Second Korean Killed in Afganistan
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I don't think the Afghan government will release the Taliban prisoners. Now South Korea is appealing the Islamic religious leaders for help.
But then the Talibans are expecting goodwill from the allies. But nobody on the other side is showing any sign of goodwill. They think "it is not our policy to negotiate with terrorists". -
Have they agreed to withdraw their personnel from Afghan?Originally posted by feb31:any one knows how korea gonna solve this problem?
Now they are begging everyone for help. Beg the Afghan government. Beg the influential Islamic leaders. -
Which government?Originally posted by sEphIrOth:condolences...damn talibans, when will they realise that killing people for their religion is useless? and by the time the government has made a decision,think all are dead already.
The Koreans believe the Americans have influence.
The Americans will not negotiate with terrorists.
The Taliban make their demands on the Afghan government.
Taliban -> Afghan Government -> American <-Korean -
The ones heartless are the allies. They are the ones refusing to release the Taliban prisoners.Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:Heartless monsters.
Put it this way. The Talibans want a win-win situation. I believe they won't break their promise if their requests are met.
But the allies want a lose-lose-lose situation - the hostages dead, the terrorists still as arrogant, South Korea in tears.
Being civilized people, there is no way the Afghan government will kill the Taliban prisoners in revenge for the hostages' death. -
Hmm .. another Son Tay raid in the making?Originally posted by BadzMaro:they know the countries wont budge... now its time for a dramatic rescue effort.. which may go bad ... hope it doesnt.
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It is very sad.
The afghanistans were mad. They ought to kill their enemies, those who destroyed their countries, like soldiers, military people, etc, and not those who are there to help them! -
From my point of view
Kill the americans since they indirectly involve in the death of the prisioners.
Kill the talibans for the have committed murder.
It's a pity the Interpol is a neutral organisation. -
Let's see it in another way. Should they accede to the request, what makes you think there wouldn't be a second, third, fourth time?Originally posted by Icemoon:The ones heartless are the allies. They are the ones refusing to release the Taliban prisoners.
Put it this way. The Talibans want a win-win situation. I believe they won't break their promise if their requests are met.
But the allies want a lose-lose-lose situation - the hostages dead, the terrorists still as arrogant, South Korea in tears.
Being civilized people, there is no way the Afghan government will kill the Taliban prisoners in revenge for the hostages' death.
Either way, the heartless ones are the Taliban. The Koreans are innocent. -
i feel the people with the upper hand are usually the ones with hostages, not prisoners.
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Let's see it in yet another way. If the Talibans fail this time, what makes you think they won't try and try until they finally succeed? It doesn't take that much effort to get hostages, i.e. I don't think the Talibans need to raid a military camp to capture prisoners, they just capture any innocent that walks into their den.Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:Let's see it in another way. Should they accede to the request, what makes you think there wouldn't be a second, third, fourth time?
Either way, the heartless ones are the Taliban. The Koreans are innocent.
They can kill and kill until the US and her allies finally lose all support.
The Talibans are heartless but that's expected behaviour for kidnappers. Better than the US, jian4 si3 bu2 jiu4.
Edit: Seriously if the Talibans are really heartless, they will start killing one hostage at the beginning, to give the allies a xia4 ma3 wei1. -
Originally posted by Icemoon:The ones heartless are the allies. They are the ones refusing to release the Taliban prisoners.
Put it this way. The Talibans want a win-win situation. I believe they won't break their promise if their requests are met.
But the allies want a lose-lose-lose situation - the hostages dead, the terrorists still as arrogant, South Korea in tears.
Being civilized people, there is no way the Afghan government will kill the Taliban prisoners in revenge for the hostages' death.
how is that win win? you release the terrorist, you got more terrorist and leaders to carry out the "crusade"
the taliban release the tourist = nothing bad for them at all.
+ the taliban would have won a psychological battle and will be encouraged to try it again. -
Ok, we shouldn't glorify the Talibans, but facts are facts.
The Talibans are trying their best to redeem their fellow brothers in prison. Only when the allies show sign of playing punk (like trying to delay the deadline) then did the Talibans start killing hostages.
The US and Afghan? "We shall not negotiate with terrorists!" -
It is win-win for the Koreans and Talibans.Originally posted by hisoka:
how is that win win? you release the terrorist, you got more terrorist and leaders to carry out the "crusade"
the taliban release the tourist = nothing bad for them at all.
