Books on new age metaphysics and stuff..
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anyone got any books to recommend? I was thinking of getting The Secret but it seems a little too commercialized for me.
Bought the Power of Now and man, that one is really deep you gotta approach it from a scientific standpoint. -
eurgh you mean meta******* - it's not fair to soil the word physics...
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good for u... i read many books one...
dun fall into spiritual books though.. cos they very flowery language...
deeprak chopra is those type... but he is very rich i noe...
go for more science based and logic type....
anyway.. u are on the right track to being a better person if u got this interest. -
The Power of Now is goodOriginally posted by N|ck:anyone got any books to recommend? I was thinking of getting The Secret but it seems a little too commercialized for me.
Bought the Power of Now and man, that one is really deep you gotta approach it from a scientific standpoint.
The author Eckhart Tolle certainly has some level of spiritual realisations (though not complete)... wld recommend his books to people as it is very inspirational and transformative and contains some very good meditative instructions that leads to the awakening of Presence..
That guy's not new age actually, but more like not belonging to any organisation in particular. -
Like I posted in your forum, 'God' has different levels -- http://atheism.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=238802Originally posted by january:good for u... i read many books one...
dun fall into spiritual books though.. cos they very flowery language...
deeprak chopra is those type... but he is very rich i noe...
go for more science based and logic type....
anyway.. u are on the right track to being a better person if u got this interest.
"But if there's one good thing that the New Atheists are doing, it's that they're elevating the psychological development of people who are ready to step out of mythic belief in God. I just hope that these people don't get stuck in rational level because there are other higher levels of God that can only be understood and appreciated once we take a skinny dip into the trans-rational."
Some authors are talking about transrational and transpersonal spirituality from experiences... those are what I find truly valuable.
No ideas about Deepak Chopra though so dunno if he's good.
But I guess you are right that there are certain authors we might as well avoid... -
yeah i always been interested. I have most of the Conversations with God books, by Neale Ronald Welsch. Good read.Originally posted by january:good for u... i read many books one...
dun fall into spiritual books though.. cos they very flowery language...
deeprak chopra is those type... but he is very rich i noe...
go for more science based and logic type....
anyway.. u are on the right track to being a better person if u got this interest.
Oh I am not very sure on the technical stuff, what's new age, what's metaphysics, just on the general idea.
Wouldn't mind reading up stuff on the occult too. -
but i not on the god side one leh.. me is athesitic one...Originally posted by N|ck:yeah i always been interested. I have most of the Conversations with God books, by Neale Ronald Welsch. Good read.
Oh I am not very sure on the technical stuff, what's new age, what's metaphysics, just on the general idea.
Wouldn't mind reading up stuff on the occult too.
i also not sure about new age stuff....
mainly prefers books written by scientist, psychologist, philosophers and logicians..... -
Not really sure if scientific standpoint would work -- any sort of logic and thoughts and mental interpretations are secondary in the experience of PresenceOriginally posted by N|ck:Bought the Power of Now and man, that one is really deep you gotta approach it from a scientific standpoint.
p.s. anyway there's a forummer who posts in my forum... called JonLS... you can say he's one of the forummers who is quite enlightened. Here's what he said in his first post in my forum,
"...The experiences I am going to speak of began about the time I came across a spiritual teaching from Eckhart Tolle. I noticed that spiritual development or the dropping of concepts and ideas accelerated greatly after coming into contact with this teaching...." -
I bought The Secret but never read it so I sold it off.
I recommend Chicken Soup series. -
i understand, just saying it starts off really deep. Maybe I need some of that flowery language, a little.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Not really sure if scientific standpoint would work -- any sort of logic and thoughts and mental interpretations are secondary in the experience of Presence
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why are there different level of god.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Like I posted in your forum, 'God' has different levels -- http://atheism.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=238802
"But if there's one good thing that the New Atheists are doing, it's that they're elevating the psychological development of people who are ready to step out of mythic belief in God. I just hope that these people don't get stuck in rational level because there are other higher levels of God that can only be understood and appreciated once we take a skinny dip into the trans-rational."
Some authors are talking about transrational and transpersonal spirituality from experiences... those are what I find truly valuable.
