Why do Muslims hate the Jews and bomb everyone?
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Matthew 26: 52 "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."Originally posted by MohamedF:Another example of stuff you can take out of context...
Bible Matthew 10:34. Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.
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Nothing... just putting an example that taking single verses without reading the full chapter is stupid...Originally posted by mhcampboy:Matthew 26: 52 "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."
But why you bringing christianity into this topic?
Its like saying Harry Potter killed a teacher in the last few chapter of the Philosopher Stone.... -
Show me the proof.Originally posted by trendz:In the Quran, Prophet Mohamed said along these lines 'kill all non-muslims. the whole world must be of one religion - islam.' just that no muslims wanna admit.
If not, someone in this forum in going to send this to the police and charge u for sedition -
Getting my warrant card soon...Originally posted by AMEN567889:Show me the proof.
If not, someone in this forum in going to send this to the police and charge u for sedition
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Hindsight will show you it is impossible to discuss anything in this thread even if you try to do so. Or else risk sounding like a broken record.
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i find that the manchu guy that you quoted isnt exactly quoting just single verses.Originally posted by MohamedF:Nothing... just putting an example that taking single verses without reading the full chapter is stupid...
Its like saying Harry Potter killed a teacher in the last few chapter of the Philosopher Stone....
To add on, out of context can be debated and clarified by simply posting the whole chapter or a longer context instead. Can you do that?
Just to quote for you
Of course, when it is from me, you are offended, but not when a fellow believer desecrate your faith.
I am at a disadvantage here, as I am threading on dangerous ground. What I post, is my own personal convictions, from various sources, mostly from newspapers, TV news, internet, magazines, books and my own eyes.
Basically they are my own observation, and I am expressing my dissapointment with Islam more than anything else.
Separating it from divinity will make sense to me of the actions of Muslims around the world.
Arabic is an ambigious language. Even native Arabic speakers are confounded sometimes.
The term Allah derived from a pagan term refering to the moon god in days before Islam.
I distinctly remember seeing the verse to kill Jews and Christians, but I can't locate it now.
Here are some verses from the Quran which I found. These are of course, selective, but together with other verses in the entire book, they could become potent, to someone indoctrinated and stripped of his humanity.
Bear in mind these are translation by scholars who are known to tone down the expressions used.
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YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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YUSUFALI: Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
PICKTHAL: Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain.
SHAKIR: So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.
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YUSUFALI: They have "Obedience" on their lips; but when they leave thee, a section of them Meditate all night on things very different from what thou tellest them. But Allah records their nightly (plots): So keep clear of them, and put thy trust in Allah, and enough is Allah as a disposer of affairs.
PICKTHAL: And they say: (It is) obedience; but when they have gone forth from thee a party of them spend the night in planning other than what thou sayest. Allah recordeth what they plan by night. So oppose them and put thy trust in Allah. Allah is sufficient as Trustee.
SHAKIR: And they say: Obedience. But when they go out from your presence, a party of them decide by night upon doing otherwise than what you say; and Allah writes down what they decide by night, therefore turn aside from them and trust in Allah, and Allah is sufficient as a protector.
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YUSUFALI: Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.
PICKTHAL: Will they not then ponder on the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity.
SHAKIR: Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.
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YUSUFALI: As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.
PICKTHAL: As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.
SHAKIR: Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, will not believe.
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Rightly or wrong, what I say are my own sentiments.
No further discussion on it will be carried out by me. -
This is the truth..one of u all are right and one of u is wrong..
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Given the phrase"along these lines" its very easy to defend for him.Originally posted by AMEN567889:Show me the proof.
If not, someone in this forum in going to send this to the police and charge u for sedition -
What toking you...? Mancha did quoted single verses...Originally posted by davidche:i find that the manchu guy that you quoted isnt exactly quoting just single verses.
To add on, out of context can be debated and clarified by simply posting the whole chapter or a longer context instead. Can you do that?
Quran [9:5] means Surah 9 Verse 5
He's quoting single verses from multiple Surah...
