Victim of Hardsell tactics at California Fitness Gym
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then for what u go there.
giv them a pc of ur mind lah.
who ask u act like meek lamb.
of coz they wan dok u lah. -
It is 4am now and I can't sleep. Keep worrying about my savings.
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Sigh... you should've just walked out the building straight away. If i keep getting harassed i would just treat the people harassing me as non-existent.
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I understand Edmund's situation. Sometimes, it can get too overwhelming when they get a whole bunch of idiots to psycho you into buying something you don't want to and that is scheming. I fully support Edmund's decision of going to CASE and do it fast too! They have no right to pressure anyone into signing any deals regardless of how large or small the amount. Bullying tactics that's what they are applying.
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Think MLMOriginally posted by BeautifulBetty:Sometimes, it can get too overwhelming when they get a whole bunch of idiots to psycho you into buying something you don't want to and that is scheming. -
they like so despo to get you in.
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why you sign?
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TS - there is no need for you to go to CASE.
Simply call up your credit card company and ask for a dispute form - on the form state that the vendor charged you a sum before you signed any approval and forced you to sign after that, and this was against your will.
Simple - they will protect their own customer. -
I encountered as wat TS encountered b4...
they charged $5000 on my credit card without my approval or signature...
I fuk them upside down
And I threathened to lodge police report lor...
then, they hum chee... and credit back my $5000... -
TS wouldn't have been in this nonsense, if he wasn't greedy for the 1st *free trial* of 2 weeks access to the gym.
The minute TS went to the gym, it was like a welcome invitation to corner him and do some hardselling straight up. They have realised that such tactics work, thats why after so many years, they are still giving out *free 2 weeks passes*.
I think in this case, its TS own weakness. Of course California Fitness is guilty of Hard-selling, but given the way TS described it, he would have fallen prey to any other Hard-selling companies out there, due to his inability to enforce a *NO* response.
I was a victim of Hard-selling tactic by California fitness too, in early 2007. It reached the stage whereby my Credit card was swiped, and the slip was placed in front of my, just awaiting my signature.
I refused to sign it, throwing up some excuse that I needed the money and forced them to tear up the slips in front of me before leaving the place. Obviously they had very black faces, but hey, I saved a thousand bucks. -
I do not understand why in the first place you are at that fitness centre. There are cheap government fitness centre where at a mere price of 2.50SGD per entry. There are also instructors there who will give you advices and trainings that you truely need. Also, you can make frens with the patrons there who will also give you good advices.
That place is well know for hard selling. No matter how confusing it is, you do not have to sign anything. They can credit one million credits into ur account but at the end of the day, if you did not agree to it, you have nothing to worry about. But by signing something, somehow the situation is made complicated.
Reporting to CASE seems to be a good idea as a revenue for grievences but they are rather powerless at times.
Can't find a girlfriend if you are not a hunk been trained at that fitness centre. Oh pls, you don't need thick muscles, you need thick wallet. And most of the time, you will need neither.
As adviced, try to call your credit card company and fill up the form to stop the transaction as it is aganist your will. Then call up CASE and report them. Now is not the time to act meek and humble. Act fast and tell off anyone that gets in your way. You can do it! -
free trials are actually a coy to get u into their vicnity and using hard selling u...
not happened only to gym but oso beauty salons. -
saddening. bad customer service. I wonder if I can go dere and play along if they pester me like Edmund
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I was at CF before for a tour of the place.
I didnt want to join so I said I will go home and consider-I just walked away.
Over the next few weeks,I think they tried to call me on my hp...using my now expired pager number! -
What TS say is true... that they try to hard sell. I did not face that problem in Bangkok gym though. Maybe as a foreigner, they dare not do it to me.. because I will look at them with a blur look like I don't understand a word that they are saying.
Maybe what TS needs are some techniques to deal with hard selling sales people. -
The above advice is not a good advice.Originally posted by Rigante:TS - there is no need for you to go to CASE.
Simply call up your credit card company and ask for a dispute form - on the form state that the vendor charged you a sum before you signed any approval and forced you to sign after that, and this was against your will.
Simple - they will protect their own customer.
TS should go to CASE personally as soon as possible to lodge the report to get the contract cancelled. Any delay in doing so would weaken your case.
Cancelling payment doesnt help if the contract is still in force.
In fact, by cancelling payment, TS is defaulting payment, he can be sued for defaulting payment or be asked to pay interest.
Go to CASE is the best option.
Location - http://www.case.org.sg/contactus.htm
Think you have to pay admin fee.
patgoh -
If you did not want to sign the contract then you should never do it.Originally posted by EdmundHeng80:I did not want to sign the contract. If he DID NOT SAY THAT 'I have already credited the bill to your card" i would just walk away.
But he already did the billing without my permission, what can I do? I was so confused and tired. After getting harassed more than 1 hour by 3 instructors. Plus the manager. I didnt know what to do.
