Why do Muslims hate the Jews and bomb everyone?
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sensitive topic, but In the Bible, Jesus turned water into wine. But then Chuck Norris turned that wine into beer.
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If you have no knowledge of Islam, then jolly well shut up.
For your info, some websites are being created to mislead the others about Islam. -
The directive of the Jihad given to Muslims in Qur'an is:[6]Originally posted by Master -_-:I am seriously quoting u now and unless, you can show me personally from the Holy Quran whereby there's a text or passage that stated what you claimed, i will make sure i will bring this seriously up to uphold my religion from this blasphemy that you claimed.
And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight against you and do not transgress bounds [in this fighting]. God does not love the transgressors. Kill them wherever you find them and drive them out [of the place] from which they drove you out and [remember] persecution is worse than carnage. But do not initiate war with them near the Holy Kabah unless they attack you there. But if they attack you, put them to the sword [without any hesitation]. Thus shall such disbelievers be rewarded. However, if they desist [from this disbelief], Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. Keep fighting against them, until persecution does not remain and AllahÂ’s religion reigns supreme. But if they mend their ways, then [you should know that] an offensive is only allowed against the evil-doers. A sacred month for a sacred month; [similarly] other sacred things too are subject to retaliation. So if any one transgresses against you, you should also pay back in equal coins. Have fear of Allah and [keep in mind that] Allah is with those who remain within the bounds [stipulated by religion].
i got this off wiki. -
Serious arh? Maybe some people with misconceptions about Islam created those websites.Originally posted by chillz88:For your info, some websites are being created to mislead the others about Islam.
Actually I also din know much about Islam. Most of my knowledge come from the news, where many are about Muslim terrorists, terrorists attacks...
In this sense, many neutrals may develop negative impressions of Islam(maybe not in Singapore context as we are a peaceful multi-racial society). -
Originally posted by DjMatrix:sensitive topic, but In the Bible, Jesus turned water into wine. But then Chuck Norris turned that wine into beer.
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Jihad is not to be confused with killing people or suicide for the matter. Take it to consideration dat suicide is strictly forbidden in Islam. Those martyrs dat Osama or whoever they refer to has no place but hell. Jihad has been regretably abused by both d extremist and non muslims who knows nothing about Islam.
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Forumer master, pls reply to the post.Originally posted by gUms:The directive of the Jihad given to Muslims in Qur'an is:[6]
And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight against you and do not transgress bounds [in this fighting]. God does not love the transgressors. Kill them wherever you find them and drive them out [of the place] from which they drove you out and [remember] persecution is worse than carnage. But do not initiate war with them near the Holy Kabah unless they attack you there. But if they attack you, put them to the sword [without any hesitation]. Thus shall such disbelievers be rewarded. However, if they desist [from this disbelief], Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. Keep fighting against them, until persecution does not remain and AllahÂ’s religion reigns supreme. But if they mend their ways, then [you should know that] an offensive is only allowed against the evil-doers. A sacred month for a sacred month; [similarly] other sacred things too are subject to retaliation. So if any one transgresses against you, you should also pay back in equal coins. Have fear of Allah and [keep in mind that] Allah is with those who remain within the bounds [stipulated by religion].
i got this off wiki. -
There is actually a list of sites blacklisted by MUIS and many Muslim bodies. These people are trying to create trouble worldwide.Originally posted by Spartans:Serious arh? Maybe some people with misconceptions about Islam created those websites.
Actually I also din know much about Islam. Most of my knowledge come from the news, where many are about Muslim terrorists, terrorists attacks...
In this sense, many neutrals may develop negative impressions of Islam(maybe not in Singapore context as we are a peaceful multi-racial society).
Don't call them Muslim terrorists. They are not Muslims. In Islam, if you kill someone, its like killing ALL other Muslims around the world. It's a massive sin. -
Haha I admitted that I confused with the term 'jihad'. Mainly because whenever there are terrorists attacks or Muslims riots, the news used the term 'jihad'. For example, in Indonesian Muslim protest, the protesters always said "wage jihad against USA, Israel etc."Originally posted by Deino:Jihad is not to be confused with killing people or suicide for the matter. Take it to consideration dat suicide is strictly forbidden in Islam. Those martyrs dat Osama or whoever they refer to has no place but hell. Jihad has been regretably abused by both d extremist and non muslims who knows nothing about Islam.
This give people the impression that 'jihad is holy war against enemies and non-believers of Islam." -
Agree. These extremists don't even pray 5 times a day. How to be muslims?Originally posted by Deino:Jihad is not to be confused with killing people or suicide for the matter. Take it to consideration dat suicide is strictly forbidden in Islam. Those martyrs dat Osama or whoever they refer to has no place but hell. Jihad has been regretably abused by both d extremist and non muslims who knows nothing about Islam. -
wey wey, can people stop pulling in terrorists or extremeist, for that matter, into this issue.