No ideas about Deepak Chopra though so dunno if he's good.
But I guess you are right that there are certain authors we might as well avoid...
it is not apropriate to use the word god for what higher level of god.
god is generally being known as supreme being or creator but because there is no good evidences for it, therefore we say that god does not exist. period.
if you believe in science, hyperspace, anti matter and quatam physics... you call them and discuss by their technical names... and not attach new flowerly language like spiritual thingy and higher level of god stuff. -
well it all voice down to choices
to one whether to believe in God a not
no one can force or what
Just rem to bear the consequences
of own choices
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kinokuniya... bent russel.. something like that.... he is a philosopher.. quite famous in his field...Originally posted by N|ck:i understand, just saying it starts off really deep. Maybe I need some of that flowery language, a little.
how? any books guys?
wrote on some happiness book before.. he also got atheistic book i think -
"just remember to bear the consequences of our own choices"..Originally posted by noahnoah:well it all voice down to choices
to one whether to believe in God a not
no one can force or what
Just rem to bear the consequences
of own choices
like got hidden meaning like that....
ya.. i noe that we are all putting out our arguments on the table and in the end people will make their own choice after seeing what is on the table. -
self help books got different focus... some on success, money, happiness and some on simplicity, health and also more academic type like science, psychology and philosophy....Originally posted by N|ck:anyone got any books to recommend? I was thinking of getting The Secret but it seems a little too commercialized for me.
Bought the Power of Now and man, that one is really deep you gotta approach it from a scientific standpoint.
the are aplenty of books...
sometimes.. there are so many that u dunno what u really need... -
Originally posted by january:
In the sense yes, because God is so often misunderstood.
why are there different level of god.
it is not apropriate to use the word god for what higher level of god.
Usually when we talk about God, the only God people know of is the mythic image of God.god is generally being known as supreme being or creator but because there is no good evidences for it, therefore we say that god does not exist. period.
Yes, but you are talking about the mythic, personal Creator. And I personally do not suscribe to this belief as well.if you believe in science, hyperspace, anti matter and quatam physics... you call them and discuss by their technical names... and not attach new flowerly language like spiritual thingy and higher level of god stuff.
'Higher level' is simply an analogy, that there are different levels of consciousness (such as Ken Wilber's 10 or 9 fulcrums)... this is actually factual and documented psychological states (including some levels which are trans-personal, which some people call transpersonal psychology, though we must understand that from an integral viewpoint psychology is only an aspect), and one would usually progress through the fulcrums as one ages from a baby upwards.
And that transpersonal insights (insights refer more specifically to realisations of our formless nature of mind/self, or higher, our non-dual nature) can be achieved through various forms of mysticism (which Ken wilber calls psychic, subtle, formless and non-dual mysticism corresponding to the 4 different types of transpersonal experiences)... all these are documented and factual and is happening to many many people including many in this forum. These forms of 'mysticism' or I prefer to say, simply 'spiritual practises', are like the microscope or telescope that allows us to peak into the depths of our consciousness to discover our true nature, through transcendent glimpses. This is actually a very scientific process of finding out truth, actually. (this is elaborated in, as you probably have watched already, Ken Wilber - Spirituality and the 3 Strands of Deep Science)
Anyway, like Eckhart Tolle himself said, the word 'God' is so misunderstood that he will generally avoid using that term.
Here's what he said:You used the word Being. Can you explain what you mean by that?
Being is the eternal, ever-present One Life beyond the myriad forms of life that are subject to birth and death. However, Being is not only beyond but also deep within every form as its innermost invisible and indestructible essence. This means that it is accessible to you now as your own deepest self, your true nature. But don't seek to grasp it with your mind. Don't try to understand it. You can know it only when the mind is still. When you are present, when your attention is fully and intensely in the Now, Being can be felt, but it can never be understood mentally. To regain awareness of Being and to abide in that state of "feeling-realization" is enlightenment.
When you say Being, are you talking about God? If you are, then why don't you say it?
