SG girls dont appreciate the guys.
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No sir, just some of the boys i met, they can boost their flamboyance and machoism with each other, but when they meet us, they look like a mouse..Originally posted by THE ANALYST:Angel 7030, are you saying that I am one of those who like to whine and be timid in front of the gal? -
cause they look at u.Originally posted by angel7030:No sir, just some of the boys i met, they can boost their flamboyance and machoism with each other, but when they meet us, they look like a mouse..
see a cat
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No i am not kidding.Originally posted by Gedanken:Tell me you're kidding.
No i am not clueless.U are wrong. Going solo i am game for it. In fact i agree. However, my respond is not about wooing girls now. Its trying to bad mouth them , or anything gender related in anything ranging from arguments to generalising them , they will stand together. THAT was my point. Unfortunately many have misunderstood.Originally posted by ScottishBeef:You are absolutely clueless.
It's EASIER and more challenging to approach a group of women as a single guy, it shows a high level of confidence/self awareness.
Chances are, if you approach a group of women, at least one will be interested in you, because women feel more comfortable in groups, and are less defensive than when they are by themselves, expecting every guy that comes up to them to hit on them.
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but it's getting more and more ridiculous lehOriginally posted by EarlNeo:Why close the thread? It is very entertaining and enlightening at the same time. Its always great to have a view of other people perspective at time. Make u look at the world a whole new way again. Else life is just going to be way too bore to even worth living.
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moiOriginally posted by angel7030:No sir, just some of the boys i met, they can boost their flamboyance and machoism with each other, but when they meet us, they look like a mouse..
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Well, i thot army boys must parade themselve smartly to face the public, how can u go up a bus or MRT smelling like shit, look at those US army, when they check out the camp, they are so smartly dressed decorated with medals and guy's perfume ready to embrace their love ones.Originally posted by Gedanken:Say what?
Going shopping in uniform? WTF happened to this man's army?!
To point out something obvious enough for Stevie Wonder to see, officer cadets are called cadets because they've still got their training wheels on - they're not real soldiers yet. For all of your nattering about what SAF stands for, you seem to have GQ in mind instead.
Not all of us are REMFs who have the luxury of prettying themselves up for the ignorant public's benefit. When I've just spent five days out in the field eating canned slop and taking cover in the least damp spot I can find, the first thing I'm going to do when I get back to barracks is drop my gear, get an order list from all the lads of what they want to eat and head down to the nearest hawker centre to get it. If you happen to be in the neighbourhood when I'm there, rest assured that your olfactory sensibilities sit right at the bottom of my list of priorities, if they make the list at all. I've got absolutely no problems about how I smell because I've gotten that way doing real work, useless concessions to Miss Manners' code of hygiene be damned.
What do you know of how other countries' populations treat their national servicemen? When we were in Taiwan, we stank to high heaven after trudging over hill after hill throughout the day, and civilians still came up to us and offered us shelter in their own homes so we wouldn't have to spend the night freezing our nuts off. It's a far cry from your call for a pretty, sweet-smelling, spit-and-polish army - them folks had a clear idea of what soldiers do, which is more than I can say for you.
Until you get a clue of what soldiering's about, I suggest that you steer clear of the topic - frankly, you're too ignorant to have any business telling anyone what a soldier should do. There's no demand for absolute deference to NS men, but this sort of sanctimony is ludicrous, especially when coming from someone who obviously lacks the first clue.
If your seniors never teach you about hygiene and serve the public well, i think most of our taxes paid to SAF must hv gone to waste. For every successful soldier, there stand behind a successful woman with him thru thick and thin.
I may be not be a soldier, but I had been a school brownie before, we had 2 sets of uniform, and we were told after training to clean ourselve up, wear the new uniform nicely to give a good impression upon the public that we are discipline and ready to serve.