So what they credit the bill to your card - 1st place how did they get your card ? nevermind !!! Anyway even they credit it , they can uncredit it, card machine can do it. So what they credit it - you can call the bank to say - you never agreed to it and never sign for it ........ then that transaction will be on hold ... for investigation which they do not have any signature - to prove of purchase.
Well you could have on the spot threatened to sue them for illegal transaction of card without your authorisation .
So what 3 -4 guy surround you ... just tell them - you are getting out ... if they stand in the way ... you will call police and sue them for threatening and illegal retention of people. They touch you .... you can sue them till you no need to work ... they feed you everymonth.
Why your brain is so weak !!! No mean no !!! just walk out !!!
You are a victim of not hardselling tactics but a victim of your own bloody weak mind. -
Go to CASE pronto.
Although you have signed the contract, you are allowed few days cooling off period to change your mind. Don't know how many days it is. But don't delay any longer. -
I have been a member there for more than a year alreaedy. I was exercising alone when 1 instructor just came to me and said wanted to show me proper technique. I wanted to be left alone but he seemed sincere in helping me, and he talk non stop anyway. After showing me abs n biceps, he got another guy to come over...then 2 instructors talking non stop etc etc. Keep saying must test my body on a machine to see how fat/muscular I am. So i wanted to do it to keep their mouth shut. I didnt expect it to continue for so long.Originally posted by Terribear:TS wouldn't have been in this nonsense, if he wasn't greedy for the 1st *free trial* of 2 weeks access to the gym.
The minute TS went to the gym, it was like a welcome invitation to corner him and do some hardselling straight up. They have realised that such tactics work, thats why after so many years, they are still giving out *free 2 weeks passes*.
I think in this case, its TS own weakness. Of course California Fitness is guilty of Hard-selling, but given the way TS described it, he would have fallen prey to any other Hard-selling companies out there, due to his inability to enforce a *NO* response.
I was a victim of Hard-selling tactic by California fitness too, in early 2007. It reached the stage whereby my Credit card was swiped, and the slip was placed in front of my, just awaiting my signature.
I refused to sign it, throwing up some excuse that I needed the money and forced them to tear up the slips in front of me before leaving the place. Obviously they had very black faces, but hey, I saved a thousand bucks.
I called CASE up, got appointment with them tmr. Sigh. Must wait till tmr.... -
Useless one... go to case for what? It is not like they cheated you. It is not like they you want to take back your money for good reasons but they refuse.
Go to CASE for what? -
If you have been a member for more than 1 year, then I think your case is weak.Originally posted by EdmundHeng80:I have been a member there for more than a year alreaedy. I was exercising alone when 1 instructor just came to me and said wanted to show me proper technique. I wanted to be left alone but he seemed sincere in helping me, and he talk non stop anyway. After showing me abs n biceps, he got another guy to come over...then 2 instructors talking non stop etc etc. Keep saying must test my body on a machine to see how fat/muscular I am. So i wanted to do it to keep their mouth shut. I didnt expect it to continue for so long.
I called CASE up, got appointment with them tmr. Sigh. Must wait till tmr....
You can try CASE, but I personally think that your chance of getting the conctract cancelled is slim.
patgoh -
everytime i walk by there, there will be salesman wanting to intro me to the gym.
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You going to trust a blur blur guy words on what happen there ? If he has a logical or ok mind - he would not have got into this situation. So his story here may be 1/2 the story only.Originally posted by Stoat:From the way TS described the situation, i think the staff there were using their 'muscular bodies' to block his way and corner him which might amount to criminal intimidation.
Signing something under duress/criminal intimidation is not valid. Lodge a police report asap and give those buggers hell.
How dumb or ego guy he is - when he does not have the money, still let people proceed with the sale - just because the guy already credit it .... did he object - from the whole event he never say a no ...... !!! Suddenly go back home than he change his mind.... -
why not just go to Gyms under goverment , Cc gyms....
Bedok got , tampines got ..... no one to disturd u . -
Give the TS a break; don't be quick making judgement of a person's intelligence basing on this single incident. He is here only to ask for advise. I supposed you must be a street-wise and strong minded person and will not succumb to such hard-sell tactics but I guess the TS is not like you in this matter. I am sure he has learnt his lesson and will not fall for such sale tactic in the future. I am sure this tactic has worked for these trainers for them to keep on using it.Originally posted by storywolf:You going to trust a blur blur guy words on what happen there ? If he has a logical or ok mind - he would not have got into this situation. So his story here may be 1/2 the story only.
How dumb or ego guy he is - when he does not have the money, still let people proceed with the sale - just because the guy already credit it .... did he object - from the whole event he never say a no ...... !!! Suddenly go back home than he change his mind....
He may not be able to get his money back but going to CASE to lodge a complaint may make California Fitness be more mindful of their "bullying" ways in making a sale.