The word God has become empty of meaning through thousands of years of misuse. I use it sometimes, but I do so sparingly. By misuse, I mean that people who have never even glimpsed the realm of the sacred, the infinite vastness behind that word, use it with great conviction, as if they knew what they are talking about. Or they argue against it, as if they knew what it is that they are denying. This misuse gives rise to absurd beliefs, assertions, and egoic delusions, such as "My or our God is the only true God, and your God is false," or Nietzsche's famous statement "God is dead."
The word God has become a closed concept. The moment the word is uttered, a mental image is created, no longer, perhaps, of an old man with a white beard, but still a mental representation of someone or something outside you, and, yes, almost inevitably a male someone or something.
Neither God nor Being nor any other word can define or explain the ineffable reality behind the word, so the only important question is whether the word is a help or a hindrance in enabling you to experience That toward which it points. Does it point beyond itself to that transcendental reality, or does it lend itself too easily to becoming no more than an idea in your head that you believe in, a mental idol?
The word Being explains nothing, but nor does God. Being, however, has the advantage that it is an open concept. It does not reduce the infinite invisible to a finite entity. It is impossible to form a mental image of it. Nobody can claim exclusive possession of Being. It is your very essence, and it is immediately accessible to you as the feeling of your own presence, the realization I am that is prior to I am this or I am that. So it is only a small step from the word Being to the experience of Being. -
by eternal now:
u say that ken wilber stuff are academic and scientific based. and there are those transpersonal experiences and deeper depth of consciousness..
'Higher level' is simply an analogy, that there are different levels of consciousness (such as Ken Wilber's 10 or 9 fulcrums)... this is actually factual and documented psychological states (including some levels which are trans-personal, which some people call transpersonal psychology, though we must understand that from an integral viewpoint psychology is only an aspect), and one would usually progress through the fulcrums as one ages from a baby upwards.
And that transpersonal insights (insights refer more specifically to realisations of our formless nature of mind/self, or higher, our non-dual nature) can be achieved through various forms of mysticism (which Ken wilber calls psychic, subtle, formless and non-dual mysticism corresponding to the 4 different types of transpersonal experiences)... all these are documented and factual and is happening to many many people including many in this forum. These forms of 'mysticism' or I prefer to say, simply 'spiritual practises', are like the microscope or telescope that allows us to peak into the depths of our consciousness to discover our true nature, through transcendent glimpses. This is actually a very scientific process of finding out truth, actually. (this is elaborated in, as you probably have watched already, Ken Wilber - Spirituality and the 3 Strands of Deep Science)
Anyway, like Eckhart Tolle himself said, the word 'God' is so misunderstood that he will generally avoid using that term.
so what is it about these.. has he found the other universe .. or has he found the ability to survive his death... or are these documented transpersonal psychology still in its higher consciousness level talking?
current psychology studies and MRI of brain scanning in mainstream science shares with us knowledge like what kind of depression are there and what are the causes of deja vu feeling in people. These psychology things tries to tell us more knowledge and try to explain things....
ken wilber has its own interest and direction of knowledge... so these higher form of consciousness .. what is the latest news about them that we can relate to. -
Originally posted by january:
I would think so -- but I am not 'endorsing' Ken Wilber's credibilities, nor is it revelant nor necessary. Just telling you what he said is true in that video, and also, transpersonal psychology is a highly documented and factual stuff and is also something that is being studied. This is not invented by Ken Wilber or what.
u say that ken wilber stuff are academic and scientific based. and there are those transpersonal experiences and deeper depth of consciousness..so what is it about these.. has he found the other universe .. or has he found the ability to survive his death... or are these documented transpersonal psychology still in its higher consciousness level talking?
All these are not the field of transpersonal experiences, though non-local events are related to the non-local nature of reality. But don't confuse these things with transpersonal insights.current psychology studies and MRI of brain scanning in mainstream science shares with us knowledge like what kind of depression are there and what are the causes of deja vu feeling in people. These psychology things tries to tell us more knowledge and try to explain things....
Ken Wilber is not a professional psychologist (though he has certain levels of knowledge on it having studied a wide range of different people, psychologists, philosopher, etc etc..), more like an intergral philosopher, and part of what is integrated is transpersonal psychology.
ken wilber has its own interest and direction of knowledge... so these higher form of consciousness .. what is the latest news about them that we can relate to.
