Books on new age metaphysics and stuff..
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Eh I thought you like TPON so much oneOriginally posted by Omniknight:the power of now sux
dharma dan said so
In the e-mail I received from Dharma Dan, he stated that he only read a little part of it, and is judging based on what he has read, and that Eckhart may know more than what he thought. He was talking about the levels of insights, and certainly as Thusness agreed Eckhart Tolle has not yet achieved full realisation.
Secondly dharma dan doesn't like Neo-Advaita kind of teachers who don't emphasize on constant harcore practise, but more like 'give up the search, you don't need to do anything' or 'you are already perfect' etc. Though, Eckhart Tolle is not really a Neo-Advaitin kind of guy and does advise constant practise and even formal sitting with various vipassanic-like meditative subjects (which Eckhart calls 'portals').
Anyway, in terms of insights as Thusness said before, Eckhart Tolle would be at Stage 4. Not complete yet. But even he would appreciate the value of Eckhart Tolle's work, very inspirational and transforming. Good pointers. Though the lack of insight into the deeper subtleties of our nature is apparent, it is still a great book and some parts of what he wrote is very clear.
I do refer time to time to TPON. -
wu changOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:Eh I thought you like TPON so much one -
Originally posted by january:
'Highest transcendental nirvanic bliss' is not a flowery or poetic statement, but is exactly what you experience when you attain such realisations. Though, it is beyond all our imaginations of what that bliss is. Bliss has many categories... I have experiences of jhanic meditative bliss which is even more blissful than sex, but even that is incomparable to the highest bliss of nirvana.
for the 1st and 2nd paragraph, it is similar to all those self help and self development books which tries to teach people about happiness and success, so the description of "highest and transcendental nirvanic bliss" is quite a superlative and flowery langaue. Well, for those who says that they have really experience this nirvanic state, i congrate them but so far the general masses of world and public have not really experience such orgasmic bliss yet.
Regarding bliss, Thusness spoke from experience:
Like samatha meditation, each jhana state represents a stage of bliss associated with certain level of concentration; the bliss experienced from insight into our nature differs.
The happiness and pleasure experience by a dualistic mind is different from that experienced by a practitioner. “I AMness” is a higher form of happiness as compared to a dualistic mind that continuously chatters. It is a level of bliss associated with a state of ‘transcendence’ – a state of bliss resulting from the experience of “formlessness, odorless, colorless, attributeless and thoughtlessness’.
No-self or non-dual is higher form of bliss resulted from the direct experience of Oneness and no-separation. It is related to the dropping of the ‘I’. When non-dual is free from perceptions, that bliss is a form transcendence-oneness.the integral stuff and how different things correlate with each other in the entire universe is not some new age and new things. All people know that everything is connected. Politics is connected to entertainment is connected to financial world is connected to how virus change.
Yea not new age.. -
You have to practise... Otherwise signposts are just signposts, you can keep them at a corner and they'll just rust. It doesn't serve its function.Originally posted by Omniknight:wu chang -
i am already enlightenedOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:You have to practise... Otherwise signposts are just signposts, you can keep them at a corner and they'll just rust. It doesn't serve its function. -
Ya right.Originally posted by Omniknight:i am already enlightened
Even though your Buddha Nature is already fundamentally complete, you aren't enlightened yet until you intuitively realise/see it. -
Please lah, AEN, if you yourself are not enlightened, you don't really know what you are talking about. You might think you do, from all the reading and studying about enlightenment, but it is not the same.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Ya right.
Even though your Buddha Nature is already fundamentally complete, you aren't enlightened yet until you intuitively realise/see it. -
and you know so because you are buddha.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Ya right.
Even though your Buddha Nature is already fundamentally complete, you aren't enlightened yet until you intuitively realise/see it. -
Exactly!!Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Please lah, AEN, if you yourself are not enlightened, you don't really know what you are talking about. You might think you do, from all the reading and studying about enlightenment, but it is not the same.
Now tell that to omniknight
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Me or you? What are you talking about?Originally posted by Omniknight:and you know so because you are buddha. -
enlightenment is moving on with your life because there is nothing inherent to be purged and no such thing as enlightenmentOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:Exactly!!
Now tell that to omniknight
the enlightened do not speak because there is nothing to speak of and no one to speak
only troubled people want to seek enlightenment -
OKOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:Exactly!!
Now tell that to omniknight
Please lah, omniknight , if you yourself are not enlightened, you don't really know what you are talking about. You might think you do, from all the reading and studying about enlightenment, but it is not the same. -
No.Originally posted by Omniknight:enlightenment is moving on with your life
If you don't get enlightened, you'll suffer, even if you try moving on with your life or afterlife. You'll still suffer the sufferings of samsara.