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=256400
To clarify the context, you can simply go to the quran site and read... I'm too lazy to explain... =.= -
kinda self explanatory isnt it?Originally posted by gUms:The directive of the Jihad given to Muslims in Qur'an is:[6]
And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight against you and do not transgress bounds [in this fighting]. God does not love the transgressors. Kill them wherever you find them and drive them out [of the place] from which they drove you out and [remember] persecution is worse than carnage. But do not initiate war with them near the Holy Kabah unless they attack you there. But if they attack you, put them to the sword [without any hesitation]. Thus shall such disbelievers be rewarded. However, if they desist [from this disbelief], Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. Keep fighting against them, until persecution does not remain and AllahÂ’s religion reigns supreme. But if they mend their ways, then [you should know that] an offensive is only allowed against the evil-doers. A sacred month for a sacred month; [similarly] other sacred things too are subject to retaliation. So if any one transgresses against you, you should also pay back in equal coins. Have fear of Allah and [keep in mind that] Allah is with those who remain within the bounds [stipulated by religion].
i got this off wiki.
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U quote these verses from the net..u quote that verses from the net... please la... Go and borrow the Holy Quran itself and SHOW IT TO ME!
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Lol, yeah man.Originally posted by Master -_-:kinda self explanatory isnt it?
taken off wiki
Wiki cited Quran 4:75 for that, which is not the verse you quoted but another. The correction will be:Originally posted by gUms:i got this off wiki.
The directive of the Jihad given to Muslims in Qur'an is:[6]
And how could you refuse to fight in the cause of God and of the utterly helpless men and women and children who are crying, "O our Sustainer! Lead us forth [to freedom] out of this land whose people are oppressors, and raise for us, out of Thy grace, a protector, and raise for us, out of Thy grace, one who will bring us succour!" -
I think the topic is between the animosity between the jews and muslims that is happening as we speak....
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I've seen many others posting negative remarks about Christianity, Catholicism, and other religions, etc but nothing has been done.Originally posted by AMEN567889:Show me the proof.
If not, someone in this forum in going to send this to the police and charge u for sedition
Double-standards practised here?
Well, we have teenagers arrested for their blabbering of nonsense towards the religion Islam but not for other religions? Why is this so? Why is it only Islam? If it's Taoism, Buddhism, Catholicism, Christianity, the Govt SEEM to brush it off.
Oh, I said '..along these lines..' which means it's not directly quoted. neither is it a form of insult at all. So it's just a plain statement which doesn't breach any laws under the Sedition Acts.
Okay, think about it, the statement which I wrote MAY or MAY NOT be true but incidents happening all over the world - terrorism, extremists, radicals, bombings, killings, homegrown terrorists right in our backyard many of whom are white-collared professionals, mad f*ckers shouting 'Allah..blah blah', shooting of priests, - it suddenly sounds pretty logical, doesn't it? -
Hohoho..looks promising
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Although the bitter relationship has some scripture-based roots.....the current bad modern relationship is affected mainly by territorial/ political conflict.
Namely, Jews from around the world came to Palestine and warred against the native locals, chasing them out. Then they established their own country there.
Because of this land grab, until today there are millions of Palestinian refugees in the neighbouring countries such as Jordan and Syria, and the many Arabs who still stay in that area become second-class citizens in Israel.
Among the rules practiced in Isreal, is that no inter-racial marriage between a Jew and an Arab is allowed. Meanwhile, Jews from all over the world are automatically invited and can become citizens in Israel.
Because of this territorial/ political upheaval, many Arabs feel deep resentment towards Israel and Jews. For Palestinians and many other Arabs, they see themselves as being opressed, and their cause, as a liberation cause.
The world has watched all this with open eyes and has repeatedly issued UN Resolutions, only to have them vetoed again and again by USA.
The main reasoning for the Jews, is that they want to have their own country, they were traumatized after racial targetting by Nazi Europe during WW2, and they bring up their scriptures to pinpoint Israel as their ancestral homeland.
