Odex Seeking Compensation From Anime Downloaders
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Wtf... SMSOriginally posted by ditzy:Oh, that short story is about some girl and her gundam has to go somewhere in distant space to fight baddies, and the only way to communicate with her so called bf on earth is by sms, and the further she goes, the longer it takes to send and recieve an sms reply, i think it was like 9 years or something.
Silly storyline if i must say... 9 years, hell that's a real long distance relationship... -
I think they hyperspaced again to go catch somemore baddies just before the end of the show and then it became like 18 years.Originally posted by wonderamazement:Wtf... SMS Silly storyline if i must say... 9 years, hell that's a real long distance relationship... -
Legally, it's not blackmail. However, it's extortion.Originally posted by hisoka:as far as i can see they did not openly blackmail at least in legal terms. -
Utterly stupid...Originally posted by ditzy:I think they hyperspaced again to go catch somemore baddies just before the end of the show and then it became like 18 years. -
Cos SG kiasee... see letter pay liao... then they know mah...Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Well... so far none has been hauled to court for not paying... so nothing has exploded. Till someone is hauled to court for not paying because of this factor, I don't even think the relevant authorities will step in.
But I guess they would not bring you to court but send your details to the other anime owners and see whether they want to take action or not... -
If other owners want to take action... it might become an international case... perhaps not, because the case will really drag. They lose millions if they are going to try.Originally posted by caleb_chiang:Cos SG kiasee... see letter pay liao... then they know mah...
But I guess they would not bring you to court but send your details to the other anime owners and see whether they want to take action or not... -
i dun wana type the article out
i dun wana
sry
i give up
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Oct 30, 2007
High Court allows Odex to submit new evidence in appeal
By Chua Hian Hou
THE HIGH COURT has agreed to let anime distributor Odex submit new evidence in its appeal against a lower court decision denying it access to details of alleged anime downloaders.
The new evidence comes in the form of three affidavits.
They are from tracking service BayTSP, Odex director Peter Go, and Dr Toh See Kiat, the president of the Anti-Video Piracy Association of Singapore, and a former president of the Consumer Association of Singapore.
It is not known what the affidavits contain or why they were allowed, since the hearing was held in chambers on Tuesday and not open to the public. Such hearings are typically closed door affairs.
While it is hard to say what Mr Go or Dr Toh's affidavits contain, the BayTSP affidavit will probably include details of how the alleged downloaders were discovered.
The earlier judge, District Judge Ernest Lau, had noted in his judgement that the onus should be on BayTSP to explain how the alleged downloaders were tracked, not Odex.
Earlier this year, Odex, which distributes anime here, sent letters demanding settlement sums of between $3,000 and $5,000 to several hundred people it alleged were downloading pirated anime.
It had successfully obtained court orders to get the names of downloaders from SingNet and StarHub.
In August though, district judge Ernest Lau turned down Odex's request for a court order to obtain the names of similar alleged downloaders from PacNet.
A date for the hearing and a decision has not yet been set.
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The new evidence comes in the form of three affidavits.
How fair will this trial be?
They are from tracking service BayTSP, Odex director Peter Go, and Dr Toh See Kiat, the president of the Anti-Video Piracy Association of Singapore, and a former president of the Consumer Association of Singapore.
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He still not giving up ah...Originally posted by ^tamago^:Oct 30, 2007
High Court allows Odex to submit new evidence in appeal -
Odex just won't quit
Company allowed to present evidence to obtain identities of downloaders
TODAYonline
Wednesday • October 31, 2007
Zul Othman
[email protected]
ANIME distributor Odex is not letting up in its quest to bring illegal anime downloaders to book.
At a closed-door hearing yesterday in the High Court, Justice Woo Bih Li allowed Odex to present further evidence to obtain the identities of Pacific Internet subscribers who had unlawfully downloaded anime.
The company's application to access about 1,000 names had stalled two months ago when District Judge Ernest Lau ruled that Odex was only a sub-licensee for anime titles and had no right of civil action.
But in its appeal against the ruling, Odex has been allowed to present evidence to address the points raised by Judge Lau, for example, pertaining to the reliability of the tracking solution provided by Silicon Valley-based Internet investigators Bay-TSP and whether the company was in fact engaged by Odex to undertake such investigations.
Since May, Odex has been cracking down on illegal downloaders and was successful in getting court orders to reveal the identities of culprits who subscribe to two other Internet service providers, SingNet and StarHub.
