Money earns u respect
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While fighting for the bigger picture,now or 50 years later,what does it matter?Originally posted by BadzMaro:I totally agree with u in terms of money , power and women are men's greatest weakness. I do not say u are wrong , but unfortunately we live in a world where the monetory system is pretty plays a universal role in our daily lives and have been for centuries.unltil u abolish that , and follow the trekkie way of no-monetary system and world peace , it's not gonna happen.
We all have pride , but it depends how strongly u hold on to your pride. Your pride to resist all forms of help in the face of death will surely mean stupidity if u do no value ur own life over pride. No matter how u look at it , there will be the good and the bad. So in the end , the most rich , power can still earn the respect when he uses his richness , power for good , accompanied by a woman who loves him not for his money but you and to also help those in need through you.
In the end u will talk about how all these things come down to one thing. The morality of the persons... to be either selfless or selfish. Like all great conquerers too , they seek not money but for thier own. Thier own kind. Tell me to date , which war was not fought for the countries own selfishness. But is killing another person justifiable ? Self defence ? for the greater good ?
Did hitler not see his own anglo-saxon peaople as the Master race ? His ideals may be respectable but in the end he just lost it. Lost the plot. Hitler may have rallied his people under his banner , but for what ? In the end its still for his own people over the deaths of millions.His country has no room for error , unfortunately , he made an error. His pride accompanied by drugs further deluded himself from the rest of his generals.
we all die anyway so why sell one's pride just to keep death waiting?
If the killing of traids,yakuza,silicia mafia for a better place for every individual to experience happiness is needed,then yes,i'm prepared to do so.
Infact,i'm prepared and eager for it.
I do not want to depend on money to change the world because when one day the system is no longer able to keep evil human nature at bay,the downfall of society will begin.
Because the only way a world can be perfect is to eradicate impure human standards with zealots holding similar idealogy.
The day a utopia materialise is the day where even the good and evil fears the blade that torment the both extreme.
Hence,from that day onwards,there will no longer be an extreme ends of right and left. -
I neber see the thread lah, can post again? PleaseOriginally posted by boka:POSTED before
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Why not Belial? He is afterall the Lord of PrideOriginally posted by boka:Pride has no ground,no weakness.
It is neutral.
It is a beast that does not fall prey to the outside.
Tame it and it serve u well.
I use pride to gurad my morals and principle.
Till this day,i have never comprimise on my morals.
money is merely for humans who seeks to acheive contructed respect whereas pride give one an inate desire for the greater without the dependance for money.
As pride coarse through your veins,i hungers u for the greater.
Be it for the cause of good or evil,it serve their individual master to the utmost.
I do not see belial as my hero nor do i respect him.
Achillies yes but not belial.
The focus is on the pride that resides within belial.
Like what i've said,pride serve it's respective master to the very end.
Money is just a tool and only people with low self-esteem think that money = respect. Money likewise is a good slave if one knows how to use it properly.
Anyway all the heros you talk about need to worry about money
Without money they cannot conqure or go to war
You don't suppose Hitler's gas chambers, bombs, planes, uniforms etc fell from the sky do you? -
Pride is a good thing to have, but too much of it is no good.Originally posted by boka:I do not see belial as my hero nor do i respect him.
Achillies yes but not belial.
The focus is on the pride that resides within belial.
Like what i've said,pride serve it's respective master to the very end.
Look at Achilles, he died because he was too proud. -
Death to him is a lifestyle.Originally posted by stellazio:Pride is a good thing to have, but too much of it is no good.
Look at Achilles, he died because he was too proud.
It was a norm to him.
His only desire was to have his name inked. -
Maybe being alive to do more good and actually see through that the bigger picture of yours if fullfilled ?Originally posted by boka:While fighting for the bigger picture,now or 50 years later,what does it matter?
we all die anyway so why sell one's pride just to keep death waiting?
Accepting help is not about selling your pride. There is a time for pride and there is a time to be humble and accept the hand of salvation. In the end you still die with the end of your pride so what purpose does it make ?
If i offer u my hand just to have u kiss my feet , u can stay with the lions in the den n be eaten because of your pride , i have nothing to say. Fair enough. Or kiss my feet and be alive to fight another day is not a bad idea right ? Only by being alive can u change the world and still have a purpose. And having humility. -
Btw your hero Achilles suffered from Hubris ok
Just look at the way he treated Hector's corpse
And do you know that Hubris was a crime in classical Athens -
Erm getting out of point aren't you?Originally posted by boka:Death to him is a lifestyle.
It was a norm to him.
His only desire was to have his name inked. -
money is just another form of commodity.. unless you mean to have no trade, money will always be ppresent. just in different forms, be it barter or whatever
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flip through the books and he will understand.Originally posted by stellazio:Erm getting out of point aren't you?
He does not care about dying nor was he afraid.
There was one line i read and it says something about death comes to all and if earlier,my challenge to accomplish more will be tougher.
if death comes to him earlier,then he has to fight harder for glory. -
The priest of his time were very particular about giving the dead a proper ritual,3 coins for them to cross the river styx.Originally posted by elindra:Btw your hero Achilles suffered from Hubris ok
Just look at the way he treated Hector's corpse
And do you know that Hubris was a crime in classical Athens
But as ages said,he has no fear for the gods nor king so why would he not commit hubris? -
In the end of the day... ur Achilles is still a myth. A Story.
