Why do Muslims hate the Jews and bomb everyone?
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I feel that it's just the evil in the people themselves, nothing to do with religion. They just need a good reason to be evil, so they claim it's for their gods....
I have many nice Muslim friends, really great people. They are very strong Muslims, and i believe that's what makes them wonderful people... Religion, if followed correctly, will always lead you on right path... So it's the people, not the religion lah...
Imagine you are a nice person, never do anything, then people start referring your religion as a total sh*t... Sure offended right? Just like I'm Christian, brought up to treat people with love, then see some people write 'Christians are hypocrites'... lol.. sure roll eyes. -
Whatever happened to the famous Singlish phrase 'Why you so like dat?' and just to add ,people are simply born to be damn one kind.
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*BaDaBing* *BaDaBang* *BaDaBOOM!*
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Yes there is a verse stated the above, its just a matter of looking it up. regardless of what religion, you are supposed to be kind and treat your brothers and sisters well. Why? the human race was 1st started by Adam and Eve. Eve gave birth and so on so forth. Along the way, few holy books were brought down from heaven to earth. Mind you, the Quran is not the only book we muslims are supposed to read. it is the Quran that is the last and final holy book to be brought down to earth.Originally posted by Kachui:But I thought Islam does not allow its followers to convert to other religions; so if you are born into the religion, you are supposed to be a muslim forever, at least that is what I heard, although I am sure it is possible and easier to leave the Islam religion in non-islamic countries.
I know it is against the law to preach other religions to the muslims in Malaysia.
If you believe in the Quran, you must believe in Bible and Torah, as most of Islamic history is there. what teachings are there in Quran are so called 'modifications' to our modern world. Do you know that back then Muslims had to pray almost about 1000 times? Muhammad PBUH is an avid businessman, prayed to Allah requesting that prayer times could be reduced. and the request was granted. Why? Allah seem it deemed fit because he can foresee that how Muslims around the world are going to survive without any form of business? Allah implement the 5 prayer times a day. and each prayer a Muslim prayed, he or she will get a reward for remembering him.
Anyway, not all pple embrace Islam, Some embrace Christianity and other religions. but it boils down to the same thing. Adam and Eve. We are brothers and sisters, but being brought up in different religious background.
Malaysia and Indonesia esp, they are alot more protective towards Islam because majority of them are Muslims. Only a small group actually believe in equality amongst the religions. must remember, most of them are still living in kampongs and their education system is a bit slow. yes some are working in KL so on and so forth, but it still boils down to education. -
But in the recent events, we are seeing even educated professionals are getting into this terrorist acts.Originally posted by silversurfer_41:Malaysia and Indonesia esp, they are alot more protective towards Islam because majority of them are Muslims. Only a small group actually believe in equality amongst the religions. must remember, most of them are still living in kampongs and their education system is a bit slow. yes some are working in KL so on and so forth, but it still boils down to education.
Agree with you that we all comes from the same source, and we are fellow brothers and sisters, but even fellow brothers and sisters fight among each other. Unfortunately selfishness and self-centredness are part of human nature, as long as we are so, there will always be conflicts. I believe all the major religions in the world are peaceful and tolerant; it is some of the followers who use religions and misinterpret them for their own purpose. They are following their own agenda, not God's agenda. -
Islamic resurgence began after the 1967 debacle when a combined Muslim effort to drive Isreal into the sea failed miserably. This awoken the Muslim.
Firstly, hardliners became intollerant of moderates. In Algeria, Moroco there were throat slitting by Islamists, Egypt saw President Sadat being assinated, and tourist machined gunned in Cairo by militants. All these before the Soviets invaded Afganistan.
The Muslims want to restore their pride circa 14th century.
The US foreign policy, oppression of Muslims, war on terror, Iraq mess, etc etc are all moot points brought to the forefront by Osama Bin Laden.
Bin Laden (driven from Saudia Arabia to Afganistan) had the Islamic Caliphate in mind, stretching from Morocco to Iran, or Khazakstan. He saw no reason why the federation could not be the most powerful in the world. The moderate Muslims and the US of A make his dream unfeasible. He chose to tackle the US first.
The current Muslim situation are Islamic resurgence gone wry. Thanks to Bin Laden & Co impatience.
