death penalty is sin
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You mean casino gambling can cause a person to die a painful death, like drugs poisoning a person slowly and killing em? Comon......get a life.......!!Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:and people that sell casino gambling?
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I thought this should be at Speaker's Corner?
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Ah.......yes...yes.....feel pity for the condemed.....do not let him suffer his last moments of his life....hanging can take a while for the condemed to die....it's slow and painful..............dying.....dying.......dying....Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:Even if you don't abolish the death sentence at least do it in a more humane way; death by hanging is an extremely painful way to die and it can take up to 8 minutes for you to lose consciousness. Is it not enough that the person has to be killed that you have to make the last moments of his life the most painful he's ever experienced?
But hey......... you mean to say that the person who the condemed just murdered did not suffer his last moments of his life too?? You mean only condemed persons will suffer...feel the pain??
The murdered person also has to go through these painful last moments of his life.....the ones that bleed slowly to death......the ones that has his skull cracked and enduring a slow and agonizing painful death......the ones that had his lungs punctured and finds himself unable to breath...slowly and painfully. And many more painful deaths! You mean to say murdered victims die instantly.....like in the movies??
Wake up to the reality of the last moments of one's death...
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To forgive them and let them go?? No right?Originally posted by assfer:death penalty is a form of unforgiveness.We must forgive everyone, even murderers!So post in this thread in petition against death penalty in Government Law in Singapore.
IMHO, death penalty is an easy way out for the convicted criminal. They do not have to suffer further physically and mentally once they are dead. In fact, for the hardcore criminals, they are not afraid to commit serious crime because they know that they will be 'realeased' by the death penalty. As for the victim and family, the sorrow and scar will remain with them forever.
Murderers should not be forgiven but must pay for the consequence of their action. Forgive and forget does not apply to them. Neither is death penalty. What should be done is to sentence murderers for life of hard labour, like old time. In this modernize world, there are still many dirty and hard work to be done. Make them do it and start doing their part in the society. Let them suffer with the victim and family members for the remaining years of their life. Let them reflect their action/s throughout their living days. Document it and show it to the world as a deterrence to the criminal proteges. And maybe, the effect will help to prevent the born of another killer. -
2 wrongs don't make a right.Originally posted by FireAndHell:Ah.......yes...yes.....feel pity for the condemed.....do not let him suffer his last moments of his life....hanging can take a while for the condemed to die....it's slow and painful..............dying.....dying.......dying....
But hey......... you mean to say that the person who the condemed just murdered did not suffer his last moments of his life too?? You mean only condemed persons will suffer...feel the pain??
The murdered person also has to go through these painful last moments of his life.....the ones that bleed slowly to death......the ones that has his skull cracked and enduring a slow and agonizing painful death......the ones that had his lungs punctured and finds himself unable to breath...slowly and painfully. And many more painful deaths! You mean to say murdered victims die instantly.....like in the movies??
Wake up to the reality of the last moments of one's death...
And it's not about whether or not the victim's family members are able to forgive them, even if your mum was killed in the most horrible way and you wanted the murderer to suffer, what you're saying isn't justice, it's revenge. I think you've got the two confused. -
omfg you barbaric crazy bastard...Originally posted by bearhug75:To forgive them and let them go?? No right?
IMHO, death penalty is an easy way out for the convicted criminal. They do not have to suffer further physically and mentally once they are dead. In fact, for the hardcore criminals, they are not afraid to commit serious crime because they know that they will be 'realeased' by the death penalty. As for the victim and family, the sorrow and scar will remain with them forever.
Murderers should not be forgiven but must pay for the consequence of their action. Forgive and forget does not apply to them. Neither is death penalty. What should be done is to sentence murderers for life of hard labour, like old time. In this modernize world, there are still many dirty and hard work to be done. Make them do it and start doing their part in the society. Let them suffer with the victim and family members for the remaining years of their life. Let them reflect their action/s throughout their living days. Document it and show it to the world as a deterrence to the criminal proteges. And maybe, the effect will help to prevent the born of another killer.
Why do you think we don't have the same methods of punishment for crime as we did in the medieval times such as the iron maiden and other methods of torture? It's because we've advanced as human beings, we've become more humane. You can't prevent the birth of killers just by trying to deter them. The entire point of putting someone in jail is to rehabilitate them into society and to ensure they aren't capable of hurting anyone anymore. And if they are succesfully rehabilitated they get released on parole (maybe not in Singapore I'm not sure). If one day your entire family got murdered, tortured and raped and you shot the criminal out of anger you'd want to take back what you said. -
It's the law, even if we have many petition, but it is still up to the government to decide the law
but i am not encouraging the death penalty -
God, whatever you percieve Him to be, will do the forgiving.
The earthly consequences one still must face.
The table is round, the rules are fair. You have been warned that if you commit a particular crime, death will be the punishment. That law is harsh, but fair to all.
And in an event, someone is wronged and his death is unwarranted - we could only lament and redress the wrong in whatever way possible. The laws are not flawed, but I wouldn't speak for the jurisdiction. -
The death penalty is meant as a strong deterrence.
