Cure for HIV discovered
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aaahh!! so can slep with many indians thenOriginally posted by angel7030:.....cure only for Indians blood, as the founder is an indian, indians will benefit from it.
Be smart ya, boy. -
anyway, the new report is that the vaccine don't work. or at least, not meeting the target.
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to a certain extent i might agree to what u had said.. but..Originally posted by dumbdumb!:HIV isn't a solution to these problems. it is the result of these problems.
marriage should be strengthen with love, not with fear of getting hiv.
prostitution should be dealt with education and helping the poor so they don't have to sell themselves.
fear is never the right solution
First of all, yes, HIV was probably caused by casual sex. But not by marriage breakdowns. And I dont think I said HIV IS a solution to the problems..
You see, the existence of HIV serves as a deterrence for some to abstain as much as they can from casual sex with total strangers. From a certain someone who had asked me to google condoms, yes, condoms helps to protect but it does not give you full guarantee.. Condoms do not eliminate HIV.. Go ahead fill your backpack with condoms and go on a sex romp in an area where AIDS is rampant..
Marriage should be strengthen with love I agree wholeheartedly.. Sadly, reality is such that the statement will remain just mere words until shiiet happens then the effect of such advice kicks in strongly..
Pardon me for not explaning myself fully why I added marriage in as an affected factor of life. This is basically I thought that the impact of a cure of HIV, an incurable sexually transmitted disease, would result in an increase in casual sex.
Your part on prostitution, I wouldn't fully disagree cos ur right to a certain extent. Education plays a huge part in solving world's vices and problems.. But we all know prostitution is a very lucrative job. Increase in casual sex = Increase in demand = Increase in prostitution
Fear is never the right solution? "Never" is such a strong word to use. Let's pause and think for awhile about these words --> Laws, regulations, and punishments.
haiz.. sianz tot wan to reply play play one.. in de end also kana explain serious serious.. haiyo... -
laws and regulations are to help people determine what is right and wrong, and for the protection of those who can't protect themselves.Originally posted by dinky1409:to a certain extent i might agree to what u had said.. but..
First of all, yes, HIV was probably caused by casual sex. But not by marriage breakdowns. And I dont think I said HIV IS a solution to the problems..
You see, the existence of HIV serves as a deterrence for some to abstain as much as they can from casual sex with total strangers. From a certain someone who had asked me to google condoms, yes, condoms helps to protect but it does not give you full guarantee.. Condoms do not eliminate HIV.. Go ahead fill your backpack with condoms and go on a sex romp in an area where AIDS is rampant..
Marriage should be strengthen with love I agree wholeheartedly.. Sadly, reality is such that the statement will remain just mere words until shiiet happens then the effect of such advice kicks in strongly..
Pardon me for not explaning myself fully why I added marriage in as an affected factor of life. This is basically I thought that the impact of a cure of HIV, an incurable sexually transmitted disease, would result in an increase in casual sex.
Your part on prostitution, I wouldn't fully disagree cos ur right to a certain extent. Education plays a huge part in solving world's vices and problems.. But we all know prostitution is a very lucrative job. Increase in casual sex = Increase in demand = Increase in prostitution
Fear is never the right solution? "Never" is such a strong word to use. Let's pause and think for awhile about these words --> Laws, regulations, and punishments.
haiz.. sianz tot wan to reply play play one.. in de end also kana explain serious serious.. haiyo...
punishment is for justice.
but i was quite sian when i told my friend that there was a possible cure for HIV, and he was joking about going to celebrate in geylang. -
Ah.. You see.. "..protection of(for) those who can't protect themselves.." How do the law protect? Infringement of law leads to punishments.. Existence of some punishments acts as a deterrence for potential wrong do-ers.. Fear of getting caught.. Hence, "never" shouldn't be used there.. Oh well, digressing away from the main topic hehz..Originally posted by dumbdumb!:laws and regulations are to help people determine what is right and wrong, and for the protection of those who can't protect themselves.
punishment is for justice.
but i was quite sian when i told my friend that there was a possible cure for HIV, and he was joking about going to celebrate in geylang.