The lable Al Qaeda btw is an invention of the “West”. The term is used by Islamic militants to refer to training camps in Afganistan. There is no Al Qaeda organization..
World domination is the Islamist goal, which I have to say is not in the agenda of the moderate Muslim. They are innocent. But they are passive supporters, albeit unwittingly, by denying that the militants, extremist are acting in accordance with the doctrines of the Quran.
Don't ask me for source, it is in the Quran, and in the various books about the Islam resurgence written by Muslims.
When we quote the verses and paragraphs, we are deemed to be out of context. Right.
It is these very verses and more, that are used 'out of context' to fuel the extremist 'jihad'.
The communist attempt at world dominance is over, now we have a new threat. We only have to look up north, to Malaysia, to see the slowly creeping resurgence, and what is going to happen when Muslims gain dominance.
These are my personal views, formulated all through the years, and remember this is the internet.
So don't hold my views as "correct".
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Now, you've said that you're a muslim. so these are words coming from your fellow muslim.Originally posted by silversurfer_41:i was actually offended by some of the comments being made here, though i cant provide actual evidence here. it is up to individual whether he or she wants to assume or get the facts right.
I'm a moderate muslim. I myself have questions about my own religion. but one thing that i will never question is my own faith. faith and teachings and impressions are totally diferent meanings. the verse, Islam should be the only religion in the world, is totally incomplete. forumers here should read more in depth what it means rather than jump to conclusions in just a verse.
if you all must know, Muhammad PBUH has always been patient eventhough being provoked. He hid in a mountain when the Quraisy pple are looking to kill him. never in his life he wanted to kill anyone. he will pray for those even who disliked him so that they will be granted heaven.
we don't hate jews, we just dislike the way things are carried out by them. hate and dislike are 2 different meanings. do you think by killing them is a better option? read the Quran properly before you pose a question. In Islam, you are not even allowed to kill an ant without a valid reason! they are God's creature.
Why do Muslims back then killed pple? it is because pple criticized Allah and his religion. They don't mean to kill but only to defend. and if you must know, there is a story about this. Moreover, if a Muslim happened to slay a person, he must bear all responsiblites that the person left. the person might have a family, he must educate, provide necessaties to them.
in Islam, you have the right to choose the path in which you want to be. be a non-muslim if you want, but still you have to respect Islam and other religions you chose to be in faith with.
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do you know what the f*ck have you just said?!
(check out highlighted red) it's BLOODY contradicting. and what's more, judging from (the second part which i've highlighted in red), you've underlined the underlying fact which i've said in my previous posts.
sorry, but people from all over the world do not condone killings just to defend your own religion. thus, we do not respect those kind of motherf*ckin' bullcrap, nonsensical teachings & religion. how do you expect people to respect you when you kill to defend your religion? moreover, it's such a lame excuse and a totally evil thing to do. -
They don't mean to kill but only to defend
defend from wad? -
Originally posted by silversurfer_41:Why do Muslims back then killed pple? it is because pple criticized Allah and his religion.
I thought "Allah is great"...if he is, why does he need his followers to kill other fellow human beings who don't believe in him or criticize him and his religion? Criticisms are just words...can Allah, who is all powerful and wise, be hurt by mere words from mere humans? -
I think I should try to clarify something. Muslims do not kill people who criticise the religion. In fact, muslims are told to try and enlighten, NOT BY FORCE, to those who do not believe and make them believe.Originally posted by Kachui:
I thought "Allah is great"...if he is, why does he need his followers to kill other fellow human beings who don't believe in him or criticize him and his religion? Criticisms are just words...can Allah, who is all powerful and wise, be hurt by mere words from mere humans?
Now, they are not told to attack because Allah is being criticized, but in fact, it is said that Muslims must defend Islam if Islam is being ATTACKED in a way that maybe the Muslims are forced to convert or such. Other things, such as the war against americans cannot be considered as valid religious attacks as they have not done anything against Muslims, in fact, muslims live and practise religion freely in their country. Problems such as those in Southern Thailand, and America are, as said earlier, brought about by Organizations such as Al-Qaeda, JI who use the religion as an excuse to stir up feelings, cause conflicts and they gain the profits. Islam does not allow harming civilians such as those in 9/11, Bali Bombings as they have not done anything to attack Islam...excuse me if what im saying is not clear, really hard to convey this message. -
Now, I understand that.Originally posted by simnatic:I think I should try to clarify something. Muslims do not kill people who criticise the religion. In fact, muslims are told to try and enlighten, NOT BY FORCE, to those who do not believe and make them believe.