As for brain scanning of mystical states, this is a preliminary example -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFFMtq5g8N4 -
so from this higher consciouness and integral stuff... where does they lead us to...?
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Higher consciousness is really subjective and when people talk about higher consciousness it can mean a whole lot of things, and remember the many various states of consciousness, such as the 10 fulcrums or whatever... higher consciousness may mean things like having a more world-centric view that encompasses a larger perspective of the world.Originally posted by january:so from this higher consciouness and integral stuff... where does they lead us to...?
What I was talking about is more like transpersonal level of insights. What are the implications of transpersonal insights? Basically they clear up our delusions and sufferings related to how we perceive the world and ourselves... it is a sort of fundamental shift, quantum leap in perception of reality. This insight into reality liberates us from our bondage to sufferings caused by the inability to see our nature... like seeing through a deep belief in a separate and permanent self and realising our nature to be infinite, luminous-emptiness... then we realise we have been ignorantly holding onto a hot charcoal in our hands and finally learn to drop it. This is where many ancient traditions called 'Liberation' 'Enlightenment' 'Moksha', countless names. One experiences the clarity, and the highest and transcendental nirvanic bliss continuously, and sees our unmoving nature.
As for integral stuff, which is what Ken Wilber specialises on, sorts of provides us a clearer understanding of how different things correlates with each other in the entire universe, like a gigantic map of the universe that helps you understand things better.. There are many implications of integral theory, which you can go find out. I'm not learnt in this subject, so that's just what I understand so far. There's a new book by Ken Wilber called 'Integral Vision' that just came out, you may want to check on that... think it's suitable for a beginner on the subject. -
the power of now sux
dharma dan said so -
for the 1st and 2nd paragraph, it is similar to all those self help and self development books which tries to teach people about happiness and success, so the description of "highest and transcendental nirvanic bliss" is quite a superlative and flowery langaue. Well, for those who says that they have really experience this nirvanic state, i congrate them but so far the general masses of world and public have not really experience such orgasmic bliss yet.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Higher consciousness is really subjective and when people talk about higher consciousness it can mean a whole lot of things, and remember the many various states of consciousness, such as the 10 fulcrums or whatever... higher consciousness may mean things like having a more world-centric view that encompasses a larger perspective of the world.
What I was talking about is more like transpersonal level of insights. What are the implications of transpersonal insights? Basically they clear up our delusions and sufferings related to how we perceive the world and ourselves... it is a sort of fundamental shift, quantum leap in perception of reality. This insight into reality liberates us from our bondage to sufferings caused by the inability to see our nature... like seeing through a deep belief in a separate and permanent self and realising our nature to be infinite, luminous-emptiness... then we realise we have been ignorantly holding onto a hot charcoal in our hands and finally learn to drop it. This is where many ancient traditions called 'Liberation' 'Enlightenment' 'Moksha', countless names. One experiences the clarity, and the highest and transcendental nirvanic bliss continuously, and sees our unmoving nature.
As for integral stuff, which is what Ken Wilber specialises on, sorts of provides us a clearer understanding of how different things correlates with each other in the entire universe, like a gigantic map of the universe that helps you understand things better.. There are many implications of integral theory, which you can go find out. I'm not learnt in this subject, so that's just what I understand so far. There's a new book by Ken Wilber called 'Integral Vision' that just came out, you may want to check on that... think it's suitable for a beginner on the subject.
the integral stuff and how different things correlate with each other in the entire universe is not some new age and new things. All people know that everything is connected. Politics is connected to entertainment is connected to financial world is connected to how virus change. -
Check out the list of New Age books I recommend on my website (the amazon.com links are all *non*profit links, in case anyone's wondering).Originally posted by N|ck:anyone got any books to recommend? I was thinking of getting The Secret but it seems a little too commercialized for me.
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/main.htm -
scientist and statisticans , politicans, economists, analysts, experts, meterologist and entrepreneur... all these people are also studying and thinking how things are related and charting and planning things according to their relationship...
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yee. many spiritual and heal ur health and afterlife stuff. i dun like...Originally posted by UltimaOnline:Check out the list of New Age books I recommend on my website (the amazon.com links are all *non*profit links, in case anyone's wondering).
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/main.htm