So, after WW2, they go about doing this project. But, the local Arabs have to be the unfortunate victims to fulfill this project for them.
Because of this, I myself personally have negative impression towards Israel.
Even though I am a Catholic, and as a child I read about Jews being 'the chosen race' in my Bible and having positive impression towards Israel, the current modern behaviour of Israel has left me with an ever increasing negative impression.
Meat Pao. -
You should be shot for making such an ignorant statement. The United Nations decreed that the land should be given to the Jews. Besides, the Jews were its original inhabitants. But the Arabs didn't want to give that region to them and attacked them first.Originally posted by Meat Pao:Namely, Jews from around the world came to Palestine and warred against the native locals, chasing them out. Then they established their own country there.
Oh and to clear things up my sister borrowed the Quran from a Muslim friend of hers and read it. It does tell Muslims to kill all non-believers. -
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This is what confused me...Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:You should be shot for making such an ignorant statement. The United Nations decreed that the land should be given to the Jews. Besides, the Jews were its original inhabitants. But the Arabs didn't want to give that region to them and attacked them first.
How can the United Nation have that much power to just give land to a party...?
Shouldn't there be consent from the region 1st before it is allowed?
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I only have a few hrs before going back to camp so post the part which read to kill non-believers.Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:Oh and to clear things up my sister borrowed the Quran from a Muslim friend of hers and read it. It does tell Muslims to kill all non-believers. -
That is totally different. The Jews were kicked out of the land even though they were the original inhabitants of it. The United Nations just gave them back a small portion of what they lost because Jews didn't have their own country, they were spread out over the Middle-East. Guess the Arabs didn't want to share though.Originally posted by MohamedF:This is what confused me...
How can the United Nation have that much power to just give land to a party...?
Shouldn't there be consent from the region 1st before it is allowed?
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Please explain how to copy and paste from a book.Originally posted by MohamedF:I only have a few hrs before going back to camp so post the part which read to kill non-believers. -
Anyway , i have read about the meaning of jihad in many other sites , and also had my muslim friends explain to me ....
why i took it off wiki ???? Cos i didnt wan to type it out , and the content in wiki had the exact same thot as in my head .
So rather den sit down for an hr and explaining jihad in my own words(which will get u guys/girl confuse) i just copy and paste it onto here . . . cheers.
Laughing
anyway guys and girls , dont forget there is two meaning of jihad . . . One is for your everyday life (lust etc) and the other one is going against the belivers , which was used in the olden days . . . but in this modern days , major jihad is not tolerated by our muslim friends even their teachers are against it . . .
The problem with today is , ppl dont judge others as one person . . . just becos of osama , all the good muslims are drag in.
Anyway straight from my heart , muslims of today and defiantly tomorrow , are good and kind ppl , that nv fail to lend a helping hand to others .
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Just type the Suran no. and Verse no. =.=VOriginally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:Please explain how to copy and paste from a book. -
Before I give my stand, please be reminded that I believe in no religion and is purely a middle man. I still believe in "Blasphemy is a victim-less crime."
Anyway, this sort of situation always happen. A few blacksheeps of an organization/religion or whatsoever does something stupid and the blame is pushed to the organization/religion.
So far, I've only found one religion that agrees to chaos. But it's dead now. Most of the religion in Singapore promotes peace. Words from "holy" books (bible, Quran) can be interpreted from many ways, this explains why many can give the excuse "in the name of God".
Some truly believe that their own God wanted to kill those "unclean" people. Some are just abusing the religion as a shield or way to recruit more people into their terrorizing crime. Only the gullible will believe in their crap.
I personally don't like religions (Muslim as well) as at all, they serve man like blinders serve horses, but I hate it when people do not understand about the truth and spread false and DESTRUCTIVE rumors about it.
And to those who are trying to discredit religions because they don't believe what they teach to their followers, please stop your retarded and fcked up actions as others are viewing your religions in the same way.
Respect others and others will respect yours.