Odex director Peter Go declined to reveal any information about the new evidence, as the matter will be heard again in court. No date has been set for the next hearing. -
maybe they will be the talk of the town again next year.Originally posted by wonderamazement:He still not giving up ah...
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Justice Woo? That judge is like some opposing force. When someone goes yes, he will go no. Since Judge Lau has already given a no, he most likely will give a yes to ODEX.
Don't need fight liao... can start saving money now... -
Is Bay-TSP legally allowed to collect info on internet users?
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No idea. But then again, Singapore has no such laws on it.
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singapore has no privacy laws so i'm guessing yes unless how they did it involves some sort of hacking etc.Originally posted by wonderamazement:Is Bay-TSP legally allowed to collect info on internet users?
and even if it wa illegal, i think singapore do not have laws outlawing the use of info obtained illegally -
No privacy laws doesn't mean can hack. The moment they use tools to crack a PC, BayTSP evidence will not stand, because it would be viewed as the evidence has been altered in some ways. And BayTSP may have to face the Computer Misuse Act in Singapore.Originally posted by hisoka:singapore has no privacy laws so i'm guessing yes unless how they did it involves some sort of hacking etc.
and even if it wa illegal, i think singapore do not have laws outlawing the use of info obtained illegally
If they had collected the information passively, just by sniffing or whatever methods, this evidence will stand. Provided they have a log of sorts to prove that it is the real traffic, not some dummy traffic they have generated. -
yupz, unless they did it in a way that can be construed as hacking lor.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:No privacy laws doesn't mean can hack. The moment they use tools to crack a PC, BayTSP evidence will not stand, because it would be viewed as the evidence has been altered in some ways. And BayTSP may have to face the Computer Misuse Act in Singapore.
If they had collected the information passively, just by sniffing or whatever methods, this evidence will stand. Provided they have a log of sorts to prove that it is the real traffic, not some dummy traffic they have generated.
and even then, the evidence is still valid. how believeable is another issue and is up to them to convince the judge. actually i feel the judges are probably not adequate enough to judge in this instance given they probably don't know alot about such stuff......... -
Whether or not this evidence is usable, is not a problem... I have no confidence in this judge... he is just so extra.Originally posted by hisoka:yupz, unless they did it in a way that can be construed as hacking lor.
and even then, the evidence is still valid. how believeable is another issue and is up to them to convince the judge. actually i feel the judges are probably not adequate enough to judge in this instance given they probably don't know alot about such stuff.........
Black turns white, white turns black for nearly every case that is handled by him that I read on papers.
ODEX luck could be changing, unless Pacnet lawyers can think of better ways to whack ODEX.
The licensing issue might not be as strong now, because this judge is asking for technical evidence. That means Pacnet will have to counter using technical evidence as well, other than the licensing issue. -
he didn't ask for it, he merely allowed it. probably as an answer to previious doubts. because the issue can be turned around by multiple issues including the licensing and how accurate is the method that implies the info should be given.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Whether or not this evidence is usable, is not a problem... I have no confidence in this judge... he is just so extra.
Black turns white, white turns black for nearly every case that is handled by him that I read on papers.
ODEX luck could be changing, unless Pacnet lawyers can think of better ways to whack ODEX.
The licensing issue might not be as strong now, because this judge is asking for technical evidence. That means Pacnet will have to counter using technical evidence as well, other than the licensing issue.
no idea about the judge though. oh well, if what you say is true, then can only hope for the best -
Perhaps...Originally posted by hisoka:he didn't ask for it, he merely allowed it. probably as an answer to previious doubts. because the issue can be turned around by multiple issues including the licensing and how accurate is the method that implies the info should be given.
no idea about the judge though. oh well, if what you say is true, then can only hope for the best
As for the judge... it's just my personal opinion... don't like him anyway... so just take it with a pinch of salt. -
Kena this judge means hong gan liao la.. a lot of feedback from the legal circle, negative negative negative.
hope and keep fingers crossed... if Odex really fail at this appeal, I am pretty sure the legal bills will kill them off -
damn ODEX. Stop trying already. just fucking accept the fact that people will still dl animes even if u enforce the law.
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I think ODEX got some pretty strong links with the people in power.. lesser companies would have known to back down after all the bad press generated already....
For them to be willing to take it this far even though the earlier judge has shown that they have over-stepped their authority..
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And the govt not doing anything about it... So many laws covering so many areas except this...Originally posted by hisoka:singapore has no privacy laws so i'm guessing yes unless how they did it involves some sort of hacking etc.
and even if it wa illegal, i think singapore do not have laws outlawing the use of info obtained illegally