You see, your friend might be joking but it tells a lot about how easily such mindsets can surface in any ordinary Tom, Dick and Harry.. -
That's one hope that the HIV people could cheer in their battle agaisnt AIDS.
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It could be false hope as the "pair of scissors" may attack other unexpected body cells.
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What about those who were born with HIV because their parents contracted HIV. What about those who contracted HIV due to unclean instruments(e.g. utensils, injections) by human errors? Are you being fair to them by throwing away their only hope in life? Are you going to deprive their rights to be cured just because other people are irresponsible and inconsiderate?Originally posted by dinky1409:Fear of contracting STDs especially HIV is one of the deterrence of casual sex. Fear of not being able to be cured for life enhances this deterrence. You relieve this fear, wouldn't there be a response? Bro, this is reality.. -
personally i would cheer for the vaccine.
save people lives first, worry about the booming prostitution industry later. -
with or without HIV, people will still engage in casual sex as long as there is demand, there will be supply. Yes, with the cure for HIV, i definitely feel that the numbers of casual sex will go up, but as long as it does not affect others, I dun see whats wrong with casual sex. Currently casual sex is deem as wrong because,
1)STDs are on the loose
2)Unfaithful to life long partners
3)Certain moral values/religion
For 1 and 2, it directly affects another person. e.g. the husband went out to have casual sex and contracted HIV. Without knowing, he spreaded the virus to his wife and family the next day through blood or sex. Does his family have to pay for his wrongdoings? If the husband or wife are not faithful to each other, even if there is not HIV or STDs, they will engage in casual sex with others. The deterrance should lie in the commitment and love for each other and not fear of having HIV.
For those who object the cure of HIVs, do you mean you currently do not engage in casual sex because you're afraid of getting HIV? You do not cheat your husband/wife/bf/gf because you fear HIV?
The invention of dynamites is widely used for construction, demolishing buildings to construct new ones, making those inaccessible accessible and many others. People in the past walk around or climb mountains to get over the other side, this is time consuming and dangerous, the use of dynamites flattens the mountain to provide direct access which used to be the other side of the mountain.
At the same time, it is also used by terrorist for suicide bombings and laying the groundwork for war. Like the cure for HIV, is the invention of dynamites should not be invented at all?
Just some food for thought and pointing out certain important questions to consider. Please do not get agitated over this. -
yeap this is what I think so too.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:personally i would cheer for the vaccine.
save people lives first, worry about the booming prostitution industry later.
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"Are you being fair to them by throwing away their only hope in life?" If you wanna assume, make sure assume correctly.. Find a post of mine in this thread which explicitly says that I am against a cure for HIV..Originally posted by cloud210:What about those who were born with HIV because their parents contracted HIV. What about those who contracted HIV due to unclean instruments(e.g. utensils, injections) by human errors? Are you being fair to them by throwing away their only hope in life? Are you going to deprive their rights to be cured just because other people are irresponsible and inconsiderate?
I merely state the possible effects of such an event.. Whether it should be allowed, that is is all about cost benefits my friend..
There are people who live on a normal life with HIV by the way..
It is a cruel world that we live in. Nothing in this world is perfect. That actually makes up the colours of life..
What if there is a cure for every disease in the world, and an elixir of immortality had been developed. Hmm.. hmm??
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I certaintly hope the terrorist target the facility that is carrying out this research.
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zz u guys are looking at this the wrong way.
in a war, battlefield medics save everyone, they don't care if you're the enemy or what. saving lives come first.
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cure = good.
Come on. A cure is always good. Its a chance for those.. that never got a chance or against thier will. But then again , the cure.. will just lead to many more new disease.
its the cycle. We will just be looking for cures.. until maybe human alteration. Gene alternation. Enhanced. Well , we'll never know. Cause thats whats going on with the ethical isuess of genome and wether or not we should go ahead with it. Play...GOD!
actually i am up for Immortality. -
according to some of you, a vaccine for dengue is bad because it would stop ppl from preventing mosquito infestations
stupid logic.