I am sure there are many people who died with their pride. thier names lost , unheard of and forgotten. Not to mention many of those stories of pride was the reason of their downfall. And instead of learning of their pride , we learn of their downfall that is all because of their pride. -
and what has this gotta do with pride now? thats why i said you're totally deluded.Originally posted by boka:flip through the books and he will understand.
He does not care about dying nor was he afraid.
There was one line i read and it says something about death comes to all and if earlier,my challenge to accomplish more will be tougher.
if death comes to him earlier,then he has to fight harder for glory. -
ooi, boka, where ish your peekture?
I see keii so yandao I wanna see your even more yandao pic leh
esp since someone who saw your pic say you actually uglier than me even leh -
i'm better than keii.Originally posted by av98m:ooi, boka, where ish your peekture?
I see keii so yandao I wanna see your even more yandao pic leh
esp since someone who saw your pic say you actually uglier than me even leh
fine lie if u want to,doesn't matter now. -
If u do not want to rely on money is your choice. You and i may have difference in methods of changing the world but at this current era of time , i see it as one of the tools to do it. Depending on the country too.Originally posted by boka:If the killing of traids,yakuza,silicia mafia for a better place for every individual to experience happiness is needed,then yes,i'm prepared to do so.
Infact,i'm prepared and eager for it.
I do not want to depend on money to change the world because when one day the system is no longer able to keep evil human nature at bay,the downfall of society will begin.
Because the only way a world can be perfect is to eradicate impure human standards with zealots holding similar idealogy.
The day a utopia materialise is the day where even the good and evil fears the blade that torment the both extreme.
Hence,from that day onwards,there will no longer be an extreme ends of right and left.
Then finding like-minded people is the only way for you. And i hope your operations can be funded with just bare hands and pocket knives. Then you are pretty much looking at vigilante justice. But without the peoples support u may just be a common crook and criminal.
Ur extremism will just breed a new kind of freedom fighters. -
So you agree that he committed hubris to shame the victim, thereby making himself seem superior, coz in ancient Greece, that is the exact meaning of the act that AchillesÂ’ committedOriginally posted by boka:The priest of his time were very particular about giving the dead a proper ritual,3 coins for them to cross the river styx.
But as ages said,he has no fear for the gods nor king so why would he not commit hubris?
By doing so he is committing a sin
Be it during the laws of that time or to the bible, and by doing that it is no longer having pride in one's work, having a strong sense of self-respect, a refusal to be humiliated.
It is already pure arrogance which leads back to my initial quote of "Pride goes before a fall" -
Originally posted by BadzMaro:Ur extremism will just breed a new kind of freedom fighters.
I told someone else earlier that this whole thing reeks of the Al Qaeda -
I do not trust the humans law or bible most of the time due to the standards which they set.Originally posted by elindra:So you agree that he committed hubris to shame the victim, thereby making himself seem superior, coz in ancient Greece, that is the exact meaning of the act that AchillesÂ’ committed
By doing so he is committing a sin
Be it during the laws of that time or to the bible, and by doing that it is no longer having pride in one's work, having a strong sense of self-respect, a refusal to be humiliated.
It is already pure arrogance which leads back to my initial quote of "Pride goes before a fall"
To me,it's "playing with food/trohpy" -
I donch believe chiuOriginally posted by boka:i'm better than keii.
fine lie if u want to,doesn't matter now.
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Even in this present time, hubris = excessive pride or self-confidence; arrogance.Originally posted by boka:I do not trust the humans law or bible most of the time due to the standards which they set.
To me,it's "playing with food/trohpy"
Though it is no longer a crime -
Originally posted by boka:I do not trust the humans law or bible most of the time due to the standards which they set.
To me,it's "playing with food/trohpy" -
*yawn* *pokes elindra*Originally posted by elindra:
I told someone else earlier that this whole thing reeks of the Al Qaeda
there are times to discuss and exchange views with people of great knowledge , calibre and/or people that accepts anothers views in consideration to share and absorb and debate.
and those that are deluded and gearing towards extremism. For instance , someone with great pride. or maybe EXTREME pride . -
If money is needed to ensure social order,then surely,one can expect the very issues it was trying to curb erupt when that monetary system falls.Originally posted by BadzMaro:If u do not want to rely on money is your choice. You and i may have difference in methods of changing the world but at this current era of time , i see it as one of the tools to do it. Depending on the country too.
Then finding like-minded people is the only way for you. And i hope your operations can be funded with just bare hands and pocket knives. Then you are pretty much looking at vigilante justice. But without the peoples support u may just be a common crook and criminal.
Ur extremism will just breed a new kind of freedom fighters.
I'm not supportive of communism,neither am i for capitalist.
capitalism has too much loop holes and manipulative traits.
It creates a very artificial enviroment that humans are to work for the economy.
What happened to our 'nature state' of everything?
Why are there borders?
the world do not belong to anyone,it is only when weak minded humans accept the authority of 'leaders' that this happen.
Humans have created a social system and hardwired it into the society.
That is why we have people who thinks money are the most important,education are of piority.
They don't seem to realise that all these are fasle because they were not meant to be.
It is a very artificial constructed system made.
The world social order has made life into a game.
money are like points in a game and the more u acheive the 'better'.
What happened to TRUE happpiness and that sort?
I doubt many will understand,if u do then good. -
Don't worry Boka, if you fall. I shall REMEMBER the name.
that is if the orbituary section places it as boka/baka whatever.
And also to quote achilles slightly " this is boka, the fool who thought he could follow achilles"