My question is this: does people who believe in Islam have any laws to follow or obey? Or are these laws subjected to intepretations of the Qur'an -
yep, i believe that they're only muslims in name trying to justify their actions with the jihad to create unrest among the people.Originally posted by chillz88:Agree. These extremists don't even pray 5 times a day. How to be muslims? -
I think jihad in islam means internal struggle...?
meaning... a war with temptations... lust... sin..etc? -
Yes , its called lesser jihad .Originally posted by mhcampboy:I think jihad in islam means internal struggle...?
meaning... a war with temptations... lust... sin..etc?
Anyways , In olden days , laws were under religion.
In this modern day , If you wan to live on this earth , u got to follow , The law of earth , regardless of race , language of religion .
You wan to be on this earth , U dont kill , hurt , curse , or do any other bad things to any other human (You are not to hurt another person , even if they are in the wrong , Have respect for the law , and the law will help you) be a good person to others and yourself , and when u leave this earth the doors of heaven will open for u .
As for osama and de sissy boys of al-qeada , they are just using the name of god for their own fight. . . . To me this ppl are not muslim nor are they human , they are Satans. -
The man did have a pathological hatred of jews and slavics for some obscene reason. That aside, he used the latent racism and nationalistic factor to rouse the people up. Jews, Slavs, and what not, and the fact that many regarded the Treaty of Versailles as illegitimate, were sure winners with the people.Originally posted by Othello_Red:Technically, while anti-semitism was prevalent during that era, Hitler took up anti-semitism because it was a convinient excuse for the uprising of his party.
If I'm not mistaken, the Jews were the ones with lots of influence and money while the Germans then were not as well off due to the war (WW1) So Hitler went along the lines of blaming them (Jews) for all the suffering of the people. He sort of used them as a rallying point. -
A high tide means Chuck Norris is flying over your coast. The tide is caused by God pissing his pants.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:The man did have a pathological hatred of jews and slavics for some obscene reason. That aside, he used the latent racism and nationalistic factor to rouse the people up. Jews, Slavs, and what not, and the fact that many regarded the Treaty of Versailles as illegitimate, were sure winners with the people. -
nono, i think their theory is that if they win the "holy war" but die, they can go heaven. Thus suicide mission comes into the scene due to this.Originally posted by gUms:Yes , its called lesser jihad .
Anyways , In olden days , laws were under religion.
In this modern day , If you wan to live on this earth , u got to follow , The law of earth , regardless of race , language of religion .
You wan to be on this earth , U dont kill , hurt , curse , or do any other bad things to any other human (You are not to hurt another person , even if they are in the wrong , Have respect for the law , and the law will help you) be a good person to others and yourself , and when u leave this earth the doors of heaven will open for u .
As for osama and de sissy boys of al-qeada , they are just using the name of god for their own fight. . . . To me this ppl are not muslim nor are they human , they are Satans. -
Just what has anything I posted got to do with this necrotic moron?Originally posted by DjMatrix:A high tide means Chuck Norris is flying over your coast. The tide is caused by God pissing his pants. -
i think holy war only exist during muhammads time?Originally posted by davidche:nono, i think their theory is that if they win the "holy war" but die, they can go heaven. Thus suicide mission comes into the scene due to this. -
The jews scapegoat for all the bad things(in general). This hatred of the jews unifys the people of germany together.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:The man did have a pathological hatred of jews and slavics for some obscene reason. That aside, he used the latent racism and nationalistic factor to rouse the people up. Jews, Slavs, and what not, and the fact that many regarded the Treaty of Versailles as illegitimate, were sure winners with the people. -
I always knew one day something like this will reach Singapore...Originally posted by gUms:The directive of the Jihad given to Muslims in Qur'an is:[6]
And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight against you and do not transgress bounds [in this fighting]. God does not love the transgressors. Kill them wherever you find them and drive them out [of the place] from which they drove you out and [remember] persecution is worse than carnage. But do not initiate war with them near the Holy Kabah unless they attack you there. But if they attack you, put them to the sword [without any hesitation]. Thus shall such disbelievers be rewarded. However, if they desist [from this disbelief], Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. Keep fighting against them, until persecution does not remain and AllahÂ’s religion reigns supreme. But if they mend their ways, then [you should know that] an offensive is only allowed against the evil-doers. A sacred month for a sacred month; [similarly] other sacred things too are subject to retaliation. So if any one transgresses against you, you should also pay back in equal coins. Have fear of Allah and [keep in mind that] Allah is with those who remain within the bounds [stipulated by religion].
i got this off wiki.
Well, 1st things 1st...
http://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/noframes/ch6.html
This is Surah 6 from The Quran...
you try ctrl+f the word "war" or "fight" and see if you can find them...
2nd, Don't get quotation of the quran from wiki or any other site without refering to the Quran itself 1st. Coz there is a high chance it is worng.
3rd, Don't try to pick out single verses from the Surah alone. That is putting the verse out of context.
e.g. of a verse out of context...