+ the taliban would have won a psychological battle and will be encouraged to try it again. -
Right now, if they give in to the Taliban, it would be an invitation for the Taliban to repeat the same acts over and over again. Why? Because the Taliban knows that they WILL get what they want in future. They will do what they need to do.Originally posted by Icemoon:Ok, we shouldn't glorify the Talibans, but facts are facts.
The Talibans are trying their best to redeem their fellow brothers in prison. Only when the allies show sign of playing punk (like trying to delay the deadline) then did the Talibans start killing hostages.
The US and Afghan? "We shall not negotiate with terrorists!"
I do not agree with letting innocent lives going to waste, but we should not give in to terrorism too. -
assuming it is, but asking the allies to facilitate a situation that is win-win for others but bad for them; and them refusing isn't exactly heartless right?Originally posted by Icemoon:It is win-win for the Koreans and Talibans.
but i would say its not win win for koreans too. for 1 a simple fact that if it works they will try it a second time. its an encouragement. you could say they might do it again another time anyway, but giving them encouragement only makes it worse.
2nd as i mentioned, win for taliban but for koreans, i doubt the internation percussions and favours used in securing the release would be a win not to mention they don't really gain anything other than the tourists back.
3rd even if the koreans come out as a win totalling perhaps the joy of the families and such, theres still a distinct possibility the same terrorists released will be used to will mastermind attacks on korea. or the released terroist attacking other places and korea being blamed for their release. -
Why would you want the Talibans to win?Originally posted by Icemoon:It is win-win for the Koreans and Talibans.The worst attack on civilians came in summer of 1998 when the Taliban swept north from Herat to the predominantly Hazara and Uzbek city of Mazar-i-Sharif, the largest city in the north. Entering at 10 am on 8 August 1998, for the next two days the Taliban drove their pickup trucks "up and down the narrow streets of Mazar-i-Sharif shooting to the left and right and killing everything that moved -- shop owners, cart pullers, women and children shoppers and even goats and donkeys." More than 8000 noncombatants were reported killed in Mazar-i-Sharif and later in Bamiyan. Contrary to the injunctions of Islam, which demands immediate burial, the Taliban forbade anyone to bury the corpses for the first six days while they rotted in the summer heat and were eaten by dogs. In addition to this indiscriminate slaughter, the Taliban sought out and massacred members of the Hazara, a mostly Shia ethnic group, while in control of Mazar.
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lol... y r those koreans in afganistan in the first place???
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In the return of 12 koreans are we going to advocate giving in to a terrorist unit who has no qualms about killing anyone? Who is to guarantee they will not try it again in the future?
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if you don't help them, why will you expect them to help you?Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:Why would you want the Talibans to win?
this is not any hijacking incident where you can send SOF to storm the plane. -
then too bad lor. the hostages die. Korea will be in tears.Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:In the return of 12 koreans are we going to advocate giving in to a terrorist unit who has no qualms about killing anyone? Who is to guarantee they will not try it again in the future? -
Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:
IF they have the chance.
Right now, if they give in to the Taliban, it would be an invitation for the Taliban to repeat the same acts over and over again. Why? Because the Taliban knows that they [b]WILL get what they want in future. They will do what they need to do.[/b]
Notice South Korea already banned her citizens from entering the lion's den liao. -
Since the hostages may die anyway, why not risk a all-out strike to retrieve them?
Chaos will always allow some to getaway. What we need is HUMINT on the ground. The Korean government has to show that it means business and send their forces in. Liberal ROE. These retards only understand bullets heading for their heads.
I can safely say that as the days go by, the hostages will be killed anyway. What then ? -
i hope the incident will be so bad that Emo South Koreans will go on a rampage. And do mass enlist into the army n sent to Afghan.
Because the country sure as hell wont give in to the demands of terrorists. Somemore u take innocent civilians hostage , executing them one by one.. how could anyone..or any country negotiate with terrorists.
U know how emo koreans are... they are super emo. -
.. like Son Tay?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Since the hostages may die anyway, why not risk a all-out strike to retrieve them?
Chaos will always allow some to getaway. What we need is HUMINT on the ground. The Korean government has to show that it means business and send their forces in. Liberal ROE. These retards only understand bullets heading for their heads.
I can safely say that as the days go by, the hostages will be killed anyway. What then ?
I advocate for a strike too. Show them business. But then don't make a blunder lah. Or else hostages die, commandos also die. -
And they will probaby continue killing the rest of the guys one by one.While waiting for that, those young girls might be forced to marry some of the 'Mr Lonely' Taliban fighters.This doesnt look good at all for the Koreans so they should go fro broke and bomb the living daylights out of the Terrorists.Originally posted by casvel:So far 2 males. They havent touch females yet