As far as this is concern, soldier should hve a good image in the public, for your training, of course you can be dirty and smelly, if not you aint a good soldier. And lastly if not the least, good soldier don't whine, respect the ladies and carry on with his job. -
Do u know the meaning of "us", not me only ok.Originally posted by Daisuke-kun:cause they look at u.
see a cat
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I do agree that while soldiers are out there doing hard training in the field, they should make the effort to look clean and decent once they are out of camp.
In that respect, Angel 7030 has a point.
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I dun hold anything, it sound dirty to me to hold on to something.Originally posted by THE ANALYST:I do agree that while soldiers are out there doing hard training in the field, they should make the effort to look clean and decent once they are out of camp.
In that respect, Angel 7030 has a point.
And to Angel 7030, I already made my most sincerest apologies if I sounded confrontational, do you still hold it against me?
Remember 1/3 of our national revenues goes to SAF, it is the most expensive non-profit organisation here. So please, stand up for Singapore ya. -
Yes, stand up for Singapore, starting with the 2010 Youth Olympics bid!
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Soldiers look better ruggard and sweaty.
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yest in holland v, wah, can see loads of asian women with ang moh men. i read somewhere, there are currently more sggirls than sgboys.
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Oh, so now you're an expert on American military affairs, are you? How much time have you spent stateside, and how many American soldiers do you know? Do you know any army wives, Singaporean or otherwise, and how they view their husbands' jobs? If not, what can you claim about knowing about the successful women behind the successful soldiers?Originally posted by angel7030:Well, i thot army boys must parade themselve smartly to face the public, how can u go up a bus or MRT smelling like shit, look at those US army, when they check out the camp, they are so smartly dressed decorated with medals and guy's perfume ready to embrace their love ones.
If your seniors never teach you about hygiene and serve the public well, i think most of our taxes paid to SAF must hv gone to waste. For every successful soldier, there stand behind a successful woman with him thru thick and thin.
I may be not be a soldier, but I had been a school brownie before, we had 2 sets of uniform, and we were told after training to clean ourselve up, wear the new uniform nicely to give a good impression upon the public that we are discipline and ready to serve.
As far as this is concern, soldier should hve a good image in the public, for your training, of course you can be dirty and smelly, if not you aint a good soldier. And lastly if not the least, good soldier don't whine, respect the ladies and carry on with his job.
Ooooh, school Brownies - I guess that makes you a twenty-star general, doesn't it? Wake up and smell the coffee. Did you have to stay out for weeks at a time without resupply, much less amenities such as showers? Have you been stuck in the middle of a 6-hour downpour with no hope of even a change of socks for the next week? Have you carried 55kg of gear on your back up and down thickly-overgrown hills for 35 kilometres, then make sure your post is hidden not only from your surroundings but from the air as well, and then uproot everything the next morning to do it all over again day after day?
If the answer to the above is no, then get a grip and stop trying to pretend that you know what you're talking about.
Your ignorance is astounding. Your pitiful tax dollars don't go to creating pretty boys who strut up and down MRT stations smelling like a bunch of roses - your tax dollars go to making sure your ungrateful arse is kept safe.
I'll concede that when booking out, soldiers are expected to maintain a minimum of bearing and presentation. What I have a problem with is your sweeping generalisation that soldiers need to be prettied up like OCS cadets, clean-shaven, dressed in long sleeves and (gag) looking handsome.
Yes, I've done the whole prettied-up routine as part of the guard of honour at the NDP. The fact is that it's got bugger-all to do with being a good soldier - give me a sloppy, stinky bugger who can shoot straight and cover my back anytime.
Since you obviously lack the insight, I'll put in in perspective for you. A nurse in A&E has had someone bleed all over her during her shift, and she's on the homeward-bound bus smelling like an abbatoir. Are you going to hold it against her and say she's a bad nurse?
Grow up and get a grip on reality. If, and that's a big if, you're going to judge anyone, judge them by their actions, not by how they look or smell. Right now you're as bad as the thread starter, running off with red herring.