Put it this way. When we are taught criminal law, the most simplistic explanation for the purpose of criminal law is this: The purpose of criminal law is to preserve and protect law-abiding citizens and as a tool of social control. Penalties give a practical incentive to obey the law, and censure those who still choose to break the law.
We do lock people up in hopes of rehabilitation. But realistically, its more for retribution. The other two reasons would be expiation and incapacitation. We are not as noble as we hope to be. And really, you can't really rehabilitate criminals by locking them up together. You'll more likely breed smarter criminals when they share tips on how to commit crimes.
As for the death penalty, the only thing I feel is unfair in Singapore is that such cases are heard by only one judge. I personally believe that the jury system is best for such cases. It's been found that juries are typically much better at deciding questions fo fact, leaving the judge free to contend with questions of law. Also, think about it. 12 heads are better than 1. There will be more experience and juries allow community input into what we believe to be right or wrong.
However, in Singapore, that's not going to happen. The next best thing we can have is to have a panel of 3 judges presiding with a majority verdict needed for conviction. While people may complain about the demands on the court system, I think it is only fair given the severity of punishment. Also, once the sentence is carried out, there is lesser by way of compensation if it were a wrongful conviction. I personally believe it is rather frightening that just one person will decide your guilt. -
keep them in prison for the rest of their lives, with their expenses etc covered by you, the taxpayer.
or kill them. your choice. -
Or evade tax?Originally posted by sir_peanuts:keep them in prison for the rest of their lives, with their expenses etc covered by you, the taxpayer.
or kill them. your choice. -
i think death penalty is too, easy and quick. :\
should have something else. -
thats the problem of forgiving
when you forgive someone
that person will think you are stupid
he/she might take advantage of it
and commit the crime again
This is a broken down world
only the top survive -
Just hang them! No point keeping evil doer alive,it is just a waste of money! Send them to Hell and await God`s Judgement!
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Agreed, drugs are good, it cure us of pain while our body can then heal ourselves, but abusing it will be serious, whereby the body become addict to it, Drug abusers are not liable to death sentence, they will be send to rehalibliation centres. It is the trafficking that is liable to death sentencing. With trafficking reduced or stopped, how to get drug?? Thus, reduced drug abuser.Originally posted by kecang_puteh:Drugs are good. They make me high
No supply, no demand.
By nabbing the drug traffickers, the govt solve the problem by nibbing at the bud before the flower grows. -
therefore, death sentence is a deterrence strategy.Originally posted by MohamedF:Imagine the following rational....
"I really hate this guy. I want to kill him. What is there to stop me? The worst I'd get is jail only."
I think this is the main reason why American's prisons are so crowded...
In the history of mankind, i believe innocent people are aplenty and this is the cruelty of life in this aspect. -
When will people understand that smoking is just as bad as drug taking? Make smoking illegal too.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:i think drug traffickers do deserve it. i've seen people whose lives are destroyed by drugs -
Smoke what, opium or marijuna?Originally posted by Spartans:When will people understand that smoking is just as bad as drug taking? Make smoking illegal too. -
You have taken my points out of context. And you are more likely to be a bastard than me.Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:omfg you barbaric crazy bastard...
Why do you think we don't have the same methods of punishment for crime as we did in the medieval times such as the iron maiden and other methods of torture? It's because we've advanced as human beings, we've become more humane. You can't prevent the birth of killers just by trying to deter them. The entire point of putting someone in jail is to rehabilitate them into society and to ensure they aren't capable of hurting anyone anymore. And if they are succesfully rehabilitated they get released on parole (maybe not in Singapore I'm not sure). If one day your entire family got murdered, tortured and raped and you shot the criminal out of anger you'd want to take back what you said.
I said hard labour, like old but not like in those medieval times where you once had a life.????. Those times are long gone. Make their life hard, not torture them. Let them reflect what they have done and let those who learn of their story think hard of the consequences. We do have advance as human but becoming more humane? Ask those genocide victim in Darfur or those monks in Myanmar. Advancing only meant that murderders are smarter in action and the authorities are more advance to be ahead of them.
The idea of jailing a criminal is not only to rehabilitate them. It is also to keep them away from society for good. That is why your country may have sentence without parole. What is the idea to jail them without parole? To pay for their deadly crime. For taking another one's life. You take one, you pay with yours. Better in jail than to be 'murdered' on the gallow or by lethal injection. If they are rehabilitate, they can still contribute to society from where they are. Be a counselor to the younger offenders, be a pastor, inventor or whatever that is possible and useful to the society. You might wanna check your closet for items made in prison.
And if one day I shoot the murderer of my entire family, I have the confidence that the justice system will put me away for a period of time, but not for life. -
Forgiveness is one thing, punishment is another. Don't mix the two. I can forgive murderers doesn't mean they run away scott-free from what they did.
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Capital punishment and honour killings are sinful, yet Iran allows it on religious grounds.
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aussies are against it, i say again xD
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but death penalty is better thn whole life sleep in jail right?
death penalty so fast thn settle.. less thn make it 5 mins ba..
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if is a he, i will give him a b1tch,
a broken condom,
1/2 of tissue,
1/2 water of a vitagen bottle...
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Once he is hang and dead, he is forgiven and forgotten.
Ya, death penalty is Singapore.