Behold the power of our Lord!
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A believer in an afterlife need not be a believer in a creator God or 'disbeliever-going-to-hell theory' at a same time.Originally posted by googoomuck:LetÂ’s equate an act of disbelief in a religion with accepting the terms and condition in an employment contract. If you donÂ’t accept, you donÂ’t get the job.
You accept but breach the term and conditions and youÂ’ll be shown the door. ThatÂ’s the consequence for being out of line. However, the employer may be forgiving and compassionate and let you off with a reprimand. Breach one more time and youÂ’re out.
I cannot produce evidence to convince you that a disbeliever or a transgressor goes to hell. It is also never my intention.
There are articles about near death experience that you can google if you like. ItÂ’s not the same NDP that the survivng dragon boat paddlers have experienced. They did not experience death.
The testimonies come from people who actually died momentarily in an operating table and were brought back to life by the doctors to talk about their NDP and OBE(out of body experience).
As usual, there are debunkers of NDP and there are those who debunk the debunkers of NDP. -
There is one key variable when determining whether there is true free will; Duress.Originally posted by googoomuck:LetÂ’s equate an act of disbelief in a religion with accepting the terms and condition in an employment contract. If you donÂ’t accept, you donÂ’t get the job.
You accept but breach the term and conditions and youÂ’ll be shown the door. ThatÂ’s the consequence for being out of line. However, the employer may be forgiving and compassionate and let you off with a reprimand. Breach one more time and youÂ’re out.
I cannot produce evidence to convince you that a disbeliever or a transgressor goes to hell. It is also never my intention.
There are articles about near death experience that you can google if you like. ItÂ’s not the same NDP that the survivng dragon boat paddlers have experienced. They did not experience death.
The testimonies come from people who actually died momentarily in an operating table and were brought back to life by the doctors to talk about their NDP and OBE(out of body experience).
As usual, there are debunkers of NDP and there are those who debunk the debunkers of NDP.
Duress may be physical, spiritual or emotional. The test of whether there is true free will is whether the person presenting you with the choices threatened to cause or let some harm befall you if you do not pick a choice of his desire.
I donÂ’t think the employment contract makes a good analogy. For a start, if you refuse to sign the terms, you wonÂ’t get the job, but otherwise no harm will come to you. In other words, there is no element of duress.
I will only be robbing someone of his right to free will, if (i) I present him with a choice (say whether to pledge his allegiance to me), and (ii) create or take advantage of some circumstances unfavourable to him (say, create a fire pit) and tell him that if he does not pledge his allegiance to me I will push him into the fire pit.
It is not my intention to require you to present evidence that disbelievers will go to hell. I am arguing from a doctrinal point of viewÂ… Also, please understand that I am not arguing against your religion. I am arguing against the ethical fallacy of PascalÂ’s wager. -
let's all accept the fact that religion is invented by mankind.
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So if there are 100 gods from 100 different religions, I will be going to hell anyway for believing in any single one but not the 99 others.Originally posted by googoomuck:Buddha did exist. He was a person. No need to gamble on that.
It's a better bet to act as though God exists - at no cost to the believer - since falsely believing that God exists leads to no harm whereas falsely believing that God does not exist may lead to eternal damnation.
It's like a precautionary approach in response to uncertainty. Better be safe than sorry.
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ya la...Originally posted by Nikar2:let's all accept the fact that religion is invented by mankind. -
what if you worship wrong one? i mean like a earlier post, everone thinks their god is the right one. if you do good deeds and not do harm to the others and to the society, you will be rewarded. if you do harm, even if you have faith in your god, you will not escape punishment, no matter what. sooner or later.Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:You either worship the right god and go to heaven, not worship any god and go to hell or worship the wrong god and go to hell. So if you look at it this way worshipping a god has a greater chance of getting you to heaven than not worshipping any god at all. -
Join the Church of Beltizar! You'll feel less disappointed even if you chose the wrong religion
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Some believe in the trinity.....3-in-1 god...harry and son and the holy goh.Originally posted by LBKLK:Join the Church of Beltizar! You'll feel less disappointed even if you chose the wrong religion -
The Father, the Son and the Holy Goh.Originally posted by googoomuck:Some believe in the trinity.....3-in-1 god...harry and son and the holy goh.
Indeed...non-believers shall be condemned to an eternity in Sento...I mean, Hell!