Now, they are not told to attack because Allah is being criticized, but in fact, it is said that Muslims must defend Islam if Islam is being ATTACKED in a way that maybe the Muslims are forced to convert or such. Other things, such as the war against americans cannot be considered as valid religious attacks as they have not done anything against Muslims, in fact, muslims live and practise religion freely in their country. Problems such as those in Southern Thailand, and America are, as said earlier, brought about by Organizations such as Al-Qaeda, JI who use the religion as an excuse to stir up feelings, cause conflicts and they gain the profits. Islam does not allow harming civilians such as those in 9/11, Bali Bombings as they have not done anything to attack Islam...excuse me if what im saying is not clear, really hard to convey this message.
But i do not understand why major world islamic countries....saudi arabia... indonesia... malaysia... qatar.. and the rest in the arabian peninsula... to really unite and DENOUNCE it publicly?... they seemed to be very quiet abt this issue....
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Hey, dude, I know Muslims are not asked to kill people who criticize the Islam religion. I am just pointing out the fallacy of silversurfer_41's rationale for the millitant muslims' violence against other people.Originally posted by simnatic:I think I should try to clarify something. Muslims do not kill people who criticise the religion. In fact, muslims are told to try and enlighten, NOT BY FORCE, to those who do not believe and make them believe.
Now, they are not told to attack because Allah is being criticized, but in fact, it is said that Muslims must defend Islam if Islam is being ATTACKED in a way that maybe the Muslims are forced to convert or such. Other things, such as the war against americans cannot be considered as valid religious attacks as they have not done anything against Muslims, in fact, muslims live and practise religion freely in their country. Problems such as those in Southern Thailand, and America are, as said earlier, brought about by Organizations such as Al-Qaeda, JI who use the religion as an excuse to stir up feelings, cause conflicts and they gain the profits. Islam does not allow harming civilians such as those in 9/11, Bali Bombings as they have not done anything to attack Islam...excuse me if what im saying is not clear, really hard to convey this message. -
you have to look at history. israel is sort of an artificial state, formed smack in the middle of the arab world...furthermore, it's formation was not agreed upon by the countries in the region.Instead of trying to resolve it further by diplomacy, the arab israeli war occured...what can one expect?Originally posted by mhcampboy:Now, I understand that.
But i do not understand why major world islamic countries....saudi arabia... indonesia... malaysia... qatar.. and the rest in the arabian peninsula... to really unite and DENOUNCE it publicly?... they seemed to be very quiet abt this issue....
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correct me if i'm wrong.
In the Qu'ran, theres 2 main sets of revelations, the Mecca revelations and Medina revelations. The Mecca revelations spoke well of Jews and praised them and basically were trying to get the Jews to feel good, so that there would be more converts.
However, when the Jews mocked Islam and set out to get Muhammad, he made the night journey to Medina and from that point onwards, all revelations spoke bad of Jews. They even accused the Jews of corrupting God's word.
A party of them (Jewish Rabbis) used to hear the word of Allah (The Taurat), they then used to change it knowingly after they understood it.
-Surah 2 : 75; CF. verses 76-79
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I'm very sure you didn't write the following.Originally posted by thehappybunny:correct me if i'm wrong.
Anyway, the Meccan and Medinan revelations doesn't abrogate each other, they add up to a whole, though the Medinan verses tend to be more specific as a response against a particular event. It really ain't about the Jews nor do all latter revelations regarding Jews spoke bad of them.
In the Qu'ran, theres 2 main sets of revelations, the Mecca revelations and Medina revelations. The Mecca revelations spoke well of Jews and praised them and basically were trying to get the Jews to feel good, so that there would be more converts.
However, when the Jews mocked Islam and set out to get Muhammad, he made the night journey to Medina and from that point onwards, all revelations spoke bad of Jews. They even accused the Jews of corrupting God's word.
A party of them (Jewish Rabbis) used to hear the word of Allah (The Taurat), they then used to change it knowingly after they understood it.
-Surah 2 : 75; CF. verses 76-79
That is just plain outrageous.