*applause*Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:OK
Please lah, omniknight , if you yourself are not enlightened, you don't really know what you are talking about. You might think you do, from all the reading and studying about enlightenment, but it is not the same. -
Thank You Thank You Thank YouOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:*applause*
First of all I would like to thank ~BWB~ for giving me this opportunity.... -
use my edited msg pls
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Originally posted by Omniknight:enlightenment is moving on with your life because there is nothing inherent to be purged and no such thing as enlightenment
the enlightened do not speak because there is nothing to speak of and no one to speak
only troubled people want to seek enlightenment
1) there is ultimately no attainment, no self. but if you haven't realised THAT, you still suffer in ignorance. and no, understanding it is not the same as realising it intuitively and experiencing it.
2) there is nothing to speak of because ultimate reality is beyond description. but words serve as useful pointers.
and no one to speak because there is no self. but no self does not mean non-existence of self.
3) Even those in heaven and celestial beings should seek enlightenment, liberation from all sufferings, and the highest bliss of nirvana. -
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
you should tell that to the deluded people living in denial of their lives and thinking too much seeking an escape, im over it already
1) there is ultimately no attainment, no self. [b]but if you haven't realised THAT, you still suffer in ignorance.
2) there is nothing to speak of because ultimate reality is beyond description. but words serve as useful pointers.
and no one to speak because there is no self. [b]but no self does not mean non-existence of self.
3) Even those in heaven and celestial beings should seek enlightenment, liberation from all sufferings, and the highest bliss of nirvana.[/b] -
what opportunityOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:Thank You Thank You Thank You
First of all I would like to thank ~BWB~ for giving me this opportunity....
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Even if you somehow no longer live in denial of your life situation (generally), I do not think you can live without denial of every single moment.Originally posted by Omniknight:you should tell that to the deluded people living in denial of their lives and thinking too much seeking an escape, im over it already
Only enlightened beings can live in complete acceptance of every single moment -- because they have seen through the illusion of duality, and therefore uprooted dualistic attraction and aversion.
Secondly, you must never, never, abandone spiritual practise until you get enlightened. It's like a moving a boat across the sea of samsara to the other shore. If you abandon the boat halfway, you'll sink. Of course eventually you have to abandon the boat, but that's only when you reach the other shore first. -
if u tell that to a baby u r just creating more concepts for the baby to think aboutOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:Even if you somehow no longer live in denial of your life situation (generally), I do not think you can live without denial of every single moment.
Only enlightened beings can live in complete acceptance of every single moment -- because they have seen through the illusion of duality, and therefore uprooted dualistic attraction and aversion.
Secondly, you must never, never, abandone spiritual practise until you get enlightened. It's like a moving a boat across the sea of samsara to the other shore. If you abandon the boat halfway, you'll sink. Of course eventually you have to abandon the boat, but that's only when you reach the other shore first.
why do you have to react this way to this situation? why do you have to react that way to that situation? -
First of all, why would I teach dharma to a baby? Obviously the baby can't understand because he doesn't even know how to talk or understand words. Commentaries state that the youngest person (2 of them) recorded in the scriptures to attain full Arhatship were 7 years old. Below that their mental capacities and ability to understand Buddha's words and practise were not there yet.Originally posted by Omniknight:if u tell that to a baby u r just creating more concepts for the baby to think about
why do you have to react this way to this situation? why do you have to react that way to that situation?
And obviously your intelligence is far higher than a baby unless you are retarded or suffer mental illnesses.
And I don't get your next sentence. -
muOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:First of all, why would I teach dharma to a baby? Obviously the baby can't understand because he doesn't even know how to talk or understand words. Commentaries state that the youngest person (2 of them) recorded in the scriptures to attain full Arhatship were 7 years old. Below that their mental capacities and ability to understand Buddha's words and practise were not there yet.
And obviously your intelligence is far higher than a baby unless you are retarded or suffer mental illnesses.
And I don't get your next sentence. -
teacher chen also said dont go around seeking another enlightenment if there is no ignorance already
so stop telling me this and that -
That is meant to be a koan-like pointer. It is meant to be practised, not believed. What he is saying is that at THIS moment, if you stop seeking anything, give up conceptual thoughts and interpretations, at that moment, there is no need to seek any other enlightenment because that would just be another illusory thought. At least that is how I understand it.Originally posted by Omniknight:teacher chen also said dont go around seeking another enlightenment if there is no ignorance already
so stop telling me this and that
JonLS stated similar things on his topic on 'Enlightenment' --Originally posted by JonLS:This is a misinterpretation of what I am saying. I am not saying that everyone can and does experience clarity right now. What I am saying is that since I see clearly now, I realize that this clarity has always been there. And what is true for me is true for all others because there really are no others and also because all others are like me and all others are me.
But more importantly what I really said is that "you don't need time to be what you already are". That is not the same thing as the article you quoted. This saying in fact acts like a koan on the mind, stopping it dead in its' tracks. But you have to really want the truth if it is to act that way for you. -
hanarOriginally posted by An Eternal Now: