Beware of the Glorification/Mis-representation of Job titles
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Also avoid building a career in Singaporean styled large company.
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well. You have to know one thing or two. If there is nothing else- just take what you can first. Money is not everything - the importance is to work on gaining certain skills to put on your CV.Originally posted by New Creation:hmm well there are established MA programs which pays like avg of $2.7k in (marine & shipping sector), $2.8-$3k (banking and finance sector), $2.7-2.8K (property sector). I got these pay estimates from my classmates who are already hired in such positions.
Hence, i think for MA positions, it is ridiculous for it to be like 2.1K? And considering the above estimates, i only quoted my expected salary at 2.5K.. (considering they are a Bleedy rich airline, which ranks like 325 out of fortunes 500 companies)?
At least for me, i do recognize that money do not fall freely from the sky, and i was trying to ask for a fair value for my work done. In this case, i asked 2.5K cz it was a rich airline. I mean of course if i attended an interview in a FMCG company for a marketing executive position, of cz.. i would quote a lower expected salary of say 2.2K.
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If I was so worried about monetary rewards , I won't have the opportunities I have now. It's balancing your "investments" aka skills and career growth for maximum profitability. Never mind if the pay is low - as long as it pays off in the long run. I could have continued earning my pay as a nurse in Australia playing it safe but I will never get the offer I got now to do my further studies or hope in hell to work in what I really wanted to do or earn as quickly as I could now.
You must know why that airline company is on the top rich list. Maximum profit minimum losses through employing cheap labour. The only thing you want out of it is stating that you have worked there for 2 years and you have done this and that on your CV.
Don't get cycled into the part of where you think your degree is not fantastic that is why you cannot go. That is a self defeatist attitude. It is all about skills now. Who gives a damn when it comes to firing if you have a straight A degree and still cannot do that job properly?
That was the point I was trying to bring to you. -
work experience is most impt for newly grads
i know grads with first class honors who could only get jobs paying 2.1k last year.
You're going in expecting too much. Why should they pay you 2.5k when there are ppl willing to work for 2.1k? Especially since you have no experience. -
you were a nurse ? The last time i visted a hospital in Sydney...my nose bled..even the docsOriginally posted by fymk:well. You have to know one thing or two. If there is nothing else- just take what you can first. Money is not everything - the importance is to work on gaining certain skills to put on your CV.
If I was so worried about monetary rewards , I won't have the opportunities I have now. It's balancing your "investments" aka skills and career growth for maximum profitability. Never mind if the pay is low - as long as it pays off in the long run. I could have continued earning my pay as a nurse in Australia playing it safe but I will never get the offer I got now to do my further studies or hope in hell to work in what I really wanted to do or earn as quickly as I could now.
You must know why that airline company is on the top rich list. Maximum profit minimum losses through employing cheap labour. The only thing you want out of it is stating that you have worked there for 2 years and you have done this and that on your CV.
Don't get cycled into the part of where you think your degree is not fantastic that is why you cannot go. That is a self defeatist attitude. It is all about skills now. Who gives a damn when it comes to firing if you have a straight A degree and still cannot do that job properly?
That was the point I was trying to bring to you.
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Gazelle calls me the bloody nurse in the other topic u posted in. So I am kinda surprised you didn't know.Originally posted by kramnave:you were a nurse ? The last time i visted a hospital in Sydney...my nose bled..even the docs -
You got cheap labours, cheap foreign talents, so you tends to have cheap fresh graduates.
In an open economy like us, you do not set your foresight to compete within the domestic labour markets, you compete with the global labour markets.
Yes, it is a tight labour market out there, but it is a tight global labour markets where I can employ a foreign talent for as low as $1000 to enter the india or china markets, to run my IT dept or alternatively, i can employ an ang mo for 3k just to have a better leverage with European or so call the west countries.
So what is Sg graduates going to do, if you are going to labour yourself, you may get frustrated in a long run with cheap foreign talents competing with you. My suggestion is be creative and think of how to create a business that have the niche in our current economy.
Be a boss. -
Pay aside, how does a fresh grad determine that they will be productive once they land the job?
I heard Crane operators are making 8K a month. if money's the only thing, then being a crane operator is good money. -
I hardly read flamming posts unless its directed at meOriginally posted by fymk:Gazelle calls me the bloody nurse in the other topic u posted in. So I am kinda surprised you didn't know.
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Take a quick look at the current job offers and you will see most require experience. I really wonder how fresh graduates cope with this.
Glorification of job titles...Haha...you know, a sales person can be known as an Accounts Manager?
Sales job usually generate higher pay (basic+comm+allowance+etc) if you are good with sales... -
hey point taken. Thanks for clarifying especially abt the part not to adopt self-loser attitude. Thanks bro ;-)Originally posted by fymk:well. You have to know one thing or two. If there is nothing else- just take what you can first. Money is not everything - the importance is to work on gaining certain skills to put on your CV.
If I was so worried about monetary rewards , I won't have the opportunities I have now. It's balancing your "investments" aka skills and career growth for maximum profitability. Never mind if the pay is low - as long as it pays off in the long run. I could have continued earning my pay as a nurse in Australia playing it safe but I will never get the offer I got now to do my further studies or hope in hell to work in what I really wanted to do or earn as quickly as I could now.
You must know why that airline company is on the top rich list. Maximum profit minimum losses through employing cheap labour. The only thing you want out of it is stating that you have worked there for 2 years and you have done this and that on your CV.
Don't get cycled into the part of where you think your degree is not fantastic that is why you cannot go. That is a self defeatist attitude. It is all about skills now. Who gives a damn when it comes to firing if you have a straight A degree and still cannot do that job properly?
That was the point I was trying to bring to you. -
Wow 8K!!!!! a month.. ok.. i think this is a specialized skill set, the dude needs perfect eyesight, years of experience. and also special operator licensing..bah. But still hey. respect man. for the crane operators.Originally posted by mistyblue:Pay aside, how does a fresh grad determine that they will be productive once they land the job?
I heard Crane operators are making 8K a month. if money's the only thing, then being a crane operator is good money. -
true true.. angel. Hmm... chee.. if the job market is so tight.. Koaz.. why is the Press saying that its a Booming Job market out there?? sign...Originally posted by angel7030:You got cheap labours, cheap foreign talents, so you tends to have cheap fresh graduates.
In an open economy like us, you do not set your foresight to compete within the domestic labour markets, you compete with the global labour markets.
Yes, it is a tight labour market out there, but it is a tight global labour markets where I can employ a foreign talent for as low as $1000 to enter the india or china markets, to run my IT dept or alternatively, i can employ an ang mo for 3k just to have a better leverage with European or so call the west countries.
So what is Sg graduates going to do, if you are going to labour yourself, you may get frustrated in a long run with cheap foreign talents competing with you. My suggestion is be creative and think of how to create a business that have the niche in our current economy.
Be a boss.
hmm well if u have any good business idea let me.. know.. We can enter into a venture or something. I do not have much capita; ha but i see what i can raise bah ;-) -
hmm yeah.. you know.. i realized that the title "marketing executive" has been grossly misrepresented as well.Originally posted by Cro-Magnon:Take a quick look at the current job offers and you will see most require experience. I really wonder how fresh graduates cope with this.
Glorification of job titles...Haha...you know, a sales person can be known as an Accounts Manager?
Sales job usually generate higher pay (basic+comm+allowance+etc) if you are good with sales...
I have seen numerous job descriptions and it seems like to be a saikang warrior job title. These saikang includes
1) Calculating the budgeting and forecast
2) preparing inventory checklist
3) prepare (RFQs), request for quotes
4) train up newbies
and a lot more saikang....
Wah Respect man.. to the marketing exes.. out there.. ;-).. Respect! -
Originally posted by New Creation:
Do you expect not to do those as a "degree" holder? You start at the bottom , you do the crap. That's the way it is all around the world. Then you carve the niche for yourself and go for higher paying jobs . Go look at the saikang descriptions again - I put what you can place in your CV. Don't tell me you can do them very well when you are a fresh grad.
hmm yeah.. you know.. i realized that the title "marketing executive" has been grossly misrepresented as well.
I have seen numerous job descriptions and it seems like to be a saikang warrior job title. These saikang includes
1) Calculating the budgeting and forecast <- Data analysis skills
2) preparing inventory checklist <- organisational skills
3) prepare (RFQs), request for quotes <- writing skills
4) train up newbies <- promote and support organisational changes as well as supervisory skills
and a lot more saikang....
Wah Respect man.. to the marketing exes.. out there.. ;-).. Respect!
In my current job, I still do budgeting, statistical analysis and forecasting. I still do my own photocopying , prepare documents for design specifications, prepare request for tenders and I like training people.
I get paid 60k+ per annum for that and I got 8 years of working experience (almost 2 years in administration). Junior colleague f**Ks up on the work - it has a domino effect- I get f**ked up as well. So I need to know damn well what they are doing and whether they can do it or not. How would I know if I don't know how the organisation runs?
So tell me again how are those saikang ? Don't be arrogant. -
Oh and in some MLM companies almost everyone's a MANAGER!
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In a marine industry, a fitter can chalked over 200hrs of overtime with a take of paid of 5-8k too, and in certain cases more than an engineer, more than their manager. But such paid come with a price, such crane operators or marine workers have to sacrifice weekends, work overnites, leaving no time for family or social life. Yet it is labour intensive and dangerous.Originally posted by mistyblue:Pay aside, how does a fresh grad determine that they will be productive once they land the job?
I heard Crane operators are making 8K a month. if money's the only thing, then being a crane operator is good money. -
In SAF:
Admin Support Asst is actually low-class bangala, free labour, target board for arrows, kopi boy cum cleaner.
Company Quarter Master Sgt is saikang warrior, target board to sign 1206
Supply Asst is low class bangala construction worker/mover.