Hell, I'm well out of the game these days so I don't have a vested interest. I've traded in camouflage gear for merino wool, Egyptian cotton and hand-woven silk, but having been on the sharp end on national policy, I'll always give the respect that our lads in uniform deserve instead of harping on about irrelevant BS. -
If that was the full extent of Angel's point, I'd never have taken exception. On the other hand, if someone's going to go saying stupid things, I've got no qualms about setting them straight.Originally posted by THE ANALYST:I do agree that while soldiers are out there doing hard training in the field, they should make the effort to look clean and decent once they are out of camp.
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Double post.
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I appreciate the sentiment, but rest assured there's nothing confrontational or "emotional" about this - I'm just telling it the way it is.Originally posted by THE ANALYST:Gendaken,
while Angel 7030 might not be right in every way, please do not sound too confrontational. Relax and take things easy! We can all resolve our differences and come to consensus as long as we use our head instead of just slagging each other off and becoming emotional.
You can see from my posts earlier in this thread that I'm absolutely under no illusion that a Singaporean male's having served NS results in any obligation for adulation from Singaporean women - Rudyard Kipling had his finger right on the button with his poem Tommy.
On the other hand, Angel's hallucionogen-induced Doris Day view of things is unfair to the point of outright stupidity. During my service and my travels, I've had the privelege of meeting and learning from soldiers who've been there and done that; I've asked a US Special Forces soldier what it was like to share a jug of beer with me when he had previously killed men who don't look all that different from me; I've spent the better part of an evening keeping a veteran of the battle of Long Tan from disintegrating right before my very eyes; I've had hard-learned lessons passed on to me by members of the British and Australian SAS. From the proud to the dishevelled, each and every of these men are more than deserving of anybody's unmitigated respect, yet none of them demand it.
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A correction needs to be made.
I never said that SG girls look down on NS men.
I said that NS is one of the factors which makes SG men less outgoing, less individualistic, more uniform (ie- sameness), than western/caucasian men.
I dont think SG girls look down on SG men for doing NS. In fact, SG girls are damn glad they dont have to do themselves and it's the guys who do.
And Gedanken,
It sounds like you must have life fully under control, with a veritable harem of Jamie Yeo caliber ladies.
Since you sound so sophisticated, classy, intelligent and educated, perhaps you wouldn't mind showing your copious Singaporean generosity and help me become a better person, like yourself?
I mean, it's easy for everyone to be a critic.
But it takes style, class and maturity to go beyond just abusing people, and being generous with your time and knowledge, to be someone who inspires others, to be a great as you possibly can,...and you are such a person, yes?
Yours sincerely,
OWTF.Originally posted by Gedanken:All we've heard is the threadstarter's side of the story. We don't know if:
1) The three girls in question are Singaporeans
2) Said three girls are from university
What we do know is that the TS is a whingy little piece of work who blames parents NS and anything he can get his hands on to blame for his failures. All Singaporean males are subject to NS, and many, if not most, Singaporeans experience parental pressure. Why does this guy fail when many other Singaporeans succeed? Let's face it - if any one of us came across someone who loves whinng about everything under the sun instead of getting his act sorted out, would we want to associate with such a sad and sorry individual?
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MR. Gedanken? I find you very ungentleman, and so what that i admit with a 'no' for your enquries in whether i have been thru army hardship, I am a gal ok, why should i go thru that, and you keep whining here about your hardship and pain in the army. COme on men! you are a guy ok. Take the hardshp and endure with it, haven't you learn tolerance???.Originally posted by Gedanken:Oh, so now you're an expert on American military affairs, are you? How much time have you spent stateside, and how many American soldiers do you know?
Ooooh, school Brownies - I guess that makes you a twenty-star general, doesn't it? Wake up and smell the coffee. Did you have to stay out for weeks at a time without resupply, much less amenities such as showers? Have you been stuck in the middle of a 6-hour downpour with no hope of even a change of socks for the next week? Have you carried 55kg of gear on your back up and down thickly-forested hills for 35 kilometres, then make sure your post is hidden not only from your surroundings but from the air as well, and then uproot everything the next morning to do it all over again day after day?