The allusion for the deceitful conversion of the Jews has no bearing lah, especially when it has been said to let the People of the Book judge in accordance to their own books and more. Muhammad made the migration to Medina not because of the Jews but because of the persecution of the pagan Quraish tribe.
Now, if you accept the premise that Muhammad is a messenger from God, one of his purpose was to address the former monotheists to revisit their own theological histories and their relationship with God. I should add that his addresses are only meant for those who lived in his time and place because they are very circumstantial. And it appears that some Jews didn't observe the Sabbath, or even worshipped somebody(?) called Ezra, etc.
Thats about it. Context.
Accusation of corrupting God's word is nothing new.
"for ye have perverted the words of the living God" - Jeremiah.
Why must hate Jews? *Shrugs* As another muslim, I've got no problem with the Jews. Why must hate Israel? Sometimes, the politics in the middle east are somehow exported through my religion.
I see Ibn Kathir's tasfir is quoted. He sucks, lol. -
Trendz, you obviously have no time or no patience in reading the facts whatsoever. yea sure there's an internet, but what some said internet is full of misleading stuff.Originally posted by trendz:Now, you've said that you're a muslim. so these are words coming from your fellow muslim.
BUT..
do you know what the f*ck have you just said?!
(check out highlighted red) it's BLOODY contradicting. and what's more, judging from (the second part which i've highlighted in red), you've underlined the underlying fact which i've said in my previous posts.
sorry, but people from all over the world do not condone killings just to defend your own religion. thus, we do not respect those kind of motherf*ckin' bullcrap, nonsensical teachings & religion. how do you expect people to respect you when you kill to defend your religion? moreover, it's such a lame excuse and a totally evil thing to do.
so what if its contradicting? you just criticize Islam and did you see me kill you? I'm defending my own religion but i don't kill. extremist do. they set themselves out there just to influence all easy-to-brainwash Muslims to commit terror acts. politics wise too.
I agree with sinmatic on his clarification, because both of us understands what its about. he just put it in simpler terms. I just hope that all forumites there will not jump to conclusions abt a few sentences, as earlier on i did say abt reading the whole history 1st. -
What i can tell..all these discussio is not going anywhere.instead each of you are getting sins for critisizing each others religion..dosent every religion ask us to respect each other?
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watch kingdoms of heaven and u know why
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Oh that's a cool movie!Originally posted by boka:watch kingdoms of heaven and u know why
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The Mohammedan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. The Islamic historians and scholars have recorded with great glee and pride of the slaughters of Hindus, forced conversions, abduction of Hindu women and children to slave markets and the destruction of temples carried out by the warriors of Islam during 800 AD to 1700 AD. Millions of Hindus were converted to Islam by sword during this period.
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The great God says in the Koran [47.4]: "0 True believers, when you encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads." The above command of the Great God is a great command and must be respected and followed. You should not be so fond of showing mercy, as to nullify the virtue of the act. Henceforth grant pardon to no one of the enemy and spare none of them, or else all will consider you a weak-minded man.
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totally agree!Originally posted by Honeybunz:Oh that's a cool movie! -
I better watch Jay Chou in concert.Originally posted by boka:watch kingdoms of heaven and u know why
Look guys and gals, I do not know damn about Muslim or christian, but it seem to me that they are alway fighting and quarrelling. Who is right??, the Bible or the Koran??, both claim to be the words of God, but is it true??. Who said so?? Who edited it? Who created such books that let to so much bloodshed in our human kind???. Why should I believe in a book that have killing, jealous, revenge and violences in it and that it was said to be written about 2 centuries ago to be call the book of God.
As an Angel, I rather be in hell than believing in heaven. -
If someone draws a cartoon depicting your mother as a dog and goes around calling her a bitch, I daresay many of you might well start a fistfight. Why do you need to resort to violence to resolve this? Afterall, it's just someone's opinion of your mother. It does not hurt her or you, does it?
But it does. To religious people of all persuasions, such an insult to their God, prophets or sacred books is just as painful and offensive. That is why in a multiracial and multi-religious society like Singapore, we must ban such affronts to religious sensitivities like the Danish or Swedish cartoons. -
Wah kor! So, who is who and wad is wad?
Can flash yellow card at both of them anot?