Cure for HIV = good. What's wrong with rampant sex? It diversifies the gene pool. Or are you just pissed off because you're not qualified to join in the activities? Seriously, it's always beneficial in the long run for the species if they get to mate more with more diversity. That argument is so bad.
Of course, in the micro sense, if you believe humans cannot reason and will hump the nearest biped, removing the risk will of course lead to more broken marriages. But why are you guys so against that? Are you afraid you'll personally fall from grace? If your neighbour wants to have affairs, how is that going to affect you, really. Or are you so insecure to think your spouse is the intended target(and compliant).
To hear some of you speak of it, you'll think that before the onset of aids, human societies were filled with sex crazed males having random sex with strangers every night. Marriages work because they work. They fail because of reasons other than risk free sex. If you require a disease to keep your spouse faithful, you are in BIG trouble -
There is cure for gonorrhoea, syphilis too.
It just take the anxiety away.
I hope it would be the same for HIV, just go to the doctor for a jab in future.
But people would still be vary of STDs. -
Originally posted by dinky1409:"Are you being fair to them by throwing away their only hope in life?" If you wanna assume, make sure assume correctly..
Why would you want to carry a HIV around? It just leads to discriminations and many more social effects. If you'r an employer, would you hire an HIV carrier? Are you able to choose a higher path when you found out the person you love has HIV? Prostitution whether female or male is driven by desperation due to lack of money and jobless, having HIVs totally block off your only other way from earning money besides begging considering the law of Singapore.
Find a post of mine in this thread which explicitly says that I am against a cure for HIV..
You do not need to explicitly say "I love you" to let the other person know you like him/her. Actions, signs such as a little extra attention and care to the other person would be enough(this usually also includes a few passerbys who can tell you like that person). Thus, you do not need to explicitly say "I'm against the cure" to let me know you are because we humans can analyse and infer. If I'm wrong about you, then I'll apologise now in advance.
I merely state the possible effects of such an event.. Whether it should be allowed, that is is all about cost benefits my friend..
Understood..
There are people who live on a normal life with HIV by the way..
Yes, but given the availability of a cure, would you want to live a normal life with HIV or normal life AND HIV-free considering the effects I've stated above?
It is a cruel world that we live in. Nothing in this world is perfect. That actually makes up the colours of life..
Very agree, but we should also strive to do our best knowing it wouldn't be perfect, but the very least, be the best. If we have the ability to cure HIV, we should do it. Even if like someone just said, a cure found may lead to many more new disease, if we stop now, we're letting those with HIV now, just rot and die. Would you like it if you had HIV now and people can cure you but they choose not to because that will allow others to go on a sex rampage? As long as we continue to strive to do our best, nothing will be too great for us to take on. This should be the colours of life.
What if there is a cure for every disease in the world, and an elixir of immortality had been developed. Hmm.. hmm??
A cure for every disease looks great to me, but we do not just die from diseases. We will still die to accidents, age or if we kill ourselves, it is just 1 less way to die, 1 less thing for our loved ones to worry about which is supposed to mean its good. The elixir of immortality may take away you form the jaws of death, but there is something call the 'living hell'. I wouldn't really want to live forever if I'm a bankrupt especially in Singapore. The Earth will be overpopulated, since no one dies and no HIVs to curb the high sex drives if you like to think it this way, else food, air, clothes and etc will be insufficient. I know you won't die from hunger or cold because you have no clothes to block the wind, but certainly you do not want to live forever feeling cold everyday or hungry(I'll miss the good food). Therefore, these will be the places we will working on if the elixir of immortality is invented, that should be our colors of life by then
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U live in your own world idiot.Originally posted by deathbait:according to some of you, a vaccine for dengue is bad because it would stop ppl from preventing mosquito infestations
stupid logic.
Cure for HIV = good. What's wrong with rampant sex? It diversifies the gene pool. Or are you just pissed off because you're not qualified to join in the activities? Seriously, it's always beneficial in the long run for the species if they get to mate more with more diversity. That argument is so bad.