If the answer to the above is no, then get a grip and stop trying to pretend that you know what you're talking about.
Your ignorance is astounding. Your pitiful tax dollars don't go to creating pretty boys who strut up and down MRT stations smelling like a bunch of roses - your tax dollars go to making sure your ungrateful arse is kept safe.
I'll concede that when booking out, soldiers are expected to maintain a minimum of bearing and presentation. What I have a problem with is your sweeping generalisation that soldiers need to be prettied up like OCS cadets, clean-shaven, dressed in long sleeves and (gag) looking handsome.
Yes, I've done the whole prettied-up routine as part of the guard of honour at the NDP. The fact is that it's got bugger-all to do with being a good soldier - give me a sloppy, stinky bugger who can shoot straight and cover my back anytime.
Hell, I'm well out of the game these days so I don't have a vested interest. I've traded in camouflage gear for merino wool, Egyptian cotton and hand-woven silk, but having been on the sharp end on national policy, I'll always give the respect that our lads in uniform deserve instead of harping on about irrelevant BS.
Since history, men are suppose to take care of womenfolks and childrens, and right here, you are whining about all the difficulties in the army and asking me to compare with it, ya, MR. you very good, worked so hard, trained so hard, but so are all the others, it is a Call of DUTY ok! A duty you can uphold and check out nicely to embrace by your love ones.
For you info, about those US army uniform, I only watched it on movies.
Your whining self do confess that you need to check out of you hotel camp at least be presentable enough not to stink the MRT or other public places, I am not asking soldiers to be on par with cadets, but at least smell normal ok. And if the SAF soldiers cannot discipline themselves to stay clean and nice in the public, i dun think they are going to shoot straight as one lack the discipline of being a soldier but rather just go thru the motion to complete his NS only. -
Then perhaps you should phrase your replies more clearly.Originally posted by BadzMaro:No i am not clueless.U are wrong. Going solo i am game for it. In fact i agree. However, my respond is not about wooing girls now. Its trying to bad mouth them , or anything gender related in anything ranging from arguments to generalising them , they will stand together. THAT was my point. Unfortunately many have misunderstood. -
Ahhhh, OK.Originally posted by angel7030:MR. Gedanken? I find you very ungentleman, and so what that i admit with a 'no' for your enquries in whether i have been thru army hardship, I am a gal ok, why should i go thru that, and you keep whining here about your hardship and pain in the army. COme on men! you are a guy ok. Take the hardshp and endure with it, haven't you learn tolerance???.
Since history, men are suppose to take care of womenfolks and childrens, and right here, you are whining about all the difficulties in the army and asking me to compare with it, ya, MR. you very good, worked so hard, trained so hard, but so are all the others, it is a Call of DUTY ok! A duty you can uphold and check out nicely to embrace by your love ones.
For you info, about those US army uniform, I only watched it on movies.
Your whining self do confess that you need to check out of you hotel camp at least be presentable enough not to stink the MRT or other public places, I am not asking soldiers to be on par with cadets, but at least smell normal ok. And if the SAF soldiers cannot discipline themselves to stay clean and nice in the public, i dun think they are going to shoot straight as one lack the discipline of being a soldier but rather just go thru the motion to complete his NS only.
So you haven't got any clue what it's like to be out in the boonies, and vis-a-vis, all that humbug about smelling nice for (gag) embracing loved ones in US uniform is nothing by a Hollywood pipe dream. Nuff said.
I'm perfectly capable of acting like a gentleman to a lady. Trouble is, I don't see one here.
That's funny - I agree that I'm not the only one who's worked and trained hard. Hell, that's my point in the first place, and in light of the bigger picture of a soldier's role I'm not too fussed about how they smell. Somehow, you seem to think that they're there to look pretty, smell good and embrace their loved ones in uniform.