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=256400 -
yes i do know this which is why i "" the word.Originally posted by mhcampboy:i think holy war only exist during muhammads time?
But thats just the principle. And im not sure about the whole thing myself. -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Thailand_insurgencyOriginally posted by thehappybunny:Why ah?
Everyday read of Taleban or Southern Thailand Muslim bomb bomb bomb.
bomb so much still no shiok ah?
why muslim hate the jews? why must give israel hard time?
is it the Qu'ran teach bad thing?
Cause of the South Thailand incident
That incident is a real Rojak case...
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Of course, when it is from me, you are offended, but not when a fellow believer desecrate your faith.Originally posted by cApitaland:mancha may I question where you get your sources?
I am not particularly religious but I'm offended when my religion is being portrayed negatively.
I am at a disadvantage here, as I am threading on dangerous ground. What I post, is my own personal convictions, from various sources, mostly from newspapers, TV news, internet, magazines, books and my own eyes.
Basically they are my own observation, and I am expressing my dissapointment with Islam more than anything else.
Separating it from divinity will make sense to me of the actions of Muslims around the world.
Arabic is an ambigious language. Even native Arabic speakers are confounded sometimes.
The term Allah derived from a pagan term refering to the moon god in days before Islam.
I distinctly remember seeing the verse to kill Jews and Christians, but I can't locate it now.
Here are some verses from the Quran which I found. These are of course, selective, but together with other verses in the entire book, they could become potent, to someone indoctrinated and stripped of his humanity.
Bear in mind these are translation by scholars who are known to tone down the expressions used.
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YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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YUSUFALI: Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
PICKTHAL: Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain.
SHAKIR: So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.
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YUSUFALI: They have "Obedience" on their lips; but when they leave thee, a section of them Meditate all night on things very different from what thou tellest them. But Allah records their nightly (plots): So keep clear of them, and put thy trust in Allah, and enough is Allah as a disposer of affairs.
PICKTHAL: And they say: (It is) obedience; but when they have gone forth from thee a party of them spend the night in planning other than what thou sayest. Allah recordeth what they plan by night. So oppose them and put thy trust in Allah. Allah is sufficient as Trustee.
SHAKIR: And they say: Obedience. But when they go out from your presence, a party of them decide by night upon doing otherwise than what you say; and Allah writes down what they decide by night, therefore turn aside from them and trust in Allah, and Allah is sufficient as a protector.
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YUSUFALI: Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.
PICKTHAL: Will they not then ponder on the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity.
SHAKIR: Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.
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YUSUFALI: As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.
PICKTHAL: As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.
SHAKIR: Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, will not believe.
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Rightly or wrong, what I say are my own sentiments.
No further discussion on it will be carried out by me. -
Originally posted by mancha:Of course, when it is from me, you are offended, but not when a fellow believer desecrate your faith.
I am at a disadvantage here, as I am threading on dangerous ground. What I post, is my own personal convictions, from various sources, mostly from newspapers, TV news, internet, magazines, books and my own eyes.
Basically they are my own observation, and I am expressing my dissapointment with Islam more than anything else.
Separating it from divinity will make sense to me of the actions of Muslims around the world.
Arabic is an ambigious language. Even native Arabic speakers are confounded sometimes.
The term Allah derived from a pagan term refering to the moon god in days before Islam.
I distinctly remember seeing the verse to kill Jews and Christians, but I can't locate it now.
Here are some verses from the Quran which I found. These are of course, selective, but together with other verses in the entire book, they could become potent, to someone indoctrinated and stripped of his humanity.
Bear in mind these are translation by scholars who are known to tone down the expressions used.
009.005
YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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YUSUFALI: Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
PICKTHAL: Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain.
SHAKIR: So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.
004.081
YUSUFALI: They have "Obedience" on their lips; but when they leave thee, a section of them Meditate all night on things very different from what thou tellest them. But Allah records their nightly (plots): So keep clear of them, and put thy trust in Allah, and enough is Allah as a disposer of affairs.
PICKTHAL: And they say: (It is) obedience; but when they have gone forth from thee a party of them spend the night in planning other than what thou sayest. Allah recordeth what they plan by night. So oppose them and put thy trust in Allah. Allah is sufficient as Trustee.
SHAKIR: And they say: Obedience. But when they go out from your presence, a party of them decide by night upon doing otherwise than what you say; and Allah writes down what they decide by night, therefore turn aside from them and trust in Allah, and Allah is sufficient as a protector.
004.082
YUSUFALI: Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.
PICKTHAL: Will they not then ponder on the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity.
SHAKIR: Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.
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YUSUFALI: As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.
PICKTHAL: As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.
SHAKIR: Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, will not believe. __________________________________________
Rightly or wrong, what I say are my own sentiments.
No further discussion on it will be carried out by me.
Another example of stuff you can take out of context...Originally posted by MohamedF:Don't try to pick out single verses from the Surah alone. That is putting the verse out of context.
e.g. of a verse out of context...
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=256400
Bible Matthew 10:34. Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.