Of course, in the micro sense, if you believe humans cannot reason and will hump the nearest biped, removing the risk will of course lead to more broken marriages. But why are you guys so against that? Are you afraid you'll personally fall from grace? If your neighbour wants to have affairs, how is that going to affect you, really. Or are you so insecure to think your spouse is the intended target(and compliant).
To hear some of you speak of it, you'll think that before the onset of aids, human societies were filled with sex crazed males having random sex with strangers every night. Marriages work because they work. They fail because of reasons other than risk free sex. If you require a disease to keep your spouse faithful, you are in BIG trouble
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I still think the following statement is true leh.Originally posted by boka:U live in your own world idiot.
The cure for HIV will lead to social degradation.Originally posted by deathbait:If you require a disease to keep your spouse faithful, you are in BIG trouble -
i repeat, since you are obviously incapable of reading AND comprehending at the same time.Originally posted by boka:U live in your own world idiot.
The cure for HIV will lead to social degradation.
according to your statement, you are implying that before there was HIV, or knowledge of HIV and other STDs, the human civilisation was one big orgy.
I don't know much about history, but i'm pretty sure it wasn't. -
Actually its true about diversifying the gene pool.
Cure for HIV i dont think will lead to social degradation.Depends how u look at it. Dont think we will go humping .. it'll just be like the woodstock era. LOL! Cause new sexual disease will emerge.. which will then bring us to the genome project if its ehtically allowed or not. -
And it seems that your skull is filled with air.Originally posted by deathbait:i repeat, since you are obviously incapable of reading AND comprehending at the same time.
according to your statement, you are implying that before there was HIV, or knowledge of HIV and other STDs, the human civilisation was one big orgy.
I don't know much about history, but i'm pretty sure it wasn't.
Humans have a tendency to take things for granted i am very sure humans will begin to discard morals standing.
HIV arise for a reason-sex with too many partners result in the virus
However,now that humans are embarking on to create a vaccine for HIV,it seems to me that social order are going to take a turn in the near future.
In the past,explorer avoid the deep amazon forest because of the yellow fever but now that there is a vaccine for it,any explorer can hit the road after a visit to their clinic.
Acknowledge that humans are playing God and by eradicating the consequences of our negative actions,they will never see their mistakes because they have alter what is considered to be unacceptable by social norms.
While i agree that children born with HIV deserve this aid but lets be realistic,this vaccine will be marketed by the pivate sector and even if they are controlled,it will still end up in the black market.
Even with the invention of condoms which do not give 100% protection,there is already a huge amount of casual sex activities and i haven yet mention the blooming sex trade.
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I hate believing in the existence of God but..Originally posted by BadzMaro:Actually its true about diversifying the gene pool.
Cure for HIV i dont think will lead to social degradation.Depends how u look at it. Dont think we will go humping .. it'll just be like the woodstock era. LOL! Cause new sexual disease will emerge.. which will then bring us to the genome project if its ehtically allowed or not.
Why does it seems that animals go thro numerous mating seasons and yet never seem to have HIV whereas us humans do.
Aren't we all living mammals who reproduce too?
I hate to believe in a superior being but it seems that it make sense that in the bible,GOD made it that humans stay faithful to their spouse.
Scientifically,if making multiply sex partner to diversify our gene pool seem logical then why hasn't evolution and mother nature allow our body to be immune to the HIV virus?
U don't make sense.
Animals doesn't get infected with HIV because evolution has made it for them to live to reproduce whereas for us,it doesn't seem like so. -
It doesn't matter how an artist takes a different angle of viewing his tainted picture.Originally posted by BadzMaro:Actually its true about diversifying the gene pool.
Cure for HIV i dont think will lead to social degradation.Depends how u look at it. Dont think we will go humping .. it'll just be like the woodstock era. LOL! Cause new sexual disease will emerge.. which will then bring us to the genome project if its ehtically allowed or not.
The truth is,no one is going to buy his painting even after his constant justification and self smooting
It don't matter how people look at this issue because at the end of the day,humans will act upon their selfish nature and use the drug for their selfish purpose-having casual sex without the fear of catching HIV.