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1) Army boys cannot smoke in public in their No.4 and that's all I know. When i 'm in reservist now, i smoked like nobody's business in my no.4. And I think u had watched too much TV liao. If you stayed near Tanah Merah, you will know that at Tanah Merah MRT station, there's always alot of saliors from US Navy. They book out in CV (if u understand wat is CV). And some of them stink. yes they do. Cos they are human too.Originally posted by angel7030:Well, i thot army boys must parade themselve smartly to face the public, how can u go up a bus or MRT smelling like shit, look at those US army, when they check out the camp, they are so smartly dressed decorated with medals and guy's perfume ready to embrace their love ones.
If your seniors never teach you about hygiene and serve the public well, i think most of our taxes paid to SAF must hv gone to waste. For every successful soldier, there stand behind a successful woman with him thru thick and thin.
I may be not be a soldier, but I had been a school brownie before, we had 2 sets of uniform, and we were told after training to clean ourselve up, wear the new uniform nicely to give a good impression upon the public that we are discipline and ready to serve.
As far as this is concern, soldier should hve a good image in the public, for your training, of course you can be dirty and smelly, if not you aint a good soldier. And lastly if not the least, good soldier don't whine, respect the ladies and carry on with his job.
2) FYI, u r correct, it is a waste but then, to some working adults, going reservist is like a holiday. And by the way, its not us who wasted the tax payers' money, i'm a tax payer too! We're merely answer the call of duty from gahmen. Think properly, US is a country that will always go to war or conflict. Sg is not.
3) What i remembered from my NSF time is that we had 4 sets of uniform, one of them will be the smartest 4. You are brownie during your ECA where you are not confined in a location for long period of time. Imagine been a brownie for 5 days straight from the moment u wake up til u sleep, Mondays to Fridays Imagine been like this for 2 yrs... for every single day (except weekends and public holidays). So for us guys, we already bo chap. Even female regulars also bo chap. I used to serve 5.5 days for 2.5 yrs.... sad.
4) I think the general public has quite a good understanding of wat the SAF is all about. And about good soldiers don't whine? I dun think so. Seen alot of high fliers whining about cookhouse food sucks.
And yes. I agree. Most if not all NSF are going through motion to complete NSF. For those garang one, they usually end up quite sad. haha -
Page 9 liao.. still no stop eh?
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diam lah diam lah...
this is not views anymore... flame war....
anyway, i prefer army men to look smart and proud of serving the country lor... afterall, it was LKY that brought up SG n it is SG that give u a place n slowly a roof to stay in...
be proud lah.. if not proud, go do operation lor...
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First, I hope u quit smoking, bad for health, secondly, u smoke with uniform on is quite a disrespect of the arm forces. Thirdly, am i correct to say that SAF after training so hard was not even tested. What happen if there is going to be an invasion? And fourthly as most of u are just passing time, if there is really an invasion, are all of u going to migrant out of singapore first or maybe the colonel run first??Originally posted by oldkid:1) Army boys cannot smoke in public in their No.4 and that's all I know. When i 'm in reservist now, i smoked like nobody's business in my no.4. And I think u had watched too much TV liao. If you stayed near Tanah Merah, you will know that at Tanah Merah MRT station, there's always alot of saliors from US Navy. They book out in CV (if u understand wat is CV). And some of them stink. yes they do. Cos they are human too.
2) FYI, u r correct, it is a waste but then, to some working adults, going reservist is like a holiday. And by the way, its not us who wasted the tax payers' money, i'm a tax payer too! We're merely answer the call of duty from gahmen. Think properly, US is a country that will always go to war or conflict. Sg is not.
3) What i remembered from my NSF time is that we had 4 sets of uniform, one of them will be the smartest 4. You are brownie during your ECA where you are not confined in a location for long period of time. Imagine been a brownie for 5 days straight from the moment u wake up til u sleep, Mondays to Fridays Imagine been like this for 2 yrs... for every single day (except weekends and public holidays). So for us guys, we already bo chap. Even female regulars also bo chap. I used to serve 5.5 days for 2.5 yrs.... sad.
