LTC N. Subhas
Director
Public Affairs Department
Singapore Civil Defence Force
Eunice Chu (Ms)
Deputy Director
Corporate Communications Division
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Since some of the officers is trained in CPR, why no one perform it on the victim. Like some say, at least still got chance for survival right ??Originally posted by Ponders:The reply.... I am very suspicious on why there are very big differences in timings and the accounts from all parties.... -
now which parties is correct??
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Originally posted by Ristar:
That is my point !!! that you just do not use your brain !!!
Even if the officer did endorse for him, he still need to wait for the 2 cars to leave first before he can exit. Thus, he is only prolonging time and not helping at all.
[b]storywolf, do i need to say more, or u just dun get it?[/b]
You just keep thinking of normal situation which died died must queue right !!!
Use your brain a little. Use your little brain a little- cars = transport = can move !!! If they can be move , they can easily be divered to other empty booths temporary or just move pass the booth at the side road first to let the fella car through !!!
U dun get it right !!! because you just blind assume it cannot be done. Think of it, can walk up to the first & 2nd car tell them behind got people heart attack need emergency to go through - pls move front and park at side let us through first - take only 1/2 mintue to communciate to both cars !!! what so hard about that !!! the 2 car passport can be process later after the fella is through, which i think the custom officer is also blur sotong !!! instead of doing that, she blur blur just take the effort of clearing the front 2 cars faster that all .
U just do not get it right !!! look at the road outside - yes see cars can move !!! Yep get that into your brain, what you need is someone to get them to move. -
think both side also blur !!!Originally posted by Urroh:now which parties is correct??
on custom side - As the single-lane design of the immigration booth allows only one car to pass, the ICA officer quickly cleared the two cars in front of his so that he could drive through.
Well the question is why the damn ICA officer need to still clear the 2 cars in front !!! Yep the booth is single lane, the road after that is not !!! she can bloody tell them to move the cars after the booth park there and let the guy get through 1st then process them. She die die also want to process 1st for what !!! think must send them to see Jack Neo film
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You sure the ICA lady will be screwed? The most she justifies her action by telling herself that there was this mad person knocking frantically on the glass. And she was doing her duty protecting the borders of Sg from illegal immigrants. I will bet she sleeps soundly as always too. Only when she is put into such a critical situation, as the poor man, will she understand that helplessness feeling. Too bad karma does not come around fast enough. Too heartless a society we have become.Originally posted by o0Nite0o:i would smash the window and pull the officer out of the cubicle. A life is at stake.. this kind of attitude should'nt be tolerated..
The guy did the right thing in bringing this up to the media. The officers there are probably screwed now. -
it still does not take away the fact that u cant read.Originally posted by storywolf:That is my point !!! that you just do not use your brain !!!
You just keep thinking of normal situation which died died must queue right !!!
Use your brain a little. Use your little brain a little- cars = transport = can move !!! If they can be move , they can easily be divered to other empty booths temporary or just move pass the booth at the side road first to let the fella car through !!!
U dun get it right !!! because you just blind assume it cannot be done. Think of it, can walk up to the first & 2nd car tell them behind got people heart attack need emergency to go through - pls move front and park at side let us through first - take only 1/2 mintue to communciate to both cars !!! what so hard about that !!! the 2 car passport can be process later after the fella is through, which i think the custom officer is also blur sotong !!! instead of doing that, she blur blur just take the effort of clearing the front 2 cars faster that all .
U just do not get it right !!! look at the road outside - yes see cars can move !!! Yep get that into your brain, what you need is someone to get them to move. -
Originally posted by Ristar:wat a fcuker u ccb.
keep on flip flopping, u ass. -
\Originally posted by Ristar:it still does not take away the fact that u cant read.
TO Ristar - it still does not take way the fact that u can't think . !!! Want me to pay for to send u to school to learn that car can move !!! -
my apologies and my sincere condolences
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The fact is that guy who wrote the forum couldn't think. He did something out of panic and caused the officer in the booth to slam his/her door at him. He should had approached any officers stationed at the side of the road to actually inform the officers in the front what is going on.Originally posted by storywolf:That is my point !!! that you just do not use your brain !!!
You just keep thinking of normal situation which died died must queue right !!!
Use your brain a little. Use your little brain a little- cars = transport = can move !!! If they can be move , they can easily be divered to other empty booths temporary or just move pass the booth at the side road first to let the fella car through !!!
U dun get it right !!! because you just blind assume it cannot be done. Think of it, can walk up to the first & 2nd car tell them behind got people heart attack need emergency to go through - pls move front and park at side let us through first - take only 1/2 mintue to communciate to both cars !!! what so hard about that !!! the 2 car passport can be process later after the fella is through, which i think the custom officer is also blur sotong !!! instead of doing that, she blur blur just take the effort of clearing the front 2 cars faster that all .
U just do not get it right !!! look at the road outside - yes see cars can move !!! Yep get that into your brain, what you need is someone to get them to move.
By doing so, he would actually be able to move through the custom more smoothly and not having to stop his vehicle, leave the seat and try to get the officer in the booth attention.
It is normal for people to slam their door shut and hey... it is a safety precaution... Let say you see someone out of the sudden ran towards you and maybe in a pananorid way... would you not slam the door at that person to protect yourself first?
And somemore, he should had ask other passengers in the car to seek help... you think it would not take time to park the car, open the door, walk here and there, come back, release handbrake and drive meh?
It can be done, but is the person really rational enough to correctly seek help at that moment? No one would know. -
They should have an emergency lane and standard procedures for this type of cases and put up signs like Medical Emergency lanes
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Mr Norhafiz must be very sad now. My condolences.