4) I think the general public has quite a good understanding of wat the SAF is all about. And about good soldiers don't whine? I dun think so. Seen alot of high fliers whining about cookhouse food sucks.
And yes. I agree. Most if not all NSF are going through motion to complete NSF. For those garang one, they usually end up quite sad. haha
No doubt I cannot compare you all to the US army, they have the body and look smart, ours like thin thin spider wear what also no use. And i do not agree that most dun whine, we already have a whinner here and most NS boys use to whine about checking in on sunday 2359hrs while dating with me at 1900hrs, hell can't even go disco. what to do?, find ang mo lor. -
Perhaps I've mistakenly ascribed an unrealistically high level of abstraction to you. If so, I am remiss in expecting you to conclude that the problems that I have highlighted need to be addressed.Originally posted by OneWithTheForce:And Gedanken,
It sounds like you must have life fully under control, with a veritable harem of Jamie Yeo caliber ladies.
Since you sound so sophisticated, classy, intelligent and educated, perhaps you wouldn't mind showing your copious Singaporean generosity and help me become a better person, like yourself?
I mean, it's easy for everyone to be a critic.
But it takes style, class and maturity to go beyond just abusing people, and being generous with your time and knowledge, to be someone who inspires others, to be a great as you possibly can,...and you are such a person, yes?
Yours sincerely,
OWTF.
There's no need to appeal to my "Singaporean generousity" - all you needed to do was ask "What the hell do you mean by that?" if you didn't get it in the first place.
I'll preface the following by saying that I'm deliberately operating in broad strokes here - I expect that I'd lose you by getting into too much detail, and my objective is to show you the overall picture.
Your key mistake is that you're not formulating the issue in a sensible manner. Do Singaporean univeristy-educated girls in fact prefer Caucasians? What information do you have supporting this conclusion? Are you examining this issue in a rational manner?
Most importantly, are you ascribing your current situation to the correct causes?
You assume that Singaporean men are more introverted than Caucasian males. That, perhaps, could be true. However, what's to say that extraversion is proportionate to women's preferences, especially within a culture that assumes, if not encourages, a certain level of introversion? Is there such a thing as too much extraversion? All things being equal, we're likely to be talking about sum zero here.
Setting that aside for the moment, let's look at the other issues.
First, you say that Singaporeans grow up under a fair amount of parental pressure, and that Singaporean men have to perform national service. Well and good - let's take those as being facts upon the basis of their being self-evident.
Having taken them as facts, the next question is, "So what?". Regardless of the external conditions, one has internal control over whether one deals with the circumstances or implodes.
This brings up a key dimension that far exceeds the importance of extraversion/intorversion: where does your locus of control lie? Put in plain English, are you the victim of your circumstances or are you the master of your own destiny? If you are indeed the master of your own destiny, does that not give you the edge over someone who's not experienced parental pressure and the challenges of military service?
Even if you were to take a sociobiological perspective (which I don't - humans have much more control over their primal drives than this perspective suggests), one who takes control of the situation is definitely more attrctive than the sad sap who whines about the circumstances.
Now, to be fair, Americans are so "can do" it's utterly annoying, but within the current framework, it's not so much their being Caucasian that might make them attractive, it's their outlook.
Is this outlook the reflection of some cultural difference? No way. It's evident enough in history that no one culture has an exclusive franchise to the "can do" mentality; after all, would Chinese culture have expanded that much if this was the case? Would the Indians have stopped Alexander at Malli? Would Singapore not have remained a simple port?
So, we've established that internal locus of control is a much more influential factor than skin colour, and that no culture holds exclusive rights to it. It's entirely up to you.
How, I'm going to give you a modicum of respect